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I'm in the market for a new driver shaft. After weeks of research, I believe this shaft is the best one for me. My problem is that it's incredibly expensive so I'm looking for alternatives. Something with similar specs but more reasonably priced. Can someone steer me in the right direction?

 

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
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Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff

Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff

Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff

Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff

Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff

Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock

 

 

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Why do you think it is best for you?
I currently use the Callaway BBA dbd, set in 10* using the KURO KAGE SILVER TINI 60 stiff shaft My ball speed sits between 157-166mph. I have a negative AOA. From the research I've done, I need to get my launch angle up and my spin rate around 2500. Right now my average launch angle sits around 8-9*. If I can get my launch angle up a couple of degrees and lower my high spin rate (currently around 3600) I can add more yardage. I believe this shaft is a step in the right direction but it's way more than I can afford.

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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I'm in the market for a new driver shaft. After weeks of research, I believe this shaft is the best one for me. My problem is that it's incredibly expensive so I'm looking for alternatives. Something with similar specs but more reasonably priced. Can someone steer me in the right direction?
 
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There is a company that does tons of business with incredible positive feedback on EBay. I wrote them asking for recommendations and they sent me a list at several different price points. This list included options based on the swing characteristics and variables I presented. Each shaft they recommended I researched. I must say they were spot on. Super fast shipping as well.

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1 hour ago, mbrodeur86 said:

I currently use the Callaway BBA dbd, set in 10* using the KURO KAGE SILVER TINI 60 stiff shaft My ball speed sits between 157-166mph. I have a negative AOA. From the research I've done, I need to get my launch angle up and my spin rate around 2500. Right now my average launch angle sits around 8-9*. If I can get my launch angle up a couple of degrees and lower my high spin rate (currently around 3600) I can add more yardage. I believe this shaft is a step in the right direction but it's way more than I can afford.

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You need to change your aoa to a positive one. A shaft alone isn’t going to reduce spin by a lot or help with aoa. 

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

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Loft the club up and change aoa to see if you can bring the spin down, both of those should help. Shaft could help but won’t bring it down 1100 RPMs.

How efficiently are you hitting the ball? Do you have swing speed or efficiency rating?

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You need to change your aoa to a positive one. A shaft alone isn’t going to reduce spin by a lot or help with aoa. 
I would and have tried to fix my AOA for maybe 10 years now. I'm tired of trying to do so plus everyone says to "swing your swing" so really, which one is it? I swing this way and no matter what I've tried I can't. One thing I can do is change my equipment to compensate for my faults. So this is why I'm asking if there's alternatives

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
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Loft the club up and change aoa to see if you can bring the spin down, both of those should help. Shaft could help but won’t bring it down 1100 RPMs.

How efficiently are you hitting the ball? Do you have swing speed or efficiency rating?
Swing speed is somewhere around the 108-112 mark. Don't have the efficiency rating.

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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17 minutes ago, mbrodeur86 said:

I would and have tried to fix my AOA for maybe 10 years now. I'm tired of trying to do so plus everyone says to "swing your swing" so really, which one is it? I swing this way and no matter what I've tried I can't. One thing I can do is change my equipment to compensate for my faults. So this is why I'm asking if there's alternatives

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There’s swing your swing in that there are lots of ways to skin a cat and not create a pretty swing that doesn’t optimize results.

have you taken lessons to try and fix the swing?

theres no magic club or shaft that’s going fix swing faults. While companies like to advertise high launch/low spin there’s nothing that’s going to significantly reduce spin and add launch. The differences in launch are going to a few degrees at most and a few hundred rpm.

Having a negative aoa is going to increase spin compare to s neutral it positive aoa and a lower launch.

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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Swing speed is somewhere around the 108-112 mark. Don't have the efficiency rating.

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If we take 110 as your average, perfect efficiency gets you 165 ball speed. So you are hitting the ball almost optimally and transferring the energy to the ball.

You can be successful with a negative angle if attack but you didn’t specify how much down you are.

I don’t personally think the shaft is your answer. Either lift up or get a newer low spin head.
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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* with UST Proforce V2
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :srixon-small: 765 6-AW with KBS Tour shafts
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
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I really like this shaft as well, but ended up with a different on at a recent fitting.  I've also found that I had a negative AoA, but found I made a few errors.  For me, the ball was not as far forward on my driver with my stance as I thought it was and I would tee the ball lower than what was correct.  By just moving these small things I was able to assist with my AoA.  

With all that said, I have similar swing speed to you and I've always done the best with tip stiff shafts.  If you haven't tried the Aldila Rogue 125, those can be found for much cheaper.  Also the Proforce V2 is always a good option.  If interested the shaft I was fit into can be found below in my signature and it's very stable.

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Driver:  image.png.3c6db1120d888f669e07d4a8f890b3f1.pngMavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X

3 Wood: :titelist-small: 917F2 Fujikura Pro 84 Tour Spec S

3 Hybrid: :titelist-small: 818 H2 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X

Irons 4-PW: :mizuno-small: MP 18 SC Dynamic Gold AMT X

Gap/Sand Wedge:  :titelist-small: Vokey SM6 49*  SM8 54* 

Lob Wedge:  :titelist-small: Vokey SM6 58* Nippon Modus Wedge

Putter:  image.png.cca2328f4144a299c795aa9b8f3bf677.png Inovai 6.0              :scotty-small: Pro Platinum Newport 2 35"  

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I currently use the Callaway BBA dbd, set in 10* using the KURO KAGE SILVER TINI 60 stiff shaft My ball speed sits between 157-166mph. I have a negative AOA. From the research I've done, I need to get my launch angle up and my spin rate around 2500. Right now my average launch angle sits around 8-9*. If I can get my launch angle up a couple of degrees and lower my high spin rate (currently around 3600) I can add more yardage. I believe this shaft is a step in the right direction but it's way more than I can afford.  

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One thing to note is that the Kuro Kage Silver TiNi is not a counterbalanced shaft, so if you switch to an AD-IZ, you’re going to have a feel difference. I had the same Kuro Kage shaft, 70X, in last year’s Mizuno driver and it felt VERY head-heavy. A counterbalanced shaft won’t. Anyway. Good luck!

 

 

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Hybrid: :callaway-small: X2 Hot Pro, 20*, :Fuji: Rombax 8D07HB TM27 X

Irons: :srixon-small: Z585 4/5 iron, Z785 6-PW, :Nippon:Modus 120X

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On 3/4/2019 at 10:03 AM, mbrodeur86 said:

I would and have tried to fix my AOA for maybe 10 years now. I'm tired of trying to do so plus everyone says to "swing your swing" so really, which one is it? I swing this way and no matter what I've tried I can't. One thing I can do is change my equipment to compensate for my faults. So this is why I'm asking if there's alternatives

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As others have said, a shaft alone won't fix your problem but it may help.  The only thing that will fix your launch angle is lofting up (which will increase spin) or swinging to at least a flat AoA.  A drill that really helped me was placing a second ball on the ground about 6" in front of a teed ball.  Also, where do you place the ball in your stance with the driver?  I always thought I was on the inside of my heel, but video showed I was about 2" towards the center from my heel.  Moved the ball to my heel and it became much easier to hit the driver with a flat to + AoA.

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Callaway X Forged UT 19.5 - Aldila Rogue Black 105 TX
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FORUM TESTING /// Sub 70 Golf 699 Pro 4-P - KBS Tour X
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As others have said, a shaft alone won't fix your problem but it may help.  The only thing that will fix your launch angle is lofting up (which will increase spin) or swinging to at least a flat AoA.  A drill that really helped me was placing a second ball on the ground about 6" in front of a teed ball.  Also, where do you place the ball in your stance with the driver?  I always thought I was on the inside of my heel, but video showed I was about 2" towards the center from my heel.  Moved the ball to my heel and it became much easier to hit the driver with a flat to + AoA.
I've tried moving the ball up to a point where it was literally in front of my left foot and still came down on it lol

But seriously, a shaft can lower spin rate somewhat. I've seen enough videos to show this.

I actually was recommended the Cobra f8+ or Mizuno ST180 for a driver head and the Accra TZ6M4 for a shaft by a club fitter online (of course he had the same numbers I gave you all here and never saw me swing) so in his opinion he figured this might be a good combo.

I'm also debating going into x stiff. I've heard and seen good things with people putting up similar numbers to me and doing this. Even the truefit system recommended the Titleist 917 D3 with Aldila Rogue M*ax 65 in X-stiff.

Lastly, and believe me when I say this, I would love nothing more than to go see a fitter and get fit. There is literally NO ONE anywhere close to where I live that does this. I really pay attention to my swing, get as much information as I can and study hard all aspects of clubs that would be good for me. No one knows how much I love this. If I could, I would make it a career. In my corner of the world, it wouldn't work.

I do appreciate everyone's input here. If you have any other information/opinions I definitely read everything you post and appreciate it.

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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I read on the golfshaftreview.info website the following, "... From a profile perspective these are two entirely different designs. However this search lead me to the Graphite Design YS-Six Reloaded, a $100 shaft that from a profile perspective a dead match to the IZ." 

 

 

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What ball  were you hitting during your testing? If it's that chrome soft they spin quite a bit. Might look also at replacing that. Food for thought. 

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I might be making the switch to TP5x. Even though I want to get that spin rate down I do not want to sacrifice spin on the greens.

I'm considering the TP5x because it actually feels great and had loads of distance. Plus, I actually got my 1st hole in one testing one out lol. 4 iron from 202 yards (I was on an HD golf machine but it still counts lol)

What ball  were you hitting during your testing? If it's that chrome soft they spin quite a bit. Might look also at replacing that. Food for thought. 


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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
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I read on the golfshaftreview.info website the following, "... From a profile perspective these are two entirely different designs. However this search lead me to the Graphite Design YS-Six Reloaded, a $100 shaft that from a profile perspective a dead match to the IZ." 
 
 
Dude, you just gave me my homework for the weekend lol. I've literally never heard of this site so I'm going to be researching there. God I just love this forum! It's great to be back!

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
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Are you opposed to a used pull instead of buying a new one?  I'm weary of ebay, but I usually end up finding what I'm looking for between here and the classified section over on golfwrx

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3w: :taylormade-small:'16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82

5w: :cleveland-small: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow

Hybrid: :cleveland-small: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black

Irons: :ping-small: 5i-UW G700 w/ X100 soft stepped once

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I'm the king of used equipment lol. That's all I use. I can't afford to buy new it's 2 expensive and add the fees and balls and clothes .... It never stops so yes I would buy used in a heartbeat.

Are you opposed to a used pull instead of buying a new one?  I'm weary of ebay, but I usually end up finding what I'm looking for between here and the classified section over on golfwrx


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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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