Stephen1125 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I like a line on my ball. Vice actually prints a nice line on their balls. I've been using the Pro+ lately and love it Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk Quote Driver: Taylormade M3 440cc 9* 45.25" Diamana D+ 70 x-flex 3w - Taylormade RBZ stage 2 tour 14.5* Fujikura 70 s-flex std length Hybrid - Mizuno JPX 850 s-flex std length. Irons: Nike VR Forged Pro Combo 4-PW. Project X 6.5 flighted shafts ⅜" gapping. 39.25" 5 iron 2* upright Wedges- Titlist Vokey SM6 51*, 55*, 59* 2* upright Putter - Machine M10 adjuster, no sight line. 35.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonks Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I'm the opposite. I like to see nothing so I turn the ball when putting so it's a clean area I look at. Anything else is just distracting.I'm with you, last thing I need before a shot or putt is the thought "what if I lined it up wrong." I have a habit of thinking too much before I make a stroke as it is. Driver: TS2 9.5 stiff3 Wood: 915 F stiff3 Hybrid: 915 HD4-PW: 710 AP2 Wedges: 50, 56, 60 Vokey SM6Putter: Scotty Cameron Select Newport M1 perseveringgolfer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Bonks said: I'm with you, last thing I need before a shot or putt is the thought "what if I lined it up wrong." I have a habit of thinking too much before I make a stroke as it is. Driver: TS2 9.5 stiff 3 Wood: 915 F stiff 3 Hybrid: 915 HD 4-PW: 710 AP2 Wedges: 50, 56, 60 Vokey SM6 Putter: Scotty Cameron Select Newport M1 I find the line on the ball discussion interesting. Everyone is different, and you have to go with what's comfortable for you. I like the line, but my wife doesn't. I'm a better putter than she is, so obviously I think she should use the line, and that's when the argument starts!! lol As I've said previously, I need the line because I am not looking at the ball when I make a stroke. I line up the ball to my intended line and align my putter to the line on the ball. At that point I forget about whether or not "I lined it up wrong". It is what it is. My focus is purely on the speed of the putt I've chosen for the line I selected. For those that don't use a line, I have to ask... OK, without a line you are not second guessing your alignment, but how do you know that you have set up square to the ball and strike the ball on a line to the hole that you think you should be using? How can you be sure that you are doing the same thing for every putt? I'm curious because my wife quit answering questions about her putting. ward and palvord 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, Kenny B said: I find the line on the ball discussion interesting. Everyone is different, and you have to go with what's comfortable for you. I like the line, but my wife doesn't. I'm a better putter than she is, so obviously I think she should use the line, and that's when the argument starts!! lol As I've said previously, I need the line because I am not looking at the ball when I make a stroke. I line up the ball to my intended line and align my putter to the line on the ball. At that point I forget about whether or not "I lined it up wrong". It is what it is. My focus is purely on the speed of the putt I've chosen for the line I selected. For those that don't use a line, I have to ask... OK, without a line you are not second guessing your alignment, but how do you know that you have set up square to the ball and strike the ball on a line to the hole that you think you should be using? How can you be sure that you are doing the same thing for every putt? I'm curious because my wife quit answering questions about her putting. Fair question, and I don't have a great answer. I guess that through experience and practice I have learned to line myself up with my intended starting line. I do this much the same way I line myself up on any other shot in golf, I select the line, I set the club down perpendicular to the line, and i move my feet into position. I don't use an intermediate target either, I just do my best to set my putter perpendicular to the intended start line. I check it a couple of times with quick looks at a point about hole-high and on that start line (might even call it an aimpoint), to help reinforce the right distance feel, and take my stroke, hopefully back and forward along that same start line (OK, a slight arc, but tangent to the line at impact). And unlike @Kenny B, I try to keep my focus on the ball as I make the stroke, in order to keep my body still. I've found that if I follow the putterhead with my eyes, my body will move just a little, and my start line becomes erratic. In my opinion, I just think its difficult to set a line that's only 1.6 inches long accurately enough. If you're off by only 1/16" front to back (that's -1/32 at the front, -1/32 at the back), you end up being off by almost 4 inches at 10 feet. You only have 2 inches each side of center to play with. Not to mention, you have to have the line directly on top of the ball, and your eyes directly over the ball, or else you're looking at a curve, not a line. For those who are helped by the line, great. Its just not my choice. Kenny B 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 41 minutes ago, Kenny B said: For those that don't use a line, I have to ask... OK, without a line you are not second guessing your alignment, but how do you know that you have set up square to the ball and strike the ball on a line to the hole that you think you should be using? How can you be sure that you are doing the same thing for every putt? I'm curious because my wife quit answering questions about her putting. I go back and forth whether I'm using the line or not. I really don't see significant differences in my putting when I do and when I don't. But, it does make my ball easier to identify in the fairway (or more commonly, the rough). When not using a line, and even when using the line, I use the aim line and markings on my putter to square the ball to my intended line by picking out a spot directly in front of the ball on my intended line. I try to pick a very small point a couple of inches in front of the ball then feel as if the putter face passes over that point through impact. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lef2wander Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 3/6/2019 at 4:30 AM, perseveringgolfer said: I'm the opposite. I like to see nothing so I turn the ball when putting so it's a clean area I look at. Anything else is just distracting. Me too I turn the ball, when i look down nothing but white. The line isn't useful, if you don't read the line of the putt correctly. It does cause a lot if fiddling lineing it up to what you precieve. Or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonks Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I find the line on the ball discussion interesting. Everyone is different, and you have to go with what's comfortable for you. I like the line, but my wife doesn't. I'm a better putter than she is, so obviously I think she should use the line, and that's when the argument starts!! lol As I've said previously, I need the line because I am not looking at the ball when I make a stroke. I line up the ball to my intended line and align my putter to the line on the ball. At that point I forget about whether or not "I lined it up wrong". It is what it is. My focus is purely on the speed of the putt I've chosen for the line I selected. For those that don't use a line, I have to ask... OK, without a line you are not second guessing your alignment, but how do you know that you have set up square to the ball and strike the ball on a line to the hole that you think you should be using? How can you be sure that you are doing the same thing for every putt? I'm curious because my wife quit answering questions about her putting.There really isn't a good answer I can give lol. I trust that I've lined it up correctly and make a good stroke. I know for myself, aim isn't as big of a problem as tempo is 95% of the time. I'd also leave the wife's putting alone if I were you lol. Driver: TS2 9.5 stiff3 Wood: 915 F stiff3 Hybrid: 915 HD4-PW: 710 AP2 Wedges: 50, 56, 60 Vokey SM6Putter: Scotty Cameron Select Newport M1 Kenny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, DaveP043 said: Fair question, and I don't have a great answer. I guess that through experience and practice I have learned to line myself up with my intended starting line. I do this much the same way I line myself up on any other shot in golf, I select the line, I set the club down perpendicular to the line, and i move my feet into position. I don't use an intermediate target either, I just do my best to set my putter perpendicular to the intended start line. I check it a couple of times with quick looks at a point about hole-high and on that start line (might even call it an aimpoint), to help reinforce the right distance feel, and take my stroke, hopefully back and forward along that same start line (OK, a slight arc, but tangent to the line at impact). And unlike @Kenny B, I try to keep my focus on the ball as I make the stroke, in order to keep my body still. I've found that if I follow the putterhead with my eyes, my body will move just a little, and my start line becomes erratic. In my opinion, I just think its difficult to set a line that's only 1.6 inches long accurately enough. If you're off by only 1/16" front to back (that's -1/32 at the front, -1/32 at the back), you end up being off by almost 4 inches at 10 feet. You only have 2 inches each side of center to play with. Not to mention, you have to have the line directly on top of the ball, and your eyes directly over the ball, or else you're looking at a curve, not a line. For those who are helped by the line, great. Its just not my choice. This was the main reason I quit looking at the ball. I was a terrible putter; anything would probably help!! I figured out that when I looked at the ball, I could not get a feel for the speed of the putt, but more importantly my head moved because I would look up too quickly to see the result. Couldn't break that habit. As far as the 1.6 inch line, I think I can line it up just as accurately as anyone can line up a putt with no reference whether there is a line on the putter or not. I also use a reference line to ensure my putter is perpendicular to the line on the ball. As I was writing this, I was trying to think of any pro that doesn't line up the ball, but maybe I am only focused on those that do. I will be more cognizant of this in future tournaments. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I'm kind of surprised that nobody has linked this particular study https://mygolfspy.com/mgs-labs-line-vs-no-line/ tony@CIC 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: I'm kind of surprised that nobody has linked this particular study https://mygolfspy.com/mgs-labs-line-vs-no-line/ I made the same comments on the test as I do now. To me, I would not be able to draw the same conclusion as MGS did. The tester information is not provided. Do all of the testers use a line normally? Do all of the testers never use a line normally? Was it 5 vs 5? Was the Ping Cadence TR Ketch the normal putter for any of them? Do the testers normally use a mallet putter or face-balanced putter? Does their normal putter have lines? Do the results for each distance for each tester correlate with their normal putting performance using their normal putter? That is, were all testers good putters that can read greens or were some testers green-reading challenged? I'm not saying that the results are incorrect; I'm saying that I would like more information before making that conclusion. tony@CIC 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 On 3/5/2019 at 10:05 PM, mackdaddy said: Having a bad knee has made using a line nearly impossible. I can't get into a squat and line the line up for the putt. I did for years. Now that I have stopped using the line I have changed my putting style. I read my putts by going to the low point on the line and looking back to find the point on the cup where the ball has to enter. I look at that spot and gage how high above that line I have to aim for the ball to enter at my spot. Then I stroke the putt. I make way more putts now than I did when I putted with a line. I hope there aren’t any teenagers here, they may not be able to read this. GB13 and tony@CIC 1 1 Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wipierce Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 I use different tools to get a straight line. Helps with alignment for certain. Sent using the MyGolfSpy mobile app tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: i20 8.5*, Project X Blue, stiff Fairway Woods: r9 3W 15*, r9 5W 19* Fujikura Motore 70 stiff Irons: i210's 4-UW Wedges: Glide 2.0 55* MD3 Milled S Grind 60* Putter: B60i Isopur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 I use three parallel lines (like the new Callaway concept). One line is a bit difficult for me to line up properly, but the three help me pretty well. Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ward Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) I use a line for putting alignment. With the Taylormade Spider Tour III which has no alignment line on the top of the putter head, it works good for me. Second, for establishing a reference point with the driver (or 3-wood/hybrid/irons) off the tee. It gives my left eye something to focus on for squaring the club face at impact. Works good for me. Edited June 7, 2019 by ward Kenny B 1 Quote ~ ward ~ Driver: Callaway B21 9.5 Degrees. Graphite Design XC6 S Flex 43.5" Length. Golf Pride CP2 MidSize Wrap / 3-Wood: Cobra F7 @ 16 Degrees / Aldila MSI 95 70g 3.3 Stiff. Golf Pride CP2 MidSize Wrap / Hybrid: Callway BB Alpha 815 @ 20 Degrees / Speeder 865 Shaft / Irons: Srixon z785. Modus NS Pro 120 (Stiff). Golf Pride CP2 MidSize Wrap / Wedges: Titleist Vokey - SM5 F Grind 50 degree (-1 degree) 08 Degrees of Bounce (-1 degree), SM5 S Grind 54 degree (-1 degree) 10 Degrees of Bounce, SM5 M Grind 58 degree 08 Degrees of Bounce. Golf Pride CP2 MidSize Wrap. Putter: Odyssey. Golf Ball: Srixon Z Star. Cart Bag: Sun Mountain C130. Carry Bag: Big Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomkgolf Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 I used to do this often but recently stopped and just place the ball writing down. Previously I would line the ball of and then once I stood up it looked like it was going 2 cups to the side of the hole on a straight putt so it kind of messed with me a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynogriffin Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 12:56 PM, Tomkgolf said: I used to do this often but recently stopped and just place the ball writing down. Previously I would line the ball of and then once I stood up it looked like it was going 2 cups to the side of the hole on a straight putt so it kind of messed with me a bit I agree. I tried a few rounds using the line on the ball and my putts per round went up, not good. After lining the ball up (if I could get it lined up without the ball rolling over or shifting and moving the line), it always looked off after I stood over it. I was finding it hard to commit to the line and when I did, it definitely didn't help. I have much less putts per round when I don't use the line and when I do it just slows down my round and negatively affects my game. That's just me though. I feel like a lot of my green-reading comes from reading the green at a distance behind the ball and then confirmed once I set up to the ball and can feel the slope with my feet. Sometimes what I lined up with the line would disagree with what I was feeling/seeing once I was over the ball. Quote In the Bag: Driver: Callaway Rogue 9° (Project X Hazardous Yellow 76g 6.0 Stiff Flex) 3 Wood: Callaway Diablo Edge Tour 15° (Stiff Flex) Hybrid: Titleist 816 H2 19° (Fujikura Motore Tour Spec Stiff Flex) Irons: Ping i E1 4i-UW (Ping CFS Stiff Flex) Wedges: Mizuno T7 54°/9°; Cleveland RTX 3 58°/8° Putter: Odyssey O-Works Versa #7 (33", Super Stroke Pistol GT) Ball: Srixon Z-Star Other: Shot Scope V2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoverRick Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I don’t use a line. I don’t even look at the ball.. I focus on the putter face and the speed. The ball is just in the way. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Quote G430LST 10.5° on T P T POWER 18 Hi Driver G430MAX 3w on T P T POWER 18 Hi Fairway G425 3H on T P T POWER 18 Hi Hybrid P790 Black 4-A on TGI 80S ES21 54-8° & 58-12° on Hi Rev DF2.1 on White ProV1 Precision Pro NX7 Pro All Iron grips are BestGrips Micro-Perforated Mid Driver, 3w, 3H are JumboMax JMX UltraLite XS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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