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I'm thinking about changing putters as you may know.  I have a Scotty Del Mar and love the shape and look of it but I am thinking about Evnroll or Bettinardi.  I just had a driver fitting two weeks ago and understand swing speed and flex and kick points in shafts etc so I see the benefit there...will a putter fitting change much or do you feel that putters are just unique to individuals.  If one likes the look of a putter use that?  Would love to hear your opinions on this.


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I just went through Club Champion's SAM putter fitting (as part of a total bag fitting) and was really impressed with what it showed me.  You putt 7 putts with your putter hooked up to the SAM unit and it does a computer rendition showing your impact and stroke characteristics.  It reveals your tendencies then shows you why you did it.  In my case, I tend to miss right and the computer reveal my arc stroke and that I wasn't completely returning the clubface square at impact, leaving it very slightly open, and hence burning the right edge.  It also shows the consistency of your stroke and your impact position on the face.  It's truly an eye opening experience.  For me, I have been using the correct "style" putter but could use a touch more loft (easily fixed) and perhaps a tiny bit more toe hang for better rotation.  My stroke was also a bit inconsistent -- not bad, but visible.  The final verdict was that my putter was fine (I was using a Taylor Made Spider with toe hang).  The fitter had me try a few different style toe hang putters, but nothing really seemed to alter things much.  I asked him about the new Odyssey Stroke Lab putters and the Stability shaft.  He gave me a demo club with the stability shaft in it and an identical one without the shaft and I stroked both of them.  The Stability shaft was somewhat heavier, but I didn't feel anything significant that might improve my stroke.  He then handed me an Odyssey Stroke Lab Seven putter, which is very close to the putter I'm currently using as far as toe hang and design.  I started draining putts and the stroke felt much smoother than my previous putter.  Although the fitter had recommended that staying with my putter was perfectly acceptable (after he adjusted the loft), I really liked the Odyssey and decided to purchase it, taking the one he tweaked to my needs right off the wall.

Bottom line is that your choice of putter style (face balanced or toe hang) is a function of your stroke and you will definitely do better with one style or the other.  A putter fitting will nail down detail over that to help you determine what's the best length, how much loft you need, how much toe hang you need, and how much lie you need.  I thought it was well worth it for me.  As far as the look of the putter, that is also a factor, but if it still needs to fit your stroke.

JMI, your mileage may vary.  🙂

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It is probably the most important fitting after a driver fitting

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56 minutes ago, ballplayer002003 said:

I'm thinking about changing putters as you may know.  I have a Scotty Del Mar and love the shape and look of it but I am thinking about Evnroll or Bettinardi.  I just had a driver fitting two weeks ago and understand swing speed and flex and kick points in shafts etc so I see the benefit there...will a putter fitting change much or do you feel that putters are just unique to individuals.  If one likes the look of a putter use that?  Would love to hear your opinions on this.

It depends on how detailed the fitting is IMO. I've never done one personally because no one within reasonable driving distance offers the tools or variety of putter brands to even be worth considering. What I did do, and recommend if possible, is demo a putter on the course as often as you can. Experiment with different lengths, heads, necks, grips, etc. with little regard to what the putter might say about your game, your attitude, or your pocketbook. That said, my current gamer works very well for me, and I don't see myself getting rid of it anytime soon, but I doubt if I would have been "fit" for it at a reputable and properly equipped fitter.

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1 hour ago, ballplayer002003 said:

I'm thinking about changing putters as you may know.  I have a Scotty Del Mar and love the shape and look of it but I am thinking about Evnroll or Bettinardi.  I just had a driver fitting two weeks ago and understand swing speed and flex and kick points in shafts etc so I see the benefit there...will a putter fitting change much or do you feel that putters are just unique to individuals.  If one likes the look of a putter use that?  Would love to hear your opinions on this.

I had never really been fit for a putter until a couple years ago. I bought a putter just like Phil's about 3 years ago and it was not for me or my swing arc, thankfully I had a 90-day play guarantee that I was able to take advantage of. About 1 year later I found myself in Carlsbad, CA...the golf Meca, and I hooked up with the :EVNROLL: guys for a fitting and I've never had more confidence in my putting than I do now. I'm pretty sure you can contact :EVNROLL: and find out where your closest fitter would be. But, yes, I highly recommend a putter fitting.

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1 hour ago, jlukes said:

It is probably the most important fitting after a driver fitting

I know the putter is the most important club in my bag and I understand driver kick points and shaft flex and launch angles etc...but what is the biggest reason why I should get fitted for a putter?   


Driver:  :callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero Hzdrs Smoke x flex 70g

3 Wood:  :titelist-small: 917 w/ Diamana Whiteboard stiff

5 Wood : :callaway-small: Epic Flash 18* Hzdrs Smoke stiff

4 Hybrid: :callaway-small:  Apex w/Kuro Kage stiff

Irons:  5-PW :mizuno-small: JPX 900 Forged w/ Modus 120 xstiff

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1 minute ago, ballplayer002003 said:

I know the putter is the most important club in my bag and I understand driver kick points and shaft flex and launch angles etc...but what is the biggest reason why I should get fitted for a putter?   

Are you playing the correct putter loft that allows you to put the proper forward roll on the ball to avoid skidding or hopping?

Are you playing that correct lie angle putter that allows you to start the ball on line

Are you playing the correct putter length and grip that allow you to make a consistent stroke?

Is there a putter style and alignment aid system that helps you line up correctly more often than not?

Is there a putter head style that matches your putting stroke, which allows you to deliver the head square more often than not?

 

All of those things would be addressed in a good putter fitting.

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I had a putter fitting at Club Champion in Orlando late December and it was eye opening.  I really learned a lot about my stroke and why I tend to miss putts on the left side.  I was using a face balanced putter and a putter with more toe hang was much better fit for me.  Also needed very low loft and some lie adjustments.  It was money well spent.  I'd highly recommend it.  The SAM putter system is really good.  

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I don't know that I agree with the notion that putter is the most important club in the bag but it could easily be the most important club to have properly fit.  Lots of strokes to be gained with a putter fitting.   I had one seven or eight years ago - it was an eye opener and that was just taking my putter at the time (which happened to be the proper type for my stroke) and having it tweaked based on the fitting.  My EVNRoll was built based upon the specs from that fitting and the thing feels as if it was made for me and me only.

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IMO it’s the most important fitting you can do. Most of your shots are with the putter why wouldn’t you want it to be fit to you?


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9 hours ago, ballplayer002003 said:

I'm thinking about changing putters as you may know.  I have a Scotty Del Mar and love the shape and look of it but I am thinking about Evnroll or Bettinardi.  I just had a driver fitting two weeks ago and understand swing speed and flex and kick points in shafts etc so I see the benefit there...will a putter fitting change much or do you feel that putters are just unique to individuals.  If one likes the look of a putter use that?  Would love to hear your opinions on this.

 

You didn't say why you're thinking of changing. Are you a good putter? Is putting a problem in your game? Do you just like switching putters often? Lots of folks do. Personally, a putter fitting isn't; nor will it be a game changer unless your putter is all out of whack or something to begin with.Then by all means get it fixed! If you already consider yourself a good putter (and you know if you are or not) then don't expect much. I seen so many guys that are not good putters go through a fitting and spend their money on an expensive putter only to return to the course and still putt poorly. Why is that? Well, some people just aren't good putters. Most make a poor stroke. That's it. I am a good putter if nothing else. A few years I went and bought an expensive custom built and fit putter because I thought I had to have it.  Did I get even better? Nope. Golf is full of hype and such. If you're not a good putter you'd probably be better served taking some putting lessons... and using a good quality putter.

 


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Best move I have ever made in terms of equipment was to find a club fitter who I trusted. He also happens to be my coach who has given me lessons so he really knows my strengths and weaknesses so his suggestions and recommendations were very informed and helpful for me.

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Got to! Every club in the bag, ESPECIALLY the one we use almost twice EVERY HOLE!


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I would definitely say do it! I have been fit on a SAM lab as well and the results were interesting. I have always used plumbers neck blades and the SAM lab suggested that I use something with more toe hang. I tried a few flow necks and it did improve my putting but I didn't like the way they looked. I finally settled on an Machine M10 with a shorter plumbers neck that give me more toe hang. 

If you don't do a full fitting than you need to at a minimum get the lie angle set correctly for your stance and set up. The wrong Lie angle can lead to streaky putting. I play with a guy who's putter was very toe up. His putting was really streaky, he either had it or he didn't and there was no in between. I suggested he get his putter bent flat and after he did (4* flat mind you!). His consistency has increases substantially! His best putting days got slightly better but his worst putting days are far better than they used to be. 

I think that's the main goal of fittings. No so much to make your best shots better but to decrease your misses and make them more playable. 

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11 hours ago, PlaidJacket said:

 

You didn't say why you're thinking of changing. Are you a good putter? Is putting a problem in your game? Do you just like switching putters often? Lots of folks do. Personally, a putter fitting isn't; nor will it be a game changer unless your putter is all out of whack or something to begin with.Then by all means get it fixed! If you already consider yourself a good putter (and you know if you are or not) then don't expect much. I seen so many guys that are not good putters go through a fitting and spend their money on an expensive putter only to return to the course and still putt poorly. Why is that? Well, some people just aren't good putters. Most make a poor stroke. That's it. I am a good putter if nothing else. A few years I went and bought an expensive custom built and fit putter because I thought I had to have it.  Did I get even better? Nope. Golf is full of hype and such. If you're not a good putter you'd probably be better served taking some putting lessons... and using a good quality putter.

 

That's exactly what I am saying.  I average 31 putts per round.  Not the best but not the worst either.  The reason why I am thinking about it, is because of like you said...probably the hype.  I have been fit for irons, and drivers, but never a putter.  I have just always picked one up that I like the feel and the look of and just used it.  Is it the right one for me?  Who knows.  Tiger has been using that same putter since her was in jr golf, was he fitted for it...probably not, not way back then.  He just uses it and it works.  Now, I am no Tiger but I also don't know any better.  So I am just unsure it I should schedule one and get everything adjusted or if I should just continue to use the one I have and work more on my stroke (I should do this anyway).  


Driver:  :callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero Hzdrs Smoke x flex 70g

3 Wood:  :titelist-small: 917 w/ Diamana Whiteboard stiff

5 Wood : :callaway-small: Epic Flash 18* Hzdrs Smoke stiff

4 Hybrid: :callaway-small:  Apex w/Kuro Kage stiff

Irons:  5-PW :mizuno-small: JPX 900 Forged w/ Modus 120 xstiff

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7 hours ago, Stephen1125 said:

I would definitely say do it! I have been fit on a SAM lab as well and the results were interesting. I have always used plumbers neck blades and the SAM lab suggested that I use something with more toe hang. I tried a few flow necks and it did improve my putting but I didn't like the way they looked. I finally settled on an Machine M10 with a shorter plumbers neck that give me more toe hang. 

If you don't do a full fitting than you need to at a minimum get the lie angle set correctly for your stance and set up. The wrong Lie angle can lead to streaky putting. I play with a guy who's putter was very toe up. His putting was really streaky, he either had it or he didn't and there was no in between. I suggested he get his putter bent flat and after he did (4* flat mind you!). His consistency has increases substantially! His best putting days got slightly better but his worst putting days are far better than they used to be. 

I think that's the main goal of fittings. No so much to make your best shots better but to decrease your misses and make them more playable. 

I like that!  I too feel l want to make my misses smaller.  That is the goal!


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3 Wood:  :titelist-small: 917 w/ Diamana Whiteboard stiff

5 Wood : :callaway-small: Epic Flash 18* Hzdrs Smoke stiff

4 Hybrid: :callaway-small:  Apex w/Kuro Kage stiff

Irons:  5-PW :mizuno-small: JPX 900 Forged w/ Modus 120 xstiff

Wedges:   :titelist-small: SM6 56* F grind, 52* M grind

Putter:  :bettinardi-1: Studio Stock #3

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9 hours ago, PMookie said:

Got to! Every club in the bag, ESPECIALLY the one we use almost twice EVERY HOLE!


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I've done driver and irons.  Never have I done the putter, wedges or hybrids.  I have always used the same standard set of wedge lofts, 52, 56, 60.  I know I should with these too but there are no places that are close to me that offer trackman fittings.  I think I am ready to really take my game to the next level and would like to get my handicap down under 5 this year, and I know I have to change some things up a bit.  This is the start I guess.

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3 Wood:  :titelist-small: 917 w/ Diamana Whiteboard stiff

5 Wood : :callaway-small: Epic Flash 18* Hzdrs Smoke stiff

4 Hybrid: :callaway-small:  Apex w/Kuro Kage stiff

Irons:  5-PW :mizuno-small: JPX 900 Forged w/ Modus 120 xstiff

Wedges:   :titelist-small: SM6 56* F grind, 52* M grind

Putter:  :bettinardi-1: Studio Stock #3

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12 hours ago, KCLeo12 said:

IMO it’s the most important fitting you can do. Most of your shots are with the putter why wouldn’t you want it to be fit to you?


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I couldn't agree more, but will I see that big of an improvement.  With drivers you can see HUGE differences in distance, trajectory, spin etc, what will I see with the putter?  Just asking because I just don't know, what I don't know.

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Driver:  :callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero Hzdrs Smoke x flex 70g

3 Wood:  :titelist-small: 917 w/ Diamana Whiteboard stiff

5 Wood : :callaway-small: Epic Flash 18* Hzdrs Smoke stiff

4 Hybrid: :callaway-small:  Apex w/Kuro Kage stiff

Irons:  5-PW :mizuno-small: JPX 900 Forged w/ Modus 120 xstiff

Wedges:   :titelist-small: SM6 56* F grind, 52* M grind

Putter:  :bettinardi-1: Studio Stock #3

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I couldn't agree more, but will I see that big of an improvement.  With drivers you can see HUGE differences in distance, trajectory, spin etc, what will I see with the putter?  Just asking because I just don't know, what I don't know.
Maybe!
Seriously an off the rack putter can either be a poor fit for stroke, aim, or both. Edel tries to fit for aim, Ping and others try to fit for stroke, no one really can fit for green reading tendencies and how you see putts so there's a lot of potential variables in the "why am I missing putts" conundrum. Getting a proper fit at least starts to eliminate variables.

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23 minutes ago, ballplayer002003 said:

I couldn't agree more, but will I see that big of an improvement.  With drivers you can see HUGE differences in distance, trajectory, spin etc, what will I see with the putter?  Just asking because I just don't know, what I don't know.

Well for me, when I did the putter fitting, I knew I was getting some back spin on my putts, especially on longer putts. This is obviously not something we want. So for me the fitting was about equipment but it was also about technique. My fitter suggested something with some slight toe hang because I do have a small natural arc in my stroke. He was also able to tell me I was setting the ball up too far back in my stance so I was hitting down on the ball causing some of the back spin issue. I also needed to step back from the ball slightly because I was hitting with an inside out stroke angle, leaving the face slightly open at contact, causing some right path drift of the ball. So the fitting for me did more than just suggest the best putter for me. It gave me some tweaks to my technique to practice that should all make a measurable difference. 

So when I say get fit, I mean to find someone you can have a real conversation about your game and who actually wants to see you improve and enjoy the game more. Not just sell you equipment. If they are just in it to sell you equipment, they won't be honest with you, nor will they put real effort into fitting you properly and explaining why they are making a certain equipment suggestion. 

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