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First range session with the Prowler VT irons - I could definitely see these in the bag this year. 

Admittedly plenty of winter time rust, but despite their blade-ishness, the VT's are pretty easy to launch and, if you're able, to hit high or low on demand (I pulled it off about 70% of the time -- or maybe 65). I can't fade or draw on demand reliably - so "working" the ball remains a theoretical part of my game, but nearly all my well struck shots were a nice, tightly little draw. The long irons (set is 4-PW) were easy to launch high or low, and seemed to have some nice distance to them (it's winter, Sagamore Golf Center has seriously beat up range balls) - at least impact felt good, like the ball would be going somewhere if it was spring or summer and balls weren't cold.

The VT's are a hollow-body iron - the face is forged and the head is hollow cast. The knock on clubs like this is a harsh sound/feel (Ping G700, for example), but with the cold and the crappy range balls it's really hard to tell, other than for today anyway the sound and feel was well within what  you'd consider acceptable. 

I kind of like the KBS Tour V shaft, too -- for today anyway. Lower flight and lower spin than the KBS Tour - and a little lighter than the C Taper. Seemed to work well for today on the range in the winter in New Hampshire hitting crappy range balls off a well worn mat. 

 

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...can't get over how nice and sleek these look. Classic with excellent lines!

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Those do look mighty good. Very MP-33 ish.

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Now those VT’s are just about the sweetest irons I have ever seen.


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[mention=68812]Golfspy[/mention] Barbajo

 

Where did you buy your VT’s? Did you order direct from their website or are they starting to be stocked by other retailers both online and brick and mortar?

 

 

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I kind of like the KBS Tour V shaft, too -- for today anyway. Lower flight and lower spin than the KBS Tour - and a little lighter than the C Taper. Seemed to work well for today on the range in the winter in New Hampshire hitting crappy range balls off a well worn mat. 
 
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I’m surprised that they were lower launching than the KBS Tour. Typically those Tour-Vs launch pretty easy but keeping the low spin.


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Do the VT’s have a foam/poly fill?

the black cats in satin look remarkably similar the the sub70 699’s...

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17 hours ago, Sluggo42 said:

Do the VT’s have a foam/poly fill?

the black cats in satin look remarkably similar the the sub70 699’s...

VT's are hollow body construction - no fill.  

The Black Cat has a polymer fill - and does resemble the Sub70, as well as the PING G700, which is hollow but similar in appearance, and the TaylorMade P790, which has the much-ballyhooed Speed Foam, and the PXG whatever it is, which led to a series of lawsuits between TM and PXG. 

Can't speak for Jason and Sub70 (met him once - he's a really good guy), but Lynx contracts with a gent named Kevin Woolgar to handle its club design. Kevin spends most of his time in China working with foundries over there. Some of Lynx's stuff is open model, some of it Kevin co-designs with China's R&D people - mostly adapting/improving/altering their in-house designs. From what they've told me, the VT is a patented model for Lynx (sure, it looks like others, but it's a golf club - it's gonna look like a golf club), and the new Switch Face driver is also a Lynx patent.  Not sure if the Black Cat is an open model or if it's based on an open model with some Kevin-specific alteration. Based on some of the pricing I've seen bandied about (don't believe they've finalized it yet), I'd lean towards the former. 

 

Which begs the question - if an open model performs well, has the shaft you want and is priced right, does it matter if it's an open model or not? Would you buy it and feel confident in it?

That's a question that might lead to another thread...

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What’s an “open model”?


Open model,open mold - means the design is open to anyone who wants it. Chinese manufacturers have designs that are either o longer covered by patents or that are of their own design and shared - basically anyone can sell it, or modify it in conjunction with their own people, and sell it.

Basically, you and I can go into the club business tomorrow and sell open models with our name and logo.

Small companies like Lynx and - I presume Sub70 - will make use of open models to fill out their line rather than investing $30k in developing their own mold for a particular club they don’t think they’ll sell a ton of. The challenge is with the way manufacturing is over there, a mold one company think is theirs may wind up being an open model at a completely different factory. We had a blog on it last year - I’ll dig out the link for you


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Hit 60 degrees in New Hampshire yesterday - got to hit outside for the first time in forever, even if it was off mats. 

Still enjoying the VT's - am able to hit the high or low - still with a nice draw. Distance is hard to judge with relatively cold and beat-to-hell range balls (Sagamore has the moteliest collection of range balls I've seen), but I liked the flight and if I had to guess I'd say distance is acceptable to good. As long as it's consistent and not stupid short, we're good.

Been particularly impressed with how easy the long irons are to hit. The set Lynx sent me includes a 4-iron, which isn't part of their standard set, and it launches beautifully and easily. I'm trying out the Wilson D7's at the same time and I had no problem hitting the Lynx 4-iron as consistently as I was hitting the D7 5-iron (longest iron in my set). 

Did notice something hitting outdoors that I didn't notice in the enclosed portion of the range - when you hit the VT's toward the toe there's an unusual metallic "clink" sound. It was weird the first time I heard it, but it is noticeable. I didn't find it off-putting because the results were still really good, but I would imagine some might find it annoying. I haven't hit the PING G700's, but I've heard from people who have the sound bothers them - I'm guessing that might be the fate of a hollow-body iron. Hit is square and the sound - and as a result the feel - is a little different from a true forged iron (only the face of the VT is forged) - but not one I mind all that much.  The D7, on the other hand, feels very nice when you hit it square and a tad harsh when you don't, but it doesn't have the metallic clink. 

Still no word on US availability or pricing, but Lynx promises that all will be revealed in May. For what it's worth, they've changed their Twitter handle from LynxGolfUK to LynxGolfGlobal, but we'll see what happens. 

I read somewhere - I think it was Twitter - refer to Lynx as a mom-and-pop outfit - and from the context it was not meant as a compliment. Truth is, Lynx is a mom-and-pop outfit, quite literally. It's a small time operation run by a husband and wife team, with all the limitations inherent with said operation. I'm guessing most of their lineup is made up of open models - although they say the VT and the new Switch Face Prowler driver are their own patented designs, but again, what does all that really mean?

So far, I can say the VT irons are definitely in the running for the starting lineup this year - along with a progressive Srixon set and - oddly enough - the D7's. And maybe the Bridgestones. And maybe my 1993 Hogan Edge's. And maybe the MacGregor VIP's. 

I think I have a problem....

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I remember when i first starting playing golf 20 years, I wanted a set of Black Cat irons more than anything.

Be interesting to see if they can catch on here

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Finally got the change to play 18 today - bagged the VT Prowler irons for the first time (I think it may be the first time a new Lynx iron has ever actually hit the turf in New England, but that's just conjecture). Some impressions:

- They definitely have a distinctive sound/feel that will take some getting used to - it's a metallic clink with anything other than a dead center strike.

- Like any iron, the further on the toe you hit it, the more distance you lose. I've played irons that are more forgiving with that type of strike, but these are first-wife level forgiving on a toe hit - the ball goes nowhere.

- Nail it, and these things fly - had a handful of the kind of swings that make you want to play more golf, and was more than pleased with the distance, flight and spin. 

- 4 and 5 irons are exceptionally easy to launch - the combination of the low CG due to the hollow body and the relatively light weight/stiff tip of the KBS Tour V led to some good results - better than hybrids (I think I hate hybrids - that is all)

- Damn near holed a PW from 130 or so (this was after hitting one off the toe and into the drink!) - since it was on 18 and the last hole of the day, I left feeling happier than if the shot in the drink was the lasting memory. 

Verdict - I'll play them again. I enjoy the novelty of playing them and they're fine irons. Are they up there with the Srixon's I've been gaming? Don't think so, but for the price (if we can ever get them here) they're not a bad option and they look seriously badass. 

Playing again Sunday - thinking of taking the Wilson D7's out for a spin - put some KBS C-Tapers in them, so we'll see...

 

And not for nothing, played the front 9 with the Tour Edge EXS driver and the back 9 with the Wilson Cortex. I liked both drivers, but I liked the Cortex a little more, but I think I like my old Mizuno JPX 900 better than both. 

 

 

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Dallas Golf does carry the new Lynx stuff. They had a few sets of VT when I called them almost a year ago.

I was in a long thread about the VTs when they first came out. The prevailing theory (sorry, no concrete proof, but a lot of insider input) is that the Chinese manufacturer took the Hireko Dynacraft Prophet MB muscle blade design of 2017 and made an open model out of it. It is obvious when you also note the similarity of the Lynx Prowler CB forged irons to the 2015 Dynacraft Prophet MB forged. 

I am a huge Prophet MB fan, and must admit the Lynx Prowler VTs look like a fantastic cosmetic improvement to a great performing head.

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7 hours ago, Sparky14 said:

Dallas Golf does carry the new Lynx stuff. They had a few sets of VT when I called them almost a year ago.

I was in a long thread about the VTs when they first came out. The prevailing theory (sorry, no concrete proof, but a lot of insider input) is that the Chinese manufacturer took the Hireko Dynacraft Prophet MB muscle blade design of 2017 and made an open model out of it. It is obvious when you also note the similarity of the Lynx Prowler CB forged irons to the 2015 Dynacraft Prophet MB forged. 

I am a huge Prophet MB fan, and must admit the Lynx Prowler VTs look like a fantastic cosmetic improvement to a great performing head.

We wrote a blog post about that - spoke with both Hireko and Lynx about that specifically. Here's a link:

https://mygolfspy.com/behind-the-curtain-just-who-is-designing-your-golf-clubs/

In a nutshell, the Lynx Prowler CB iron - NOT the VT Prowler - is the iron in question. Lynx asserted that it was an open mold/open model from their Chinese manufacturer and anyone could sell it. It was pretty much identical to the DynaCraft Prophet...which Hireko discontinued in 2017. Hireko says it was their own design and mold, and their factory asserts it did not make the Prowler iron for Lynx. As the article suggests, it's a fair bet to say that somehow that design hopped from one factory to another and maybe even another, and THAT factory considered it an open mold and sold it to Lynx. The more we learned about the nature of 2nd tier Chinese manufacturing (meaning factories not directly associated with a leading OEM), the ore plausible this scenario became.

In the article, Steve Elford - Lynx CEO - says they chose not to spend the money to create their own mold for the Prowler CB forged, simply because they didn't want to spend the money to make their own unique mold for an iron they knew they weren't going to sell tons of. 

According to Lynx, the VT irons are their own patent, co-designed by their R&D director Kevin Woolgar and the R&D department of their Chinese manufacturer. It's a hollow-body iron, so there's nothing crazy unique about it, but it's a pretty good stick. As far as I can tell, Lynx features two unique products - the VT irons and the new VT driver with Switch Face. 

Lynx did dump the Prowler CB forged for 2019 and replaced it with a new iron - I have some pictures and will upload them later. You'll smile when you see them....

The new Black Cat irons - as pointed out earlier in this thread - bear a striking resemblance to the new Sub70 699 irons. I showed them to Jason Hilland of Sub70, and he pointed out that while they do look similar, they are not, in fact, the same. They may even have come from the same factory, but there are enough differences from what he could see in pictures to know. Jason told me - and I have no reason to doubt him - that he owns the mold for his specific irons, but they were co-designed with the factory, which is a very common practice for small brands that simply don't have their own R&D muscle. The small brand comes up with the general idea of what they want - be it a drawing or a set of performance characteristics - and then they work with the engineers at their Chinese supplier to come up with the design. In the case of the 699 irons, Jason says the internal technology - including the polymer filling and internal design - is owned by his factory and they can sell it to anyone - but the specific iron design and the specific mold for the 699 irons belongs to him. He adds there's nothing to stop the supplier - in fact, there's nothing wrong whatsoever with the supplier - providing that internal technology to anyone of its customers that may want it. 

In this case, yeah, the two irons look pretty similar but technically they are not, in fact, the same. The differences may be minor, but Jason was able to pick them out pretty quickly to the point where he was certain the irons did not come from his mold. 

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Hey John, I'm living vicariously through this post.. nearly daily. I'm in the Prowler VT test group. This is where I come to calm my anxiety as we're patiently waiting for bits and pieces of info from Lynx and to find out when our clubs are on their way.

You wouldn't happen to have any further comments or updates would you?

the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..
 

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Hey John, I'm living vicariously through this post.. nearly daily. I'm in the Prowler VT test group. This is where I come to calm my anxiety as we're patiently waiting for bits and pieces of info from Lynx and to find out when our clubs are on their way.

You wouldn't happen to have any further comments or updates would you?

the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..
 


I really enjoy hitting these irons. You’ll find they’re not the most forgiving club in the planet, for them again they’re a kinda-sorta blade. You’ll hear it if you mishit - it’s that metallic clank sound I mentioned - and distance loss with an off center hit is noticeable (and harsh when there’s a pond in front of the green 🤯🤯).

Hit em pure though, and you’ll like them a lot.

Not sure I’d say they’re crazy long - but I will say the long irons are among the easiest to hit of the sets I’ve tried. The 4 and 5 irons are GI Level easy to get airborne.

They’re in my 2019 rotation - I usually screw around with irons and then sometime by mid-July settle on a set to play for the rest of the season.

Enjoy them - they’re a fun iron to hit!


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I really enjoy hitting these irons. You’ll find they’re not the most forgiving club in the planet, for them again they’re a kinda-sorta blade. You’ll hear it if you mishit - it’s that metallic clank sound I mentioned - and distance loss with an off center hit is noticeable (and harsh when there’s a pond in front of the green ).

Hit em pure though, and you’ll like them a lot.

Not sure I’d say they’re crazy long - but I will say the long irons are among the easiest to hit of the sets I’ve tried. The 4 and 5 irons are GI Level easy to get airborne.

They’re in my 2019 rotation - I usually screw around with irons and then sometime by mid-July settle on a set to play for the rest of the season.

Enjoy them - they’re a fun iron to hit!


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Good deal! I'm sure I speak for the other guys in the group by saying I'm about as excited as waiting for my wife to give birth to my 2 kids.

I've been playing minimally offset forged player style CB's for the past 3 years (Maltby DBM's). Not quite Cobra King forged small, but MP SC-18 ish size. I'm hoping that these won't be a step in the wrong direction but my premise with this testing is to be the guy who uses player irons, knows there might be easier clubs to hit that might definitely help my game, but refuses to go to GI because of nothing but stinky pride .. If I can break 80 with them, then it will be a successful outcome. Additionally I think the VT's are about 2-3° stronger lofts.

You wouldn't happen to have any reference between these and any other clubs would you! I.e. Titleist T-MBs or Ping i500s, etc? After this post I promise to stop with the questions

the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..

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