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  1. 1. What type shaft do you have on your irons?

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Well... did some tinkering with some lead tape on the irons. Added about 6-7g on the 7, 8, 9, PW. Played this morning and man, huge difference in ball flight. My swing felt much smoother and the ball had no erratic snaps to the left or right. Absolutely loving the difference. Now to try it out with the 5, 6, and AW.

P790s, Recoil 760 F3(67g), 6-7g lead tape on the heads. In love with the irons again.


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Wood(s)- :ping-small:  G400 5 Wood 17.5*/ 7 Wood 20.5* Alta CB Stiff

Irons-:mizuno-small:   JPX 900 Forged 7-GW NS Pro 950GH JPX MMC Fli-Hi 5-6 NS Pro 950GH

Wedges- :cleveland-small:   588 RTX 2.0  58*   RTX 4 64*

Putter-  :taylormade-small:  Spider Tour Black 

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I have played graphite for most of my playing time started in 1991 just shy of 40 years old, played steel stiff, original rifle shafts; and then graphite to save my hands and wrists. I first tried soft grips but when that did not work moved to graphite. First graphite was in Macgregor vip's stiff graphite, then ping I10's with senior and now ping 400's and glide 2 wedges with senior shafts. Only that has steel shaft is Ping Sigma 2 Arna putter.

Lite shaft are a boon to those like me with no violence in their swing.

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Forgot to add to my earlier posts, but I typically add the Rubber Tungsten tip weights available online for fine swingweighting. I get the 10g weights and trim them to get things just right. I haven't had to add more than 10g to any set of irons to get them where I want them.

 

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I just switched to graphite and I have been impressed by the added consistency. The feel is some what lacking but I like the performance. 


Driver: SIM 9 Motore X F1 7X tipped 1 inch

Utility Iron: Cobra King Utility irons 18 degree Aldila rogue 90 X

Irons: Cobra King forged CB 4-PW KBS $ Taper 130 X

Wedges: Cleveland 49,52.58.64

Putter: Kronos Release.

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2 hours ago, Quigleyd said:

I just switched to graphite and I have been impressed by the added consistency. The feel is some what lacking but I like the performance. 

 

... I think feel and vibration dampning are the real benefits of playing graphite in irons. I had tendonitis and switched from DGS300's to NV Tour shafts that were 130gm and even less torque than steel at 1.5*. Performance was equal although at first they felt dead to me after only playing steel my entire golfing life. But after a few weeks I realized the feel was still there, but with reduced vibration it just feels a little different. I think if you stick with them, you will start getting the same kind of feel on mishits, just much more subtle. And of course dead center with graphite feels like almost nothing. 

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Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Pro Orange 60r
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 75s
Utility:   TaylorMade RBZ Tour Hy ... Matrix Altus 85 hy
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Kuro Kage 105 Tini s-flex
              4-pw TaylorMade P760 ... Recoil Prototype 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind /SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Recoil 110s
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5x

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7 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... I think feel and vibration dampning are the real benefits of playing graphite in irons. I had tendonitis and switched from DGS300's to NV Tour shafts that were 130gm and even less torque than steel at 1.5*. Performance was equal although at first they felt dead to me after only playing steel my entire golfing life. But after a few weeks I realized the feel was still there, but with reduced vibration it just feels a little different. I think if you stick with them, you will start getting the same kind of feel on mishits, just much more subtle. And of course dead center with graphite feels like almost nothing. 

I would agree. The feedback is just different. 

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Driver: SIM 9 Motore X F1 7X tipped 1 inch

Utility Iron: Cobra King Utility irons 18 degree Aldila rogue 90 X

Irons: Cobra King forged CB 4-PW KBS $ Taper 130 X

Wedges: Cleveland 49,52.58.64

Putter: Kronos Release.

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On 10/3/2019 at 4:18 PM, chisag said:

... It all depends on your graphite shaft. I have only used the Recoil 95/110 and Prototype 95's. But many graphite shafts have a lower balance point so swing weight stays the same as heavier steel or only drops a few points. I also play mine at 1/4" which helps maintain swing weight too. 

Do you use lead tape on any of your clubs?  Regrettably, my fitter did not have a good selection of graphite shaft options to test and the PING option was a no go.  How significant is the difference between distributed weight (shaft design itself) vs. added point weight on shaft flex? Certainly one can match overall club weight doing so, but what is the trade-off?  I'm hoping some of the demo days while I'm here in Yuma will afford an opportunity to test some graphite shafts.


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:ping-small: G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w

:ping-small: G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w

:ping-small: G410 Irons 4-UW 

:ping-small: Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW   (removed from double secret probation 😍)

:ping-small: B61 Putter

 

 

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On 3/10/2019 at 11:28 AM, Dopds said:

I switched to graphite over a year ago for my irons. I was needing a a higher launch and I was struggling with golfers elbow from hit the ground so much. I picked up 10 extra yards per club and have less joint pain. I play 80 plus rounds a year and I am at the range 4 days a week.


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Same here.

Elbow pain is what made me switch, and I gained height and distance also. I actually play a little more often then you, but practice a lot less, LOL.

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:callaway-small: Rogue 15*  Quaranta 

:callaway-small: Epic Flash hybrids 18* & 21* Tensei Silver

:callaway-small: Rogue X 5-AW Tensei Silver 

:callaway-small: MD4 52* & 56*

:odyssey-small: Stroke Lab Double Wide 34"

:callaway-small: Fusion Zero 14 way stand bag

 

:EVNROLL: ER5  & :yes-small: Tracy putters will be sitting in a :titelist-small: Hybrid 5 bag, just waiting for the :odyssey-small: to misbehave.

 

 

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I'm fine with steel for now, but graphite is becoming more comparable in both price and performance, so I can all guarantee my next iron set in 5 years will be graphite. 

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:ping-small: G410 Plus Ping 9* VA Nemesys 65FIVE
:ping-small: G410 LST 14.5* VA Vylyn 75FIVE
:titelist-small: 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X
:mizuno-small: MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X
:mizuno-small: JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-)
:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 49 F - 54 S - 59 D
:mizuno-small: M Craft I
:bridgestone-small: Tour B X
 
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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Do you use lead tape on any of your clubs?  Regrettably, my fitter did not have a good selection of graphite shaft options to test and the PING option was a no go.  How significant is the difference between distributed weight (shaft design itself) vs. added point weight on shaft flex? Certainly one can match overall club weight doing so, but what is the trade-off?  I'm hoping some of the demo days while I'm here in Yuma will afford an opportunity to test some graphite shafts.

 

... Quite honestly I could get by with no lead tape but since I have the equipment, why not get them perfect. Usually off by 1/2 a swing weight point and maybe an iron or 2 off by 1 full swing weight but most would never be able to tell a difference. 1 swing weight point will not change the performance of the shaft at all, so zero effect from added weight. 

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Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Pro Orange 60r
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 75s
Utility:   TaylorMade RBZ Tour Hy ... Matrix Altus 85 hy
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Kuro Kage 105 Tini s-flex
              4-pw TaylorMade P760 ... Recoil Prototype 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind /SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Recoil 110s
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5x

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On 11/18/2019 at 4:42 PM, chisag said:

 

... I think feel and vibration dampning are the real benefits of playing graphite in irons. I had tendonitis and switched from DGS300's to NV Tour shafts that were 130gm and even less torque than steel at 1.5*. Performance was equal although at first they felt dead to me after only playing steel my entire golfing life. But after a few weeks I realized the feel was still there, but with reduced vibration it just feels a little different. I think if you stick with them, you will start getting the same kind of feel on mishits, just much more subtle. And of course dead center with graphite feels like almost nothing. 

Dispersion with graphite for some gets improved for some. I’ve seen it both times I’ve switched to graphite 

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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I should have been paying attention to the forums a year ago, I could have offered a timely comment, instead of committing threadomancy....

And since it's threadomancy, I'll try keep it short and sweet.  Have fought the aches and pains over the last few years, been testing graphite iron shafts while riding the fence of indecision.  Recoil (retail version), XCaliber TourX, and finally the Aldila NV105, which Chisag referenced.  Turns out the NV105 was still available at Hireko for a while (largely gone now), after disappearing from the market everywhere else.

Liked the NV105 so much I put them in a full set of irons (stiff, fwiw), also in SW/LW.  I found a slight improvement in trajectory, good wind play, and remarkable consistency shot to shot.  Played them for several months before a steel shafted iron set purchase turned my head.  Even found the aches had been bothering me more than I'd thought, when they went away.  I wasn't sure how to deal with fingers/wrists/elbows that didn't buzz a little bit.

Only issue I had was static weight; I've always preferred heavier shafts, even in drivers and fairway woods.  Dropping from 130g to 105g, I found myself sometimes overreleasing the long irons.  Curiously, only the long irons.  I'd lead taped them to D6, wasn't quite enough.

Have a set of RIP Tour 115 regular lying around, need to figure which of my absurd number of sets they should be installed in.

Graphite in irons.  Worth a look, there's a profile for everyone.

with apologies again for threadomancy

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my wife was right, I can't multitask
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Cobra King LTD @ 10.5*, ProtoPype 80 X, 43.5"
2h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S
3-PW:  Mizuno MP37, DGS300
GW: Mizuno Pro 52*, DGS300
SW:  Ram TG-898 56* -or- Wilson Staff PMP 58*
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, Cleveland Designed By, or Mizuno TPM-2, all at 34", or Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35"
Ball:  Wilson Staff Duo Pro or FG Tour, or Kirkland Signature 3 pc

Sometimes play 2-PW Golden Ram TW282 or 2-PW 1980 Golden Rams

Occasionally swap in Orlimar or Ram persimmons at the top end of bag

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Don't apologize for threadomancy - this is a great topic.

My first (abortive) attempt at fitting for the Cobra F8's had the "fitter" at GG (only place I could get fit for the Cobras) put me in Aldila Rogue iron shafts.  I was game at the time, but after I got home and looked over the specs he fit me into, I knew he didn't know what he was doing.  When I went in the next day and demanded another fitting, the guy who fit me used the Mizuno shaft optimizer on me, and that recommended the NS Pro 105s, which I love.  

I'm not against graphite iron shafts at all.  Once a fitter recommends them, I'll definitely go that route.

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What's in the bag:
Driver - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
3 Wood (16*) - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
2 Hybrid - Titleist 585 (17*) - Titleist 4175 ( R )
4i - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
Putter - :ping-small: Craz-e
Bag - :1590477705_SunMountain: 2.5 (Forest Green)
Ball -  :Snell: MTB-X
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All I know is, after suffering from tennis elbow for the entire second half of 2019, steel is no longer an option for me and I am 100% OK with that. The graphite shafts in my Cobras right now feel so much better and given their age, I'm betting a newer shaft would have even better feel/performance. 

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:wilson_staff_small:  D7 R flex 
:callaway-small:  GBB 3W (lofted to 4W)
:callaway-small: V-Series Heavenwood
:cobra-small: Baffler XL 5i-PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 54*
:cleveland-small:  Smart Sole S
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7 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

Don't apologize for threadomancy - this is a great topic.

My first (abortive) attempt at fitting for the Cobra F8's had the "fitter" at GG (only place I could get fit for the Cobras) put me in Aldila Rogue iron shafts.  I was game at the time, but after I got home and looked over the specs he fit me into, I knew he didn't know what he was doing.  When I went in the next day and demanded another fitting, the guy who fit me used the Mizuno shaft optimizer on me, and that recommended the NS Pro 105s, which I love.  

I'm not against graphite iron shafts at all.  Once a fitter recommends them, I'll definitely go that route.

I would be surprised if a fitter ever recommended them unless they were either the only shaft option in a club or the person came in and said they wanted to be fit to graphite or a lightweight shaft. With several brands having steel shafts in lighter weights than what has been the norm that is the way most fitters go especially places where the build and upcharge of shafts is the business practice. 

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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I am so happy to have found this wonderful thread. The information and feedback are going to help me in my transition from steel to graphite in my irons. Thanks guys.

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On 1/21/2020 at 10:16 PM, NRJyzr said:

I should have been paying attention to the forums a year ago, I could have offered a timely comment, instead of committing threadomancy....

And since it's threadomancy, I'll try keep it short and sweet.  Have fought the aches and pains over the last few years, been testing graphite iron shafts while riding the fence of indecision.  Recoil (retail version), XCaliber TourX, and finally the Aldila NV105, which Chisag referenced.  Turns out the NV105 was still available at Hireko for a while (largely gone now), after disappearing from the market everywhere else.

Liked the NV105 so much I put them in a full set of irons (stiff, fwiw), also in SW/LW.  I found a slight improvement in trajectory, good wind play, and remarkable consistency shot to shot.  Played them for several months before a steel shafted iron set purchase turned my head.  Even found the aches had been bothering me more than I'd thought, when they went away.  I wasn't sure how to deal with fingers/wrists/elbows that didn't buzz a little bit.

Only issue I had was static weight; I've always preferred heavier shafts, even in drivers and fairway woods.  Dropping from 130g to 105g, I found myself sometimes overreleasing the long irons.  Curiously, only the long irons.  I'd lead taped them to D6, wasn't quite enough.

Have a set of RIP Tour 115 regular lying around, need to figure which of my absurd number of sets they should be installed in.

Graphite in irons.  Worth a look, there's a profile for everyone.

with apologies again for threadomancy

Holy Crap! RIP Tour 115 R is my shaft of choice and they're a rare as hens teeth. I bought the last three 4i-W sets I found a few years ago and can't find any more to save my life. If yours are new and you decide to let them go, please contact me.

BT

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On 2/5/2020 at 2:07 PM, RI_Redneck said:

Holy Crap! RIP Tour 115 R is my shaft of choice and they're a rare as hens teeth. I bought the last three 4i-W sets I found a few years ago and can't find any more to save my life. If yours are new and you decide to let them go, please contact me.

BT

 

I admit I'm thinking about it.  🙂   I'm not sure I actually *need* to go to graphite yet, one reason I've not installed them in anything.

Indecision.  Analysis paralysis.  So much fun.


Cobra King LTD @ 10.5*, ProtoPype 80 X, 43.5"
2h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S
3-PW:  Mizuno MP37, DGS300
GW: Mizuno Pro 52*, DGS300
SW:  Ram TG-898 56* -or- Wilson Staff PMP 58*
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, Cleveland Designed By, or Mizuno TPM-2, all at 34", or Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35"
Ball:  Wilson Staff Duo Pro or FG Tour, or Kirkland Signature 3 pc

Sometimes play 2-PW Golden Ram TW282 or 2-PW 1980 Golden Rams

Occasionally swap in Orlimar or Ram persimmons at the top end of bag

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