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I have a ping G30 SF tec driver, I have snapped the shaft just above the adapter 3 times. I am not banging the driver in anger or anything. It always just snaps on impact. Any one have any ideas why or a shaft I can buy that will stop this>

 

Driver  :titelist-small: TS 2, Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff 9.5* Setting, A2

Fairway Wood:   :ping-small: G30 Stiff Shaft

Hybrid:   :titelist-small: TS2 19* Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff shaft

Irons:     :titelist-small: 718 AP1 (4-PW) AMT Red Stiff Shafts 

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX4 52* 56*

Putter:   :cameron-small: Scotty Cameron Golo 5

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I have seen this when someone uses too much epoxy during assembly and the epoxy runs up beyond the height of the adapter on the shaft.  This will create a shear point and the shaft will snap there.

Another thought, I've seen this happen when people don't put the head cover on when the club is in the bag.  The shaft takes a beating from iron heads and micro fractures develop until the snap happens.

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Not supposed to hit the ball off the hosel. [emoji12]

I would doubt swing speed or manufacturing defect. I agree with the prior poster, sounds like someone is doing a bad assembly job. Are these from the OEM or are you getting someone in particular to build shafts for you?

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Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
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Could also be over abrading the tip?

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The first 2 shafts were directly from Ping, the one that came with the club and then warranty replacement. The third was put on at golf galaxy.  The Ping ones were the blue standard shaft, first one was Stiff second one they bumped me up to X. 

I always put the head cover on because I'm OCD about cosmetic stuff and cant really say its happening due to hosel shots.  Hit it pretty consistent on the face. 

In the replacement what should I look for or where should I have it done? I've been debating on just buying a new driver.

Driver  :titelist-small: TS 2, Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff 9.5* Setting, A2

Fairway Wood:   :ping-small: G30 Stiff Shaft

Hybrid:   :titelist-small: TS2 19* Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff shaft

Irons:     :titelist-small: 718 AP1 (4-PW) AMT Red Stiff Shafts 

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX4 52* 56*

Putter:   :cameron-small: Scotty Cameron Golo 5

Right Handed 

Pittsburgh, PA

 

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The first 2 shafts were directly from Ping, the one that came with the club and then warranty replacement. The third was put on at golf galaxy.  The Ping ones were the blue standard shaft, first one was Stiff second one they bumped me up to X. 
I always put the head cover on because I'm OCD about cosmetic stuff and cant really say its happening due to hosel shots.  Hit it pretty consistent on the face. 
In the replacement what should I look for or where should I have it done? I've been debating on just buying a new driver.

Honestly never heard of something like this happening so often. Especially on multiple shafts from multiple sources.

BTW, was kidding about the hosel shots

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
Putter:  Bellum Winmore 787

Backups:  :bobby-grace-1: 6330, :taylormade-small:TM-180

 

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18 minutes ago, cnosil said:


Honestly never heard of something like this happening so often. Especially on multiple shafts from multiple sources.

BTW, was kidding about the hosel shots

Haha no worries on the hosel shots! I just wanted to make sure everyone had the information.  It really is the oddest thing. the last one was a pure hit shot (or so it felt) and the head went flying

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Driver  :titelist-small: TS 2, Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff 9.5* Setting, A2

Fairway Wood:   :ping-small: G30 Stiff Shaft

Hybrid:   :titelist-small: TS2 19* Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff shaft

Irons:     :titelist-small: 718 AP1 (4-PW) AMT Red Stiff Shafts 

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX4 52* 56*

Putter:   :cameron-small: Scotty Cameron Golo 5

Right Handed 

Pittsburgh, PA

 

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The head is cursed!  🙂

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The head is cursed!  [emoji846]



Think if I tell the wife this she’ll be cool with me buying a new driver?


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Driver  :titelist-small: TS 2, Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff 9.5* Setting, A2

Fairway Wood:   :ping-small: G30 Stiff Shaft

Hybrid:   :titelist-small: TS2 19* Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff shaft

Irons:     :titelist-small: 718 AP1 (4-PW) AMT Red Stiff Shafts 

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX4 52* 56*

Putter:   :cameron-small: Scotty Cameron Golo 5

Right Handed 

Pittsburgh, PA

 

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Think if I tell the wife this she’ll be cool with me buying a new driver?


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Absolutely, just tell her the “experts” at MGS said it was an omen for a new driver [emoji16]


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Shaft breakage just above the tip is typically a result of hitting near the hosel or hitting the ground just before impact.

A second possible cause is when bring the club around it hits your back. This typically results in a break towards the middle but can be closer to the head.

 

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From my experience, shaft breakage (specifically at the tip section above the ferrule) is the result of improper installation - period.

Shafts installed into club heads are designed to cope with impacts in whatever form they come,  so to blame breakage squarely on to poor impact is absolutely bogus.

If the tip section has been improperly prepared and installed however, then you are basically waiting for a failure to happen.

The tip section for one has to be prepped correctly. Any coarse abrasion to the tip can lead to weakness in the tip fibres and cause failure. Secondly, any lateral stress to the tip can also be the cause of tip failure - this is why we never install a graphite directly into an adapter of club head without first ensuring that the entry is either chamfered to mitigate side stress, or a collared ferrule is used to alleviate the same tip to entry stress.

If you have a combination of these factors, then you have a recipe for disaster. I don't want to call out Ping themselves, but their mass produced orders are likely to be the cause of some (but not all) failures and not wishing to call out Golf Galaxy either, but their level of post assembly scrutiny simply does not match those of any professional club builder whatsoever. 

I guess you can probably attribute these failures to either one of these poor assembly techniques, but I guess these are also symptomatic to the general level of quality inspection that they get these days too - which is close to zero. I'm quite sure that both Ping and GG offer a full money back guarantee on the products sold - but the emphasis always seems to be on the sale rather than the the product these days, hence the increasing number of failures which are regrettably down to mass produced non-skilled labour techniques. 

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Ping was awesome the first time, they replaced it and changed stiffness. The second time was like 14 months after I purchased the driver so they said it wasnt covered anymore.  GG just said sorry, not their fault and to buy a new shaft. 

Driver  :titelist-small: TS 2, Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff 9.5* Setting, A2

Fairway Wood:   :ping-small: G30 Stiff Shaft

Hybrid:   :titelist-small: TS2 19* Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff shaft

Irons:     :titelist-small: 718 AP1 (4-PW) AMT Red Stiff Shafts 

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX4 52* 56*

Putter:   :cameron-small: Scotty Cameron Golo 5

Right Handed 

Pittsburgh, PA

 

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I bought a new set of Callaway Apex irons with the stiff Elevate shafts but I kept snapping the shafts about 5” below the grip. Three broke in one summer; two 8 irons and a 7 iron. This was done on the golf course (not a mat) and with pure strikes, not fat. My driver speed is about 106-109 mph and I’m a 9.5 index. I switched to Dynamic Gold shafts and no more problems. Has anyone else experienced this?

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On 3/14/2019 at 11:21 AM, Brian A said:

 

 


Think if I tell the wife this she’ll be cool with me buying a new driver?


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It's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission, because YOU KNOW what the answer is when you ask,,,,,,

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