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the need for Speed....

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I play blades because my proximity stats with 4i-SW are better than the tour average and for me the foundation of that stat is distance control via trajectory manipulation. A smaller instrument is also my preference when I need to dig the ball out of a less than ideal lie. If golf were a game of strictly full swings from perfect lies then I might choose a different tack, but for the time being it's still a game that rewards intentional creativity. And nothing gets my creative juices flowing more than my Adams IDEA MB2s.

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Finally switched from my Nike vapor pro / pro combo mixed set last year to PXG. I would have never thought I would do it and certainly not PXG, nothing against anyone that likes them as a company, just the brand itself did not speak to me and I can’t unsee bob parsons wearing an earring slinging $1.99 domain names. 

I think I lost a touch of distance control but I’m hitting it way higher now and overall hitting more greens. 

 

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Blades or MB's meets all the needs of my game. Forgiveness and technology are mass advertised in massive sizes. But it is trending to a better sized iron, eventually the OEM's will get it right. Lots of good things in the players CB's. No doubt, the OEM's are making not only better irons, but better sized irons.

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I have to admit that I am "this" player. I've been trying to shake my blades for 5 years now and keep going back to them. Most recently, I moved from my Wilson FG100's to the Mizuno JPX 900 Forged. I'm 5 rounds into my season and already seriously regret it. Probably the biggest issue I have is the fact that I hit the same shot almost everywhere on the face of the club. That's fine for the guy trying to hit the ball straight to the target every time, but when I drive it into the trees or need a good knockdown shot, I just don't have it with the cavity backs. 

Blades give me the feeling of control, not forgiveness. Blades give me the control to flight the ball where I need it and the ability to move the ball from right to left and left to right. I also like the "no offset" look that blades offer over many of the newer models. Another part of the blade that I prefer is the more traditional lofting of them. I know it sounds stupid, but I don't want to hit a 6 iron 220. That just means that I'm carrying 4 or 5 wedges AFTER my pitching wedge and losing the longer irons. 

Another side note,  I also like blades because everyone is scared of them. When I step on to the first tee with my blades in my bag, people get nervous. When I walk up with the Mizzy's they don't. There's something to the awe that blades deliver to others that can't be explained, but in a comp, blades are definitely something that people fear - and I like that. That may seem childish, but I'll take every competitive advantage I can take, and psyching out your opponents is one of them that comes with carrying blades.

Taking all of that into account, nothing, and I mean NOTHING feels as good as a perfectly hit blade. That's all there is to it. 

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3 hours ago, chisag said:

... Before any comment about irons, the ball has changed radically. It was so much easier to shape shots with a MB and a balata ball. In all honesty hitting a straight shot was dam near impossible as everything curved some because Balata balls spun like crazy. One of the reasons Nicklaus always said find a shot shape and increase the size of the fairway.  Hitting down the center you have 50% of the fairway on either side for error, but hitting a fade or draw down one side and curving it back you have 100% fairway to work with. Same with an iron shot not a green. I played a draw back then and every shot was a draw to some degree. Fast forward to todays ball and everything changed. 

This this and this. The ball has changed not just the distances but the ability to spin the ball in different directions. It is still possible but not even close to the degree that it was with a balata, or really anything before the original PROV1

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Some of the game improvement irons aren’t playable to me. Not all but some. You have these rockets on a stick that fly high and long but that’s not what I’m looking for in my iron game. You can’t control the ball with that kind of club as well as you can a smaller forging.


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I was actually fitted into blades recently. The fitter had me try a ton of different cavity back styles but every time we came back to the blades. My dispersion and ball striking improved. For some reason they make me feel more confident that I'm not going to hit them left, than a chunkier piece of metal with more offset. Because of this I have a tendency to swing more free and fluid with them and actually increase my clubhead speed when hitting them. My final choice was the Titliest 718 mbs, but I could have went with any of the mbs and been fine.

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I don't play blades but I do play smaller more compact heads (710 AP2's). The super game improvement irons and even some of the game improvement irons are just too big and clunky for my eye. I feel more confident standing over the ball with the smaller head as weird as that may sound. Should I have been playing these irons 4 years ago when I bought them? No but they have definitely made me a much better ball striker and now that I'm a much better player than I was, I love the workability of the AP2's. I could care less if I can hit another iron 10 yards longer if I can't control where it's going as much.

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1 hour ago, chershey said:

I was actually fitted into blades recently. The fitter had me try a ton of different cavity back styles but every time we came back to the blades. My dispersion and ball striking improved. For some reason they make me feel more confident that I'm not going to hit them left, than a chunkier piece of metal with more offset. Because of this I have a tendency to swing more free and fluid with them and actually increase my clubhead speed when hitting them. My final choice was the Titliest 718 mbs, but I could have went with any of the mbs and been fine.

 

... I certainly understand having confidence in a club and that confidence often trumps technical aspects that may actually fit you better. But one thing I never quite understand in MB discussions is why anyone compares MB's to chunky metal, large headed, thick top line irons with pronounced offset. I doubt I am educating anyone but there is a large category of Players CB's and they often look virtually identical to MB's in size and shape but have some perimeter weighting which virtually 99.99% can take advantage of, especially with mid and long irons. 

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I have played blades most of my life and last year I switched to a player’s cavity iron. Results so far have been good but trying to dial in distance has been a bit of a struggle. I convinced myself that I don’t practice nearly enough to play blades and right now I am not so sure. I am going to play my Apex MB irons tomorrow just to see what happens. For some reason looking at a smaller headed iron with less forgiveness makes me a better ball striker.


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26 minutes ago, Jmikecpa said:

I have played blades most of my life and last year I switched to a player’s cavity iron. Results so far have been good but trying to dial in distance has been a bit of a struggle. I convinced myself that I don’t practice nearly enough to play blades and right now I am not so sure. I am going to play my Apex MB irons tomorrow just to see what happens. For some reason looking at a smaller headed iron with less forgiveness makes me a better ball striker.


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Be interested in how you feel going back to trial the MB's again.

I did that a few years ago. I grew up playing blades but switched to cavity back as apparently they are more forgiving, better dispersion, better distance etc. One day brought the MP69's out and they looked fantastic at address and with strikes. I could hit easy shots or step on them as I knew how far they would go.

Had to switch back to cavity's as I wasn't playing enough and felt I need some help.

 

If I played 4+ times a week I would play blades all day long, especially the hi tech blades these days that are as forgiving as a blade has ever been.

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5 hours ago, perseveringgolfer said:

Be interested in how you feel going back to trial the MB's again.

I did that a few years ago. I grew up playing blades but switched to cavity back as apparently they are more forgiving, better dispersion, better distance etc. One day brought the MP69's out and they looked fantastic at address and with strikes. I could hit easy shots or step on them as I knew how far they would go.

Had to switch back to cavity's as I wasn't playing enough and felt I need some help.

If I played 4+ times a week I would play blades all day long, especially the hi tech blades these days that are as forgiving as a blade has ever been.

 

... I think you are in Scotland, right? It is my understanding that most courses are meant to be played on the ground over there and that is a big difference from most courses in the US? Most of our courses are meant to be played in the air and carry is king. Slight mishits played with roll are different than forced carries over water, bunkers and false fronts. So irons serve quite a different purpose playing links or links style courses than typical US over watered, lush all carry courses. 

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34 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... I think you are in Scotland, right? Courses are meant to be played on the ground over there and that is a big difference from most courses in the US. Most of our courses are meant to be played in the air and carry is king. Slight mishits played with roll are different than forced carries over water, bunkers and false fronts. So irons serve quite a different purpose playing links or links style courses than typical US over watered, lush all carry courses. 

Not sure why you think that? you do know we have hundreds of exceptional parkland courses where carry is King. 

Also when you have a tight pin tucked behind a bunker even on a links course you need height, carry and spin. Low shots would just bounce thru into trouble.

The US have an outstanding record of US players winning the Open with blades, high carry and stop.

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Be interested in how you feel going back to trial the MB's again.
I did that a few years ago. I grew up playing blades but switched to cavity back as apparently they are more forgiving, better dispersion, better distance etc. One day brought the MP69's out and they looked fantastic at address and with strikes. I could hit easy shots or step on them as I knew how far they would go.
Had to switch back to cavity's as I wasn't playing enough and felt I need some help.
 
If I played 4+ times a week I would play blades all day long, especially the hi tech blades these days that are as forgiving as a blade has ever been.


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Ian Fraser of TXG demonstrated something interesting in a recent video when he was testing irons.

Forgiveness can be relative to a given player. We often think of forgiveness solely from an MOI standpoint but there's also the way a player interacts the club with the ground. Some players suit a thinner sole, others a wider sole. Depends on the attack angle of the player. There's that turf interaction buzzphrase again, but it does mean something.

What it comes down to is getting properly fitted for whatever iron you end up playing. And a good fitter can make a world of difference. There's a lot more to what iron someone should be playing than just their handicap.

I certainly prefer the blade profile with less offset, I miss left... a lot. But for me, having something with some forgiveness in MOI is also important because I don't play often. So I'm looking more at 0311T or P760 style irons over a pure blade.

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A lot of why I stuck with a blade is distance. I didn't want to get a technology packed iron and then bend them stupidly weak. I hit my Ping i3 blade 6 iron 195 at standard angle. So I didn't want anymore distance.

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