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Agree with all the comments on the "better player" club perception. Up until I got fitted for new irons I never would have though I was good enough to play Titleist clubs. Other than that theory not sure why more people dont give them the credit.


Likewise. I’m terrible but the 910 D2 was one of the most consistent drivers I’ve ever owned. Shame on me for moving it.


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I love Titleist. The Pro V sets the bar for every other ball. Their irons are consistently great, vokey wedges are everywhere, their FWs and hybrids are always top performers, and outside of the 917 driver, their big boys are always good. In my opinion, they take a hit as being “players “ clubs, but in reality, they have something for everyone.


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I'll echo any of the other sentiments already said, but I think for me it's always been a perception thing. I thought Titleist was geared toward better players and I think their marketing and design tend to go away from the catchy terminology like jailbrak, or twist face. Think my perception changed recently when I tried the TS2 fairway wood. Hot face and got the best distance even compared to others like Callaway, G410 and Taylormade. Needless to say the TS2may be in the bag relatively soon haha.

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Every golf group I’ve ever played in the better golfers in those groups inevitably played Titleist. For many years the titleist products targeted that same group of elite golfers but in recent years they have expanded their target to include Golfers of all skill levels. Because Titleist utilizes the PGA tour to provide evidence of their product quality the average Golfer feels out of touch with their products.

 

Why has Titleist been so successful on Tour? Money and market saturation. Titleist has more staff players on tour than all others combined so quit naturally they are going to have more victories.

 

Are Titleist clubs underrated? I don’t think so I just think the average Golfer still feels like they are for better Golfers. Maybe a better word is misunderstood.

 

 

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On 3/17/2019 at 5:36 PM, gaussman1 said:

I'm not a fan but that has more to do with my distaste for their local rep. A good rep can really help a company's reputation but theirs is quite unpleasant and has spent decades lording his position over everyone in the industry. If you're in the business you need Pro V1s and Cameron putters and he knows it and acts like it. I won't buy their products.

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Wow. We are fortunate.  Our Rep is not only a great rep.  But a great person.  We may only do 25k witj them per year.  But be treats us like it's 250k.  Not surprising he won the Mid Atlantic Sales Rep of the year from the MAPGA. So that takes into account every company rep in the entire Mid Atalantic. 

But you are right often times the rep or the tech rep for an area can do much more harm then good. 

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I have always loved what Titleist has produced in every line. I just think that they have always been thought of as a players club and that’s why a lot of people have never tried their equipment


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Titliest has never been one of my favorite companies, not anything wrong with them in my opinion but their equipment has never been good to my swing. I've had AP2's and they were just shorter, at least a club even than other irons I've had in the past. I used to play the prov1x but have since switched to Taylormade as that ball has just been killer for me,

 

If anything, I think Titleist sat on their thumbs a bit when other companies were pushing new tech in their woods and it hurt them. A lot of the older guys where I play are sold on Titleist for being more traditional and the younger generation seem to gravitate towards the new tech of (insert other brand here). 

Of course I understand that they've changed their tune a bit and are starting to move towards accepting new ideas but time will tell if the younger generation buys into it

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I think the perception is absolutely true for most people. I think it's different for people who really get into research and follow equipment. I have nothing bad to say about titliest, I love their apparel, but I tested their AP irons and I tested several of their golf balls. They performed really well. For me it just came down to Mizuno irons played a little bit better for me and bridgestone balls performed better for me. I did recently get a Cameron putter and while it was fit for me and preforms so beautifully, I didn't get it because it was titliest, I got it because it was Cameron.

 

I would test then again when it comes time to replace things.

 

 

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Admittedly I'm a bit of a Titleist fanboy, but in my experience is that people think of them as a ball company first and club manufacturer second.

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As with any company, it's all perception.  Titleist has been around for quite a while but most everyone associated them with balls & balls alone.  Mainly because of the advertising that goes on with the ball every week from the Tour.  #1 played at this tournament & that tournament, etc.  It's also been the perception that you had to be a good or great player to play their irons.  Luckily they are finally getting away from that stigma with their introduction of the AP1 & AP3 lines of irons.  Advertising both the irons & the wood lineup this year has done well for them.  The TS line of woods is one of, if not the best, woods they have ever come out with.  And that's saying something from me, since I've played Titleist clubs from way back in the day of the Acushnet era of the late 70's & the original metal woods of the early 80's.

I'm happy to see the direction Titleist is going now.  It's great to see & I look forward to the next iterations for years to come 

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They may be winning on tour but you could take those same players, put any other gear in their bag and they would still win.  Titleist makes good gear but IMO they rely too much on their brand image and too little on actual innovation or quality.

Ever since Titleist got bought by FILA they have been coasting and resting on their laurels, IMO.

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1 hour ago, Badgerstate said:

They may be winning on tour but you could take those same players, put any other gear in their bag and they would still win.  Titleist makes good gear but IMO they rely too much on their brand image and too little on actual innovation or quality.

Ever since Titleist got bought by FILA they have been coasting and resting on their laurels, IMO.

Yet they have done things to get away from some aspects of their image like adding ap3 to give those who want ap2 look but need ap1 forgiveness, they addressed the negative feedback of lack of distance with the TS line, they spent years doing r&d to bring a yellow pro v to the market, they’ve brought high end shafts as stock in their woods.

So while they maintain the dedication to engineering and design vice marketing and still want the golfer regardless of skill level that want to play great, quality equipment they have addressed their weak points.

unfortunately they are a brand that has a pre conceived notion and there will be a segment of people who will not pay attention to what they are doing and realize it’s not the same titleist while maintaining the company and brand prestige 

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I've not really ever been overly fond of Titleist. I do respect their engineering and stuff but they're far too traditional in looks for my liking.

I hit the TS3 shortly after it came out, along with the Ping G400 and TaylorMade M3. I had fairly similar numbers with all of them, and I thought the TS3 was quite good in fact, but I much prefer the aesthetics of the other two.

I also wasn't a fan of the Pro V range of balls I tested many years ago and ended up going back to my Nike balls until they shut down the hard goods.

Don't think there's anything wrong with them going for the traditional look by any means, it's just not for me. Aesthetics are an important functional requirement for me in any club. Titleist just hasn't ticked that box for me. Maybe in the future...

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21 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Yet they have done things to get away from some aspects of their image like adding ap3 to give those who want ap2 look but need ap1 forgiveness, they addressed the negative feedback of lack of distance with the TS line, they spent years doing r&d to bring a yellow pro v to the market, they’ve brought high end shafts as stock in their woods.

So while they maintain the dedication to engineering and design vice marketing and still want the golfer regardless of skill level that want to play great, quality equipment they have addressed their weak points.

unfortunately they are a brand that has a pre conceived notion and there will be a segment of people who will not pay attention to what they are doing and realize it’s not the same titleist while maintaining the company and brand prestige 

What does the Titleist do that is any different than what every other OEM is doing?  Take Titleist's best and compare it to what Callaway and Taylormade are doing and you see nothing special from Titleist. 

I used to be a pretty big Titleist fanboy.  The 1st set of namebrand irons I ever bought was a set of DCI 981s and to this day I still enjoy playing them from time to time because they are such beautiful, classic-looking, sweet irons.  A couple years ago, I bought a set of AP1s and really wanted to like them but they were just awful.

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13 hours ago, Badgerstate said:

What does the Titleist do that is any different than what every other OEM is doing?  Take Titleist's best and compare it to what Callaway and Taylormade are doing and you see nothing special from Titleist. 

I used to be a pretty big Titleist fanboy.  The 1st set of namebrand irons I ever bought was a set of DCI 981s and to this day I still enjoy playing them from time to time because they are such beautiful, classic-looking, sweet irons.  A couple years ago, I bought a set of AP1s and really wanted to like them but they were just awful.

Imo titleist has a quality control process for all clubs and balls that is better than any other company. They age built around the engineering, design and Qc. They know who they are and stay true to that but also know where their weaknesses are and strive to address them without compromising whonthey are. The yellow prov is a perfect example. There was a clamor for them to have a yellow ball. They could have released one at any point but they didn’t want to compromise the titleist name or way so they spent the time to get the yellow color and coating right before they released it.

Other companies like Callaway and TM have a changing identity. Callaway brought on the current marketing team fo change their image and they started the 5 year war to remove confusion from the consumer and they did that for awhile now they are becoming who they were at TM and it’s constant release of gear in the same category. Then look at the epic, rogue and epic flash. Rogue isn’t a replacement for epic but they way it was marketed would make  one think it was and now the same for the epic flash. Rogue isn’t even mentioned anywhere even though it’s still in its 18-24 month release cycle.

Many say they have been confused by TM for several years and despite the fact they have been on yearly releases for awhile and not just throwing clubs out every 6 months they still have a perception of constant releases. They were about low spin and forward cg, then it was the t-track, y track and now reverse t track. Like Callaway they had a time where the hottest new innovation was gone the next release. They will continue to improve imo under current ownership but then will have to deal with change once this investment company sells.

Ping is like titleist and why both have a loyal fan base.

 

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Everyone seems to love Titleist. The quality is great as is the consistency.

I, however, don't use any Titleist equipment because quite frankly I'm very realistic about my game. $50-$65 for balls that at my level I'm going to lose is RIDICULOUS! $1200- 2000 for a set of irons that aren't going to make me a scratch golfer isn't worth it to me....yet. 

Imo Titleist prices itself out of the market for mid to high hadicapers who are realists and are honest with themselves when they don't have an endless budget. 

After hitting NUMEROUS new irons last year I finally decided on Wilson V6 irons. I love the blade-like look and the forgiveness. Plus forged steel so the loft and lie can be adjusted..FANTASTIC! Not the cool choice but a great fit and under a $grand. 

This year it's time for a new driver and wedges.... I'll update when I decide which ones cause u never know... Titleist could end up in the bag. 

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3 hours ago, GolfDegenerate said:

Everyone seems to love Titleist. The quality is great as is the consistency.

I, however, don't use any Titleist equipment because quite frankly I'm very realistic about my game. $50-$65 for balls that at my level I'm going to lose is RIDICULOUS! $1200- 2000 for a set of irons that aren't going to make me a scratch golfer isn't worth it to me....yet. 

Imo Titleist prices itself out of the market for mid to high hadicapers who are realists and are honest with themselves when they don't have an endless budget. 

After hitting NUMEROUS new irons last year I finally decided on Wilson V6 irons. I love the blade-like look and the forgiveness. Plus forged steel so the loft and lie can be adjusted..FANTASTIC! Not the cool choice but a great fit and under a $grand. 

This year it's time for a new driver and wedges.... I'll update when I decide which ones cause u never know... Titleist could end up in the bag. 

The price argument in the last 2-3 years is weak. Titleist is same price or cheaper than most of the big brands out there. With most brands offering the ability to buy only the irons one wants vice a full 3 or 4 thru pw $1200 regardless off brand goes out the window.  Tour level balls tend to run within a few dollars of each other.

 

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Historically Titleist equip can be hard to hit. For the averrage golfer. The tour pros are.a different. breed thats why they Dominate on tour. Plus they make the money off ball sales  not so much clubs so that is where the advertiseing dollars go. Think about it how many clubs to balls does the average player purchase each season

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I think that was true in the past but at least recently they've really begun offering lines that fit every level of golfer. They've got 9 ranges of irons to pick from and they're fairly easy to blend for a combo set.

MB
CB
T-MB
AP1
AP2
AP3
CP-01
CP-02
C16

They've also offered a "better player" club and a forgiving model in their hybrids, woods and drivers with the H1, H2, and the TS2, TS3, and now TS4 - and formerly D2 and D3 - in the woods and drivers, plus they offered a C16 driver.

Like I said previously, I'm not big on Titleist but I am mindful of what they're doing being a bit of a club geek.

Definitely agree on the ball thing. Know a few guys who swear by Titleist balls and won't even try anything else.

Historically Titleist equip can be hard to hit. For the averrage golfer. The tour pros are.a different. breed thats why they Dominate on tour. Plus they make the money off ball sales  not so much clubs so that is where the advertiseing dollars go. Think about it how many clubs to balls does the average player purchase each season
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There isn’t much more to add that hasn’t been said. Titleist has absolutely embraced the market and has evolved to fit a wide spectrum of golfers. I was on Titleist Staff from 2003-2006 when I was an apprentice. Not only was I satisfied with the product and custom offerings but our Rep was a top notch class act. Of all vendors, Titleist always had an exclusivity and prestige.

Need something? Drop of a hat it was there. Question about product? Call my flip phone. (It was pre-iPhone)

What we should say repeatedly about manufacturers? Try everything! The Titleist you’re familiar with from ten years ago isn’t the same company.


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