cnosil Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 After significant struggling for over a year with my short game I setup a lesson for today to try and get some things sorted out. Started on the driving range to get warmed up; mats only due to the rain. Things went pretty well on the range was able to hit the ball specific distances between 10-50 yards and temp was good. We talked a little bit about ball position, I thought I was center but he showed me I was way forward. At this point wasn't a big deal since he like what he saw. Moved out to the course to try some approach shots into a green. Started about 20 yards out and I was asked to describe what I wanted to do. He agreed with the strategy and I promptly chunked 3 straight shots. Correction number 1, move the ball back in stance which made an immediate improvement in ball striking. We moved around and I started getting used to the ball back position and more forward shaft lean. Hit some downhill shots which reinforced why ball back was important. Started working on hitting various landing spots with different length swings and determine that I have a tendency to get "lazy" with the swing, keep the hands too far in front and not release the club resulting in hitting the ball fat. we also discussed that having a fuller follow through might be more beneficial for me to help avoid the lazy swing and stopping early. After hitting some more shots we shifted a little more weight onto the front foot which helped even more. Next we discussed the clock technique and how I should establish a swing for the various distances which should help my game overall. He had me experiment with various length swings and we say the distance progression that we hoped for. After that we hit a few shots with varied trajectory, ball back and forward with same square face angle. Lots of good stuff crammed into about 45 minutes and I am eager to try the fixes on the course. Minimal changes, but learned that practicing on mats probably won't be helpful and that ball position is key. Going to evaluate my full swing for ball position as I may be playing the ball too far forward for most of my shots. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joen Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 42 minutes ago, cnosil said: After significant struggling for over a year with my short game I setup a lesson for today to try and get some things sorted out. Started on the driving range to get warmed up; mats only due to the rain. Things went pretty well on the range was able to hit the ball specific distances between 10-50 yards and temp was good. We talked a little bit about ball position, I thought I was center but he showed me I was way forward. At this point wasn't a big deal since he like what he saw. Moved out to the course to try some approach shots into a green. Started about 20 yards out and I was asked to describe what I wanted to do. He agreed with the strategy and I promptly chunked 3 straight shots. Correction number 1, move the ball back in stance which made an immediate improvement in ball striking. We moved around and I started getting used to the ball back position and more forward shaft lean. Hit some downhill shots which reinforced why ball back was important. Started working on hitting various landing spots with different length swings and determine that I have a tendency to get "lazy" with the swing, keep the hands too far in front and not release the club resulting in hitting the ball fat. we also discussed that having a fuller follow through might be more beneficial for me to help avoid the lazy swing and stopping early. After hitting some more shots we shifted a little more weight onto the front foot which helped even more. Next we discussed the clock technique and how I should establish a swing for the various distances which should help my game overall. He had me experiment with various length swings and we say the distance progression that we hoped for. After that we hit a few shots with varied trajectory, ball back and forward with same square face angle. Lots of good stuff crammed into about 45 minutes and I am eager to try the fixes on the course. Minimal changes, but learned that practicing on mats probably won't be helpful and that ball position is key. Going to evaluate my full swing for ball position as I may be playing the ball too far forward for most of my shots. Great stuff. Hope it helps. I have to ask because I am curious. Why won’t practicing on mats help? Too much bounce off a mat to tell if you had a good swing or not? G 400 driver with Aldila DVS 55-SR shaft (FAIRWAY FINDING MONSTER) Aero Burner 16 degree mini driver regular flex Rogue Heavenwood regular flex Icon/PTX Pro Combo Set. VKTR hybrid. Equalizer Wedges 50, 54, 58 degrees Odyssey Two Ball Triple Track Putter, 32 inches LAB Golf Directed Force 2.1 putter, 32 inches, 70 degree lie angle Right Handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, joen said: Great stuff. Hope it helps. I have to ask because I am curious. Why won’t practicing on mats help? Too much bounce off a mat to tell if you had a good swing or not? I tried to explain in my writeup. When I was hitting pitches off the practice mats, the appearance was that I was hitting the ball great. I was able to hit specific distances and the ball launched well. Contact sounded a little fat but nothing to severe. We went to to hole on the course and my first five shots were chucked and went about 15 feet. I really need that turf interaction to see if I am hitting it well. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Good stuff. Keep up with it. It gets even more fun when you start messing with it more. Sounds like you got the foundation down today. Stack a few more bricks on it, and work your way up to a cathedral. Your heart rate will increase for the good when you get a wedge in hand now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joen Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, cnosil said: I tried to explain in my writeup. When I was hitting pitches off the practice mats, the appearance was that I was hitting the ball great. I was able to hit specific distances and the ball launched well. Contact sounded a little fat but nothing to severe. We went to to hole on the course and my first five shots were chucked and went about 15 feet. I really need that turf interaction to see if I am hitting it well. That makes perfect sense now. After rereading your post, Maybe you did articulate it well, but perhaps my reading comprehension is third grade level. G 400 driver with Aldila DVS 55-SR shaft (FAIRWAY FINDING MONSTER) Aero Burner 16 degree mini driver regular flex Rogue Heavenwood regular flex Icon/PTX Pro Combo Set. VKTR hybrid. Equalizer Wedges 50, 54, 58 degrees Odyssey Two Ball Triple Track Putter, 32 inches LAB Golf Directed Force 2.1 putter, 32 inches, 70 degree lie angle Right Handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Yeah, I hate practicing any iron play off the mats. Very deceiving results. Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, CarlH said: Yeah, I hate practicing any iron play off the mats. Very deceiving results. Makes me wish I could carry a mat around in course though... I can usually tell when I hit shots fat off mats, but the results make you think hitting fat shots isn't as big of a deal as it is, so it messes with my mind. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Good work!! @cnosil I never expected you to need any short game lessons. Glad you are getting it figured out. Hitting off mats is OK if the practice is swing tempo, ball contact, and trajectory only. No distance work. I have a tendency to not hit the center of the club face, and using Dr Scholls foot powder works OK on mats. We have mats on the range at my course from late fall to early spring, but they remove them when the weather gets warmer. I don't do any short game shots on the range. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Kenny B said: Good work!! @cnosil I never expected you to need any short game lessons. Glad you are getting it figured out. Hitting off mats is OK if the practice is swing tempo, ball contact, and trajectory only. No distance work. I have a tendency to not hit the center of the club face, and using Dr Scholls foot powder works OK on mats. We have mats on the range at my course from late fall to early spring, but they remove them when the weather gets warmer. I don't do any short game shots on the range. My short game kills my rounds; I just got tired of and struggled trying to fix it myself. The instructor said my basic technique was good, just needed some ball position tweaks. Mats are fine for some things, but for me and what I need to work on the mats were masking the bad shots. His advice for me was to spend about 20 minutes during my practice sessions dialing in distances and that I would have a great short game in no time. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, cnosil said: My short game kills my rounds; My story, as well. Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 and me.......... Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 hours ago, cnosil said: My short game kills my rounds My short game defines my rounds. If my short game is normal, I will usually have a decent round; if it is really good, I have a great round; if bad, lousy round. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 Today I took my "new" short game to the course without having had time to practice. Contact was really good and I ended up past the hole more often that not; the benefit of good contact. Did have a few blunders, but that was due to lazy swings where I am leaving the clubhead behind my hands. Like what I am seeing, time to get to the course and work on distances. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 My practice and lessons chipping paid off today. I got up and down very well today. Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I've done a couple lessons now on short game with two different coaches. The first one I went to really opened my eyes on how lucky I was to even be hitting the ball well as my swing was seriously in-to-out putting me at risk of non-stop hosel rockets. Somehow I always managed it okay though, but no wonder why I had trouble predicting what the shot would do. My most recent lesson was to resolve some bunker issues - now that I've corrected path, I have a hard time getting the club to enter the sand at the right spot without feeling like I'm going to dig. Good on you for getting someone with experienced and trained eyes to help you. Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 4:08 PM, cnosil said: Contact was really good and I ended up past the hole more often that not; the benefit of good contact. WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I've been doing a LOT of chipping and pitching practice .. off a mat .. in the garage. Like Kenny mentioned it's not perfect but it's very good for working to ingrain better technicals. Plus the repetitions help build the confidence to execute those better movements when out on the course. And as GB13 mentioned after a while you'll find yourself getting more sensitive to where/when you make contact of ball vs mat, too. So practice practice practice and then get out there and go for it! WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Forgot to mention this gem (came to me compliments of KCLeo ) - PowerUp Wedge. Mix it in to the practice routine every now and then - it helps! WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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