PMookie Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 So many folks try to say they hit a drive a certain distance based off the numbers they see on a tee marker, or what’s on the scorecard, and subtract the distance left to the green from fairway markers. Well, here’s photo evidence of why that doesn’t work! The tee marker says 513 from Blue (pic 1). You can see in pic 2 (standing at the marker) that the tee is up quite a bit. My cart was parked even with the blue tee marker, and the ACTUAL distance shows 450! So, you hit your drive from the Blues, and you have 200 left. Some would claim, “I hit my drive 313 yards!!!” Nope. You hit it 250............ You’re welcome. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro tony@CIC, Miketheripper, cksurfdude and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miketheripper Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I agree 100%, I bought a GPS unit about a year ago and it's been great for determining my yardages to the green from the fairways or the trees, but it totally burst my bubble as to how far I actually hit the ball off the tee on the long par 4s and 5s. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk PMookie and tony@CIC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Is the GPS doing straight line yardage and the marker going down the fairway?Sent from my Pixel 3 using MyGolfSpy mobile app tony@CIC, SuperDave and sixcat 3 Quote Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Yep. Ever since I got a range finder, I see at least a hole on every course that is much shorter than the stated yardage. And that doesn't include courses that move the tees up. A course in my area does the latter a lot. They have 4 boxes. The blue are always back, but the white are mostly up a box with the gold. The original men's tee is usually not used. Lots of courses do that on weekends to speed play. Sent from my SM-G935P using MyGolfSpy mobile app tony@CIC and GolfSpy MPR 2 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 That’s somewhat obvious and as long as I’ve been playing everyone I know checks the tee where the actual marker is to see if playing longer or shorter. the less obvious is how the hole was measured. There are courses I’ve played that were measured at angles that differ from the hole layout TR1PTIK, cksurfdude, tony@CIC and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 Is the GPS doing straight line yardage and the marker going down the fairway?Sent from my Pixel 3 using MyGolfSpy mobile appWhether it is straight line or going down the fairway, the pictures show the tee is way-up ahead of the marker. Either way, it’s playing significantly shorter than stated on the marker or scorecard. Either way it’s measured, it’s still 53 yards shorter.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro tony@CIC and gaussman1 2 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 That’s somewhat obvious and as long as I’ve been playing everyone I know checks the tee where the actual marker is to see if playing longer or shorter. the less obvious is how the hole was measured. There are courses I’ve played that were measured at angles that differ from the hole layout You’d think it would be obvious... I’ve played with three guys that saw how short a hole played, but STILL referenced the scorecard when determining how far they had hit a ball. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro cksurfdude, tony@CIC and GolfSpy MPR 2 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 The thing to keep in mind is that GPS will give you direct line to to point of interest (hole, bunker, water) and cut the corner in all doglegs. The scorecard measure is generally down the middle on the path the hike was intended to be played. You also have to consider that tee boxes are moved up and back so as already stated using the distance to the hole does not always give correct distance for how far you hit a shot off the tee gaussman1, cksurfdude, DannyDips and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 The thing to keep in mind is that GPS will give you direct line to to point of interest (hole, bunker, water) and cut the corner in all doglegs. The scorecard measure is generally down the middle on the path the hike was intended to be played. You also have to consider that tee boxes are moved up and back so as already stated using the distance to the hole does not always give correct distance for how far you hit a shot off the tee My club is the only place where I’ve ever played where a number of holes register longer on GPS than the card - always. It’s because the made errors in measuring some holes when the course was laid out and it’s never been changed on the signs - the handicap team adjusted course ratings for it when they were here 3 years ago to reassess the course rating and slope from all tees.Of course the inaccurate holes are the long par 4’s 1, 8, 9, 18. And yes PMookie is correct that many people over estimate their distances by simply going off the card and failing to account for tees being moved up or doglegs. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy cnosil, tony@CIC, djahubes and 1 other 4 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palvord Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 This does bring in the benefits of Arccos and ShotScope. It is really difficult to say that you hit a drive of 313yds when the system just measures the distance between hits. Cold hard facts. revkev, tony@CIC, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Project X EvenFlow 60 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: Maxfli TourX Rangefinder: LX5 Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 This does bring in the benefits of Arccos and ShotScope. It is really difficult to say that you hit a drive of 313yds when the system just measures the distance between hits. Cold hard facts.Facts - don’t bother me with them man!Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy palvord 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 9:27 AM, PMookie said: You’d think it would be obvious... I’ve played with three guys that saw how short a hole played, but STILL referenced the scorecard when determining how far they had hit a ball. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro The same guys that take "a muliigan a side" dont take correct stroke and distance penalties, are liberal in picking up those 3 footers, and at the end show 88 on their scorecard when in fact it was probably closer to 103....you mean those guys. But hey if they are just playing for fun, then no biggie. But if we're playing a match for even a Coke.....then not cool. tony@CIC, silver & black, PMookie and 1 other 4 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 9:20 AM, palvord said: This does bring in the benefits of Arccos and ShotScope. It is really difficult to say that you hit a drive of 313yds when the system just measures the distance between hits. Cold hard facts. I haven’t used arccos or any other dvice like it on a club but in my understanding the problem I have with them is they measure total distance. This can give a false sense of distance. If it says one hits their 7i 160 yards but really it’s 152 with 8 yards of roll out and the person needs to carry something at 160 they will think need their 7 then hit, come up short and potentially roll into trouble they are going to be upset and may even complain they didn’t hit a good shot even though they hit their normal shot. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightsofnii Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 If a hole has a brick at the tee that says "official yardage marker", subtract that off how far up the tee is from it. If a hole has sticks that show distance from the green, are they to the middle or to the hole? That would be a question for the staff. My course has permanent markers in the ground. I would imagine that with the official marker brick, the tee, and the other concrete yardage markers, one could estimate to within 2-3 yds what the actual distance of the tee shot was. Am I missing something? Thnaks silver & black and tony@CIC 2 Quote RADspeed 10.5, Evenflow Riptide CB 6.0s Bio Cell 3/4w, PXV 6.0s; AMP 3h 19deg Aldila RIP R. Bio Cell 4h 22.5deg PXV R. 2021/22 T200 5-7, T100 8-P (bent 1deg strong), LZ 5.5 CBX-2 50/11 ATV 56/16deg Impact No.3 Align putter Caddie for tracking. Pro V1X balls Previous forum tests: 2019: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Plus 4 grips, Lynx Black Cat 5-PW. 2020: LX5 Watch. 2021: Impact #3 Align putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/24/2019 at 6:35 AM, RickyBobby_PR said: I haven’t used arccos or any other dvice like it on a club but in my understanding the problem I have with them is they measure total distance. This can give a false sense of distance. If it says one hits their 7i 160 yards but really it’s 152 with 8 yards of roll out and the person needs to carry something at 160 they will think need their 7 then hit, come up short and potentially roll into trouble they are going to be upset and may even complain they didn’t hit a good shot even though they hit their normal shot. I agree, but it is also player dependent. I've used the data collected by Game Golf to determine how far I hit each club, and launch monitor data puts me within 5 yards of carry distance at most. In other words, I can get the ball up and put enough spin on it to stop quickly for most of my irons. It will also depend too on course conditions, but my experience has led me to believe I can trust the data is accurate enough. Excellent point though. There are plenty of golfers with a low ball flight or that play distance balls that make it more difficult to stop where you want it. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesedw Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 After using the Arccos system last season, you do need to also remember that it is an average for you clubs. It does give you your club range i.e. 7i 145-160. So you as a golfer have to be realistic with yourself otherwise you can and will be off on distances and carry..Sent from my SM-G900V using MyGolfSpy mobile app tony@CIC 1 Quote Dave- Follow me on twitter @GolfCrazyWA and on Instagram @GolfcrazyWA WITB: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag Titleist TSR3 Hzrdus Black 65g shaft Cobra F8+ 3wd Hzrdus Red 65g shaft Cobra 3 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra 4 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra F8 irons 5-GW KBS tour 90 stiff shafts Cobra King Black Wedge 54* Cleveland RTX Zipcore Wedge 58* Snake Eyes Viper Putter. Ball: Taylormade TP-5X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, knightsofnii said: If a hole has a brick at the tee that says "official yardage marker", subtract that off how far up the tee is from it. If a hole has sticks that show distance from the green, are they to the middle or to the hole? That would be a question for the staff. My course has permanent markers in the ground. I would imagine that with the official marker brick, the tee, and the other concrete yardage markers, one could estimate to within 2-3 yds what the actual distance of the tee shot was. Am I missing something? Thnaks For a straight hole this works quite well. The issue about distance comes into play when you cut corners on holes with doglegs. Those official distances are based on playing the "normal" path to the hole. Lets say you have a 400 yard hole that doglegs 90* left. The spot that the hole turns left is 100 yards from the hole based on the marker and the fairway is 30 yards wide at that point. Two players hit tee shots from the official marker brick that says 400. Both tee shots are even with the 100 yard marker from the hole. When looking at the hole, one player is on the left edge of the fairway and one is on the right edge. Did they both hit the ball 300 yards? tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Yup, agree. I've noted that a number of times trying to use the scorecard only - often suggesting a much longer drive than it is. My Golf Buddy Voice 2 has a function that measures hit length and it is pretty accurate. Yesterday I flushed a drive that the three devices we had among us measured to be 292-299 yards. Wind at our back and caught the dry downslope. Using the permanent marker at the tee, and subtracting what GB said was remaining to center of green yielded 293 - so in this case pretty accurate. PMookie and tony@CIC 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrodeur86 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Yes 100% true. We have a hole, #14, which says it plays 488 yards. I hit my drive up to the blue 200 yard marker and think I hit it 288 yards. I take my range finder and measure it to the number of 232 yards. Than we talk about golfers thinking they hit the ball a certain distance lolSent from my VTR-L09 using MyGolfSpy mobile app tony@CIC and PMookie 2 Quote DRIVER: Stealth 2, 9* Upright setting, Mitsubishi Kai' Li red, 60g Stiff flex, New grip coming Woods: Sim Max 3 Wood, 15*, Fujikura Ventus 6 Blue 65g, Stiff flex, New grip coming HYBRIDS: JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, New grip coming IRONS: MP-20 HMB 4 iron, Project X LZ 6.5 shaft, Stiff+, Ping Midsize grip JPX 919 Tour 5i-pw, Project X LZ 6.5 shafts, Stiff+, Ping Midsize grips WEDGES: New Level Golf 50*, 55*, 60* M-Type Wedges with True Temper Elevate Tour X-Stiff flex, New Level Midsize grips PUTTER: Heppler Ketsch 35", Ping PP62 Pistol Grip BALL: Pro V1 (2021 + 2023 Versions) BAG: TM19 Select Plus Cart Bag Shoes: Under Armour HOVR Fade 2 SL Spikeless Shoes Tech: NX7 Pro Slope golf laser Rangefinder Frogger Golf Towels, 4 more Yard blue/ yellow golf tees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfinnut Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Never judge the distance by the card ... whether it's for "how far you hit that one off the tee" or "how far is this hole." The official distance is usually measured from the "official" USGA placquerd disc by every tee box to the middle of the green to get the yardage on the card. Tee markers are moved every day so as to not wear out the same spot on the tee box. Why do you think you see the Pro's & their caddies on TV stepping off the distance from the USGA marker to where the tee markers are now sitting? To get the actual yardage, to add or subtract from the official distance of the hole. There are too many things out there to help you with distance nowadays. From GPS units on carts, to your pocket rangefinder, and the handheld GPS units. These you can actually hit a button from where you're standing (mark) and then hit it again once you get to where your ball is (2nd Mark). If distance is really your concern, then this is what you need. Back in my day of growing up playing, hell .... I had to walk things off, look at the red, white & blue markers in the fairway to get my yardages. I never really cared how far it went from the tee box, I was too concerned with the next more important shot at hand. cnosil and romeopapazulu 2 Quote WITB: Do I like Titleist or what? Driver: TSR3 9* UST Mamiya Proto LIN-Q Blue Fairways: TSi2 UST Mamiya LIN-Q Blue 13.5* Driving Iron: U500 17* Blue Ventus HB Velocore Irons: T350 4 & 5, T200 6 - PW UST Mamiya Recoil Dart F4 105g Wedges: SM6 48*, SM9 52*, SM8 56* Modus Tour Wedge Putter: Newport 2 w/ Garsen Ultimate grip Ball: *ProV1 Left Dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumdog Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I don't really listen or care what other players say about their drive lengths. It all comes down to the correct score on the card. When I hear guys say, "I hit that drive XXX yards", I just smile and nod. I rely heavily on my laser to give me the yardage to my target. My concern is where am I going to hit the drive to give me the best chance of getting on the green in regulation so I have a birdie putt. The internet is full of Long Drive Champions. Quote Driver: Callaway GBB Epic 9.0* 3-Wd: Taylormade M1-3HL Hybrid: Taylormade Superfast 2.0 - 18* Irons: Callaway Apex CF-19 5-PW Wedges: Cleveland 50, 56, 58 Putter: Taylormade Ghost Spider Ball : Callaway Chrome Soft Yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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