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Depending on what specifics you are looking for, a club maker should be able to make any change an OEM can make for you.


But that would require buying one, not knowing any specs other than length, and then going to get fitted ($), then paying for a new shaft ($), grip ($), etc ($). It ends up costing me as much as anything else. Too much hassle. Anyway, nothing against the putter at all, just as I stated, I’m not buying a putter off-the-rack. I’ll roll one when I go to Dick’s just for fun.



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In an extremely UN-scientific test over the winter I'd gone into a PGATSS and tried a few different EvnRoll models vs my then-current putter ... I ended up picking the ER5 (33", 385g head - which I didn't even buy there, picked up a like new used off Budget Golf).

It's nice to see the "validation" that I made a smart choice, but even if it finished DL in the MGS rankings I'd be using it, it's working well for me and I'm comfortable with it 👍

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There was a video a year ago, or so, that Adam did that said one should only use a putter that has face-tech, as evidenced by the Ping and Evnroll wins. With the Juno and TA winning this year, it seems that face-tech isn’t as crucial anymore.


I know the video you are referring to. I still think face tech is beneficial for long term performance gains. The TM putters did redesign their pure roll insert so there is some claim of an insert that Tries to improve the roll.

What we don’t see in the results is miss dispersion/speed control. In these two 30 foot putt scenarios which putter would you pick:

1. No makes with all missed putts stopping within 1 foot of the hole both shot and long and all second putts made.

2. 1 make and missed putts are within 3 feet both short and long of the hole and all second putts made.

I personally would lean toward scenario 1. The make isn’t as important as the lack of distance control. I have as much as 6 feet of difference at the distance. The example now starts looking at the benefit of face tech and fitting.

I can assure you that the scenarios I described above are real as they happened to me during the testing. During the blade and mallet testing I had 1 3 putt and everything else was 2 putts or less and I had to make a few 3+ footers for the second putt.
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But that would require buying one, not knowing any specs other than length, and then going to get fitted ($), then paying for a new shaft ($), grip ($), etc ($). It ends up costing me as much as anything else. Too much hassle. Anyway, nothing against the putter at all, just as I stated, I’m not buying a putter off-the-rack. I’ll roll one when I go to Dick’s just for fun.

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Not disagreeing with you, but it is an option. Also the MGS tests are about off the rack stock non upgraded clubs which is what most people purchase. Fitting brings new variables into the testing.

 

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2 hours ago, cnosil said:

 


I know the video you are referring to. I still think face tech is beneficial for long term performance gains. The TM putters did redesign their pure roll insert so there is some claim of an insert that Tries to improve the roll.

What we don’t see in the results is miss dispersion/speed control. In these two 30 foot putt scenarios which putter would you pick:

1. No makes with all missed putts stopping within 1 foot of the hole both shot and long and all second putts made.

2. 1 make and missed putts are within 3 feet both short and long of the hole and all second putts made.

I personally would lean toward scenario 1. The make isn’t as important as the lack of distance control. I have as much as 6 feet of difference at the distance. The example now starts looking at the benefit of face tech and fitting.

I can assure you that the scenarios I described above are real as they happened to me during the testing. During the blade and mallet testing I had 1 3 putt and everything else was 2 putts or less and I had to make a few 3+ footers for the second putt.

 

Can I assume that the testing is on basically flat surface with very little break?  What about direction of putts?  Are putts made in two directions?  I am asking because some surfaces have different speeds in opposite directions.

6 feet of difference from 30 feet seems like a lot to me.  I would be disappointed with that.  I assume that was with your not-so-favorite putter.

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Went and rolled some of these guys at the local PGASS over lunch. All of them except the winner since the closest DSG is 20 minutes from work. 

I liked the new and old ER5 a lot, I didn't notice a whole lot of difference in either though for me, Rolled what I thought was the new Ping Sigma Tyne and absolutely fell in love. Rolled it for a good 20 minutes, Distance control is incredible with this thing. I used to say I used my Top Flite because it didn't matter what putter I used until I improved...Now I'm thinking a way to improve is by getting a new putter...😅

Also turns out that was last years Sigma Tyne...not this years..

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3 hours ago, cnosil said:

I personally would lean toward scenario 1*. The make isn’t as important as the lack of distance control.

* All putts w/in 1 ft.

Totally agree! For me, Distance control is key - I'll take tap-in 2 putts all day vs having to work to avoid 3 putts...

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3 hours ago, Kenny B said:

Can I assume that the testing is on basically flat surface with very little break?  What about direction of putts?  Are putts made in two directions?  I am asking because some surfaces have different speeds in opposite directions.

6 feet of difference from 30 feet seems like a lot to me.  I would be disappointed with that.  I assume that was with your not-so-favorite putter.

It is basically a flat surface and we roll the putts in one direction.   I have putted both ways on the surface and the speed is pretty equal in both directions.

I probably exaggerated a little on the distance disparity to better illustrate my point.  We only putt from 20 as the longest,  I did have a couple of putts with close to that miss distance.  The really short ones were the result of a really bad stroke and the  long a reaction to leaving putts short due to a not so hot face.   Rolling all the putters does give you a good feel for how they would perform on the course.  Some faces are hotter and some not so much.  You do start to notice a trend with individual putters.  I try to make the same stroke length and tempo with each stroke but sometimes when you see a long or short putt you make adjustments.  some putters you just struggle with at certain distances.  One I felt like I rolled the ball well at 10 and 20 feet,  but it was really hot off the face and either I made the 5 footer or blew it by the hole becuase I couldn't get a feel for that short of a stroke length due to the design of the putter. 

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3 hours ago, bardle said:

Went and rolled some of these guys at the local PGASS over lunch. All of them except the winner since the closest DSG is 20 minutes from work. 

I liked the new and old ER5 a lot, I didn't notice a whole lot of difference in either though for me, Rolled what I thought was the new Ping Sigma Tyne and absolutely fell in love. Rolled it for a good 20 minutes, Distance control is incredible with this thing. I used to say I used my Top Flite because it didn't matter what putter I used until I improved...Now I'm thinking a way to improve is by getting a new putter...😅

Also turns out that was last years Sigma Tyne...not this years..

I haven't rolled the new Ping Sigma 2, but I can't imagine it being any better than my Sigma G.  I didn't like any of the Evnroll putters when I was at the PGATSS, but I made everything with the Ping at Ping HQ when I was fitted.  A good putter that fits and feels good will certainly save strokes.

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

It is basically a flat surface and we roll the putts in one direction.   I have putted both ways on the surface and the speed is pretty equal in both directions.

I probably exaggerated a little on the distance disparity to better illustrate my point.  We only putt from 20 as the longest,  I did have a couple of putts with close to that miss distance.  The really short ones were the result of a really bad stroke and the  long a reaction to leaving putts short due to a not so hot face.   Rolling all the putters does give you a good feel for how they would perform on the course.  Some faces are hotter and some not so much.  You do start to notice a trend with individual putters.  I try to make the same stroke length and tempo with each stroke but sometimes when you see a long or short putt you make adjustments.  some putters you just struggle with at certain distances.  One I felt like I rolled the ball well at 10 and 20 feet,  but it was really hot off the face and either I made the 5 footer or blew it by the hole becuase I couldn't get a feel for that short of a stroke length due to the design of the putter. 

I'm not sure that I could switch putters like that.  Maybe if I did one putter a day and had an hour warmup with it.

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Not at all surprised. I am a guy that sucker'd myself into buying an expensive custom built putter. Why? Just because I guess. I putted great before the buy with a $39 putter. I putt just as good with the $ouch$ putter. No difference and nobody was impressed either. LOL

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2 hours ago, Kenny B said:

I'm not sure that I could switch putters like that.  Maybe if I did one putter a day and had an hour warmup with it.

Most sessions are 6-8 putters and the look can vary widely for each putter.  At least with blades they are somewhat similar,  but with mallets the designs vary greatly.   Generally I warmup with one of the collection of putters that are on the wall just to get a feel for the distances.  No practice putts before you start with a new test putter so you may be surprised at how far the ball goes withe the first putt.   Most putters are pretty close in distance, but you do find a few that will throw you for a loop and that is when you start getting the distance gaps.   

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2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Most sessions are 6-8 putters and the look can vary widely for each putter.  At least with blades they are somewhat similar,  but with mallets the designs vary greatly.   Generally I warmup with one of the collection of putters that are on the wall just to get a feel for the distances.  No practice putts before you start with a new test putter so you may be surprised at how far the ball goes withe the first putt.   Most putters are pretty close in distance, but you do find a few that will throw you for a loop and that is when you start getting the distance gaps.   

No practice putts!! Ouch!  That 6 foot range is starting to look pretty good now.  😀

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Based on last year’s numbers I picked one up in July. My putting improved instantly. This one will probably be in my bag for a very long time.


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Hmm might be getting a new putter here soon..can't beat that price and lord knows I could use the help. 


It’s a great putter.


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On 3/29/2019 at 10:52 AM, cnosil said:


No seemores in the test. I was surprised that the spider x wasn’t higher.

Guess who's bagging a Spider X? 😉   🕷️

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Guess who's bagging a Spider X?    


It is on my serious consider list. I pick it up every time I go to do testing or see it in a store. It just feels really good. I want to do some head to head comparisons against a slant neck #7 and see who comes out on top.
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3 hours ago, cnosil said:

 


It is on my serious consider list. I pick it up every time I go to do testing or see it in a store. It just feels really good. I want to do some head to head comparisons against a slant neck #7 and see who comes out on top.

 

It puts a really smooth roll on the ball and I like the look at setup which inspires confidence. I may go with a larger super stroke grip however that will be after the honey moon period. Mine is the blue one and it's one sharp looking putter! 😍

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12 hours ago, cnosil said:

 


It is on my serious consider list. I pick it up every time I go to do testing or see it in a store. It just feels really good. I want to do some head to head comparisons against a slant neck #7 and see who comes out on top.

 

The #7 style putter has always been one of my favorites.   The new Odyssey #7 would definitely be something I wouldn't mine putting to the test.    

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Made it to DSS and rolled this thing. Was basically a wasted trip. I like the weight on it and it feels good on contact but the putting green is so small and shaggy at DSS that I have no clue how good the thing actually putts. They have heavy security devices on every other putter so the weight is weird so I can't compare it either....

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