TrueGolfFit and the Sub70 839D

GolfSpy Barbajo · March 31, 2019

So about a week ago I decided to check out TrueGolfFit and how the new 2019 drivers might fit me. I put in the appropriate information and was really surprised to see this as my top recommended driver promising an astonishing 14 more yards.

I tweeted that out and wound up getting a private message from Sub70 asking me if I wanted to give one a try. Hell yes!

So on this week’s trip to Chicago and Iowa I made the detour to Sycamore IL this morning to Sub70 HQ. It’s a nondescript warehouse just outside of downtown (it’s a very small town) that also houses Diamond Tour Golf and Hurricane Golf.

The owner of all three, Jason Hilland, met me to let me Demo my TrueGolfFit it felt like a Tinder blind date (with the driver, not with Jason).

Anyway, I had just driven 2.5 hours from Dubuque, so it took a while to get loose, and came up with this as my best:

Later today, while waiting at the airport to come home, I looked up my ShotScope driving stats for last year...

Holy crap - 14 yards on the button.

Compared some of the other numbers from TrueGolfFit to reality - Spin was really close - TGF came in around 140 RPM lower, so that’s basically a wash; launch angle was 12 degrees with TGF, and 16 degrees in reality (we did loft up) and balls speeds were close - 139 with TGF, 142 in reality.

I expected the driver to perform well for me - but the accuracy floored me. Tells me the math behind TGF is pretty serious.

True, this is my best shot of the session, but given there was no real warm up and that I haven’t played any real golf in nearly two months, I’m going to go out on a limb and assume with warmup, practice and consistent play I can duplicate that swing most of the time.

By comparison, on Thursday at Tour Edge I was hitting the EXS driver very nicely, maxing out at 255. I’d be happy gaming either one, but I liked the flight and spin of the Sub70.

Next on the To Do list is get some numbers with the Wilson Cortex and my old Mizuno JPX 900-which I love - and a Honma I picked up at the PGA Tour SuperStore to see what makes the traveling team.

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Kenny B · March 31, 2019

NICE!!

Since you know what a Tinder blind date is like, could you please elaborate?

MattF · March 31, 2019

Good one John. My TGF experience wasn't quite as successful as yours, but it is what it is.

GolfSpy Barbajo · March 31, 2019

14 hours ago, Kenny B said:

NICE!!

Since you know what a Tinder blind date is like, could you please elaborate?

Heh heh heh --- all I can say is everything I know about Tinder comes from Sam Robinon....he's the Tinder-King

GolfSpyC · April 1, 2019

Great work here Barba! TrueGolfFit flat out works. I tried entering a couple of different parameters and it kept coming back to 2-3 models, which are absolutely in the top tier for me. I could happily game any of three, so we're going to go with whichever one has the tightest dispersion.

Rtracymog · April 1, 2019

Never heard of the PX Silver shaft before. Is that a made for?

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GolfSpy Barbajo · April 1, 2019

6 hours ago, Rtracymog said:

Never heard of the PX Silver shaft before. Is that a made for?

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I'd bet the ranch against a made-for -- Sub70 isn't big enough to do a made-for. My guess is it's an older model - I had a PING i20 3-wood that, as best I can recall, had a similar shaft. In any event, it's a high kick-point, lower launching and spinning shaft. It seemed to work well enough in conjunction with the head.

Funny thing - the driver I demoed was actually Jason's gamer. He told me when he saw my TFG results that he and I probably had a very similar swing DNA. Turned out to be correct - quick transition, 97-100 mph swing speed, fighting high launch and spin.

It still amazes me that by asking 3 simple questions, TrueGolfFit is able to find your golf clone from its test pool and match you up with a driver that will fit you well. That Data stuff is real.

And I'm impressed with what Sub70 is trying to do -- premium equipment and direct-to-consumer pricing. Jason has the setup to make it work. He has 20 years worth of connections with Chinese manufacturing, and he collaborates with their R&D people on designs. While they're not AI-level innovation nor cutting edge technology of the future, the stuff is pretty good, especially for the price.

The driver is $249 - fully adjustable with moveable weights, titanium construction with a variable thickness face. If yards-per-dollar is your decision-making matrix, it would be hard to beat this one.

Rtracymog · April 1, 2019

I'd bet the ranch against a made-for -- Sub70 isn't big enough to do a made-for. My guess is it's an older model - I had a PING i20 3-wood that, as best I can recall, had a similar shaft. In any event, it's a high kick-point, lower launching and spinning shaft. It seemed to work well enough in conjunction with the head.
Funny thing - the driver I demoed was actually Jason's gamer. He told me when he saw my TFG results that he and I probably had a very similar swing DNA. Turned out to be correct - quick transition, 97-100 mph swing speed, fighting high launch and spin.
It still amazes me that by asking 3 simple questions, TrueGolfFit is able to find your golf clone from its test pool and match you up with a driver that will fit you well. That Data stuff is real.
And I'm impressed with what Sub70 is trying to do -- premium equipment and direct-to-consumer pricing. Jason has the setup to make it work. He has 20 years worth of connections with Chinese manufacturing, and he collaborates with their R&D people on designs. While they're not AI-level innovation nor cutting edge technology of the future, the stuff is pretty good, especially for the price.
The driver is $249 - fully adjustable with moveable weights, titanium construction with a variable thickness face. If yards-per-dollar is your decision-making matrix, it would be hard to beat this one.

Thanks! I couldn’t find any info on it and had never heard of it before, so I was curious.

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GolfSub70 · April 15, 2019

On 4/1/2019 at 6:37 AM, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

I'd bet the ranch against a made-for -- Sub70 isn't big enough to do a made-for. My guess is it's an older model - I had a PING i20 3-wood that, as best I can recall, had a similar shaft. In any event, it's a high kick-point, lower launching and spinning shaft. It seemed to work well enough in conjunction with the head.

Sorry guys just saw this thread. The Sub 70 graphite shafts are made specifically for our company. Our owner, Jason, has been on the equipment side of the business for 20+ years and has a fantastic relationship with the guys at True Temper. He contacted them maybe two years ago to discuss what we were doing and to ask if they'd be interested in creating three shafts that they thought would work best for our driver and fairway woods. They came up with three profiles under the ProjectX name and got them sent out to us...and we then tested those as we tested our prototype heads as well. Of course we can get pretty much any graphite shaft out there if someone is interested, but the guys at True Temper/Project X felt that those three options would work for the large majority of golfers

GolfSpy Barbajo · April 16, 2019

13 hours ago, GolfSub70 said:

Sorry guys just saw this thread. The Sub 70 graphite shafts are made specifically for our company. Our owner, Jason, has been on the equipment side of the business for 20+ years and has a fantastic relationship with the guys at True Temper. He contacted them maybe two years ago to discuss what we were doing and to ask if they'd be interested in creating three shafts that they thought would work best for our driver and fairway woods. They came up with three profiles under the ProjectX name and got them sent out to us...and we then tested those as we tested our prototype heads as well. Of course we can get pretty much any graphite shaft out there if someone is interested, but the guys at True Temper/Project X felt that those three options would work for the large majority of golfers

Looks like I lose the ranch!

Thanks for chiming in - that head-shaft combo seemed to work well for me. Can't wait to give it a whack or two for real...

GolfSub70 · April 16, 2019

1 hour ago, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

Looks like I lose the ranch!

Thanks for chiming in - that head-shaft combo seemed to work well for me. Can't wait to give it a whack or two for real...

Definitely can't blame anyone for thinking it is a re-purposed shaft with a new paint job...obviously that's been going on for years and it would probably make sense from a cost stand point. I can't seem to track down the exact shaft specs (torque, etc) but I know we have them. If I can find them I'll share them here and maybe someone can find some comps for each model.

M. Parsons · April 16, 2019

Nice little right up. I haven't tried the TFG yet, as I'm not in the market for a Driver right now, but will probably give it a shot when I am. BTW, how much business do you think those other 2 companies are gonna pull in now? Very smart on their part to have you come in.