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On 4/26/2019 at 12:06 AM, PING Apologist #9 said:

No baseball. No Softball. No Sh**! "Learn it. Know it. Live it....Time to hit the range..!!😎

After my normal warm-up, I started in with my nemesis...Driver🤬. Actually had some decent hits, but then realized..."Hey! You're trying to be too precise!" "Wind-up, be loose and let go dummy!"

Started feeling it and got some Mojo working on a perfect wind-less night. The shots just started coming and I began to hit the center of the face and began to just whip some of them off...

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230... 230... 264...251....242.....241...….258...…...270........!

YES!!!!!🤩

I then pulled my G400 and un-corked several with it too...217...228...229...221...208...242...248...254

I can honestly say I've never had a driver shot go more than 240 before...EVER! My new-found grip along with a proper hip-flip has shown me something...distance.... and with both clubs! This battle for supremacy is ON!!! I finally had the chance to actually compare my two drivers side-by-side for real and took full advantage of it.

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Tonight's conclusion? For once I am confident that I've gathered some valuable and tangible data that is easy to disseminate.The G410 was a true monster and I felt that it easily won the night in performance over my G400. I gave everything I had to the 400, but it just couldn't seem to keep up. I've never...EVER recorded a shot of 270 before, and yet there it was!🎆 The difference in average? 230 vs. 248!! This 410 has some real pop and so far, it appears to be holding up to PING's claims of being "better". I'm drinking the Cool-Aid now...🤪

More to come fellow spies. Cheers all!

This, along with the crappy weather, isn't helping my wallet. Currently hanging out on carslgolfland.com looking at options for a g410, despite me hitting my g400 very well...haha

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So how many of you testers are going to test the LST when it's available? For those who are loving and getting along well, do you think you would benefit from a few less RPMs? Especially you high speed dudes like @jlukes?

 

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12 minutes ago, yungkory said:

So how many of you testers are going to test the LST when it's available? For those who are loving and getting along well, do you think you would benefit from a few less RPMs? Especially you high speed dudes like @jlukes?

 

I'd be lying if I said I didn't think about it. If it's anything like the LST 3 wood where it's lower spin but not a knuckle ball machine than I'll definitely see if I can find a LST driver head at some point. 

If it's too low spin it would only accentuate my hook miss and that would be no Bueno for me. The high floaty right miss I get with the G410 Plus is still very playable and we all know golf is a game of misses 

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Do any of you guys fight a push or fade? Can this club help with that?


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Really enjoying the journey with the testing, thinking that I really need to get fit for  this driver. I believe that there is a fitting day coming up locally very soon. Will be very interested to see what it feels like for my swing.

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32 minutes ago, Mick Close said:

Really enjoying the journey with the testing, thinking that I really need to get fit for  this driver. I believe that there is a fitting day coming up locally very soon. Will be very interested to see what it feels like for my swing.

Mick, 

Make sure they have Trackman to help you in the selection process. I have been to fittings at our course and others where it's more look and feel vs. data.  I knew prior to my fitting that the Trackman data was important  but not to  the degree that i saw in my fitting. As I stated in an earlier post, I ended up in a shaft which was out of the norm for my swing speed and cut down by 3/4" to boot. i also thought that the Ping 410 plus head might be better suited for me with the adjustable weight. But the data proved otherwise. $250. for the full bag fitting was money well spent! 

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11 hours ago, yungkory said:

So how many of you testers are going to test the LST when it's available? For those who are loving and getting along well, do you think you would benefit from a few less RPMs? Especially you high speed dudes like @jlukes?

 

Not in the least. I'm pleased where I'm at. I appreciate the fact that LST is gonna be a great driver and will make a lot of people happy. But I'm going to embrace the "set it and forget it" mentality since 410+ is working so well for me. 

 

10 hours ago, Wedgie said:

Do any of you guys fight a push or fade? Can this club help with that?


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I've found the best results come when I embrace the push/fade. That's when it flies the straightest and longest. If I try to force it otherwise, I hit a foul ball left. These may be famous last words, but I've yet to send one sailing wide right even when I put a swing on it that felt like it should've done that. Take the FWIW. 

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56 minutes ago, Mick Close said:

Really enjoying the journey with the testing, thinking that I really need to get fit for  this driver. I believe that there is a fitting day coming up locally very soon. Will be very interested to see what it feels like for my swing.

If it is an an PING Fitting Day with the rep in attendance, he will have a trackman and full assortment of shafts.   #FittingMatters

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10 hours ago, Wedgie said:

Do any of you guys fight a push or fade? Can this club help with that?


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My natural shot is a fade.  My big miss is a pull hook, when I try to compensate for the fade a bit.   With the 410+ set to draw, i don't really slice this much (when I do, it's becasue I've come completely out of the shot and nothing is going to stop that)   The draw setting hasn't and won't turn a fade into a draw, that's up to you to do, but it does help keep those pushes to the right on the right side of the fairway as opposed to the rough.  

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3 hours ago, GolfSpy STUDque said:

Not in the least. I'm pleased where I'm at. I appreciate the fact that LST is gonna be a great driver and will make a lot of people happy. But I'm going to embrace the "set it and forget it" mentality since 410+ is working so well for me. 

Good to see you adhere to the Ronco school of golf club buying Stud.

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I've found the best results come when I embrace the push/fade. That's when it flies the straightest and longest. If I try to force it otherwise, I hit a foul ball left. These may be famous last words, but I've yet to send one sailing wide right even when I put a swing on it that felt like it should've done that. Take the FWIW. 
There's how I feel about the Flash, but I'm not strong willed enough to follow thru with not tinkering. I have a problem with the "forget it" part.

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Round Recap - May 8th

I installed my Arccos sensors the previous night and wanted to get out for 9 holes the next afternoon.  We got over an inch of rain the night before and the course was soggy, so I knew any distances I got would be true carry distances.  Our of the gate the G410 had me smiling.  Beautiful high bomb down the right hand side of the fairway.  Normally I have PW or SW into the 1st green.  Today I had an easy SW - and I got no roll.  

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On the 3rd hole I hit one low and out of the heel.  Thankfully the ball landed in standing water and stayed in bounds.  It was a really bad swing and awful strike, but I still got a playable distance out of the G410

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The drive of the round came on my nemesis hole.  It is a long uphill Par 4 that always plays into the wind.  On this day, it was also wet, so I knew I had to hit a good drive to even have a chance of getting a long iron into the green for my 2nd shot.  I pounded it.  Beautiful high draw to the middle of the fairway.  When I got up to my ball I found it plugged in the middle of the fairway.  277 carry, slightly uphill and all carry?  I will take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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It was just a quick 9, but I shot +1 37 with 2 birdies.  Just a lot of confidence in this driver - especially as it continues to mitigate the left miss for me

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Round Recap - May 9th

Excited to get more Arccos data for my review, I got in 18 the following day.I guess subconsciously I really wanted to test the lower part of the face this round.  It was cold, windy, and even rained a bit during this round.  My swing was garbage as I never could get warm, but the stability of the G410 kept me in play and let me shoot a respectable +8 80 given the conditions and quality of my swing I brought to the course.

I was pulling out of a lot of my shots, which led to quite a few drives that were low on the face.  Here is one that put me up against the lip of a fairway bunker.  Again, a more than respectable distance for how awful a strike this was.

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The drive below was a fantastic strike into a stiff cold wind.  Ground conditions were still soft from the rain 2 days prior, so it was mostly carry.  I see a nice launch with a stable spin number on most drives which still gets through  headwind without many issues.

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My longest drive on the day came close to the end of the round.  Nice high soft baby draw.  This hole is tough and normally I have about 150 or so into the green.  Not today with the G410.  

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This round really showed me everything the G410 has to offer.  When you don't bring your A game, it is still going to produce playable drives.  When you bring your A game, the G410 is a bomber.  That is the exact balance I have always looked for in a driver and the G410 is giving me exactly what I need.

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I look forward to sharing more Arccos information as I build up more data points, but so far it has been nice to see the data validating what I have been seeing with the naked eye.

 

Range Recap - May 10th

One thing I noticed over the last few rounds was I was hitting the ball pretty high.  Not overly high, but just high enough were it seemed a bit suboptimal.  Watching TXG videos helped me realize that I might be closing the face too slowly, resulting in added loft.  This was great for eliminating the left side for me, but I could be sacrificing some distance and also losing a few more shots right than I intended.  Today at the range I moved the sliding weight back to neutral  and lofted down (which opened the face).  What I saw were slightly lower balls that still favored the right side.  This was extremely promising to see.  I also saw less of the super high bleeder to the right, which was very good to see as well.  I will take this setup onto the course for the next few rounds to see how things pan out.  At first pass, it really does look like Ping has given a golfer a variety of tools to adjust the club to his or her needs/preferred ball flight

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@jkukes, thank you for the write up. I have an Arccos question and in your limited time with it you may not be able to answer. Your “smart distance and range” show 246 (low) and 294 (longest shot). Two of the drives you shared were 242 and 244 which I would take all day, however Arrcos doesn’t reflect either as your lowest. My Garmin watch does that, do you know why it may not pick them up? Thanks


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9 minutes ago, Wedgie said:

@jkukes, thank you for the write up. I have an Arccos question and in your limited time with it you may not be able to answer. Your “smart distance and range” show 246 (low) and 294 (longest shot). Two of the drives you shared were 242 and 244 which I would take all day, however Arrcos doesn’t reflect either as your lowest. My Garmin watch does that, do you know why it may not pick them up? Thanks


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Per the Arccos website

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Your Smart Distance is Arccos’ estimation of your expected distance on a well-struck shot. Based on your historical data, it excludes mishits, and abnormally long shots giving you a much better picture of your true club distances.

The Smart Distance metric eliminates the need to manually curate your shots, as Arccos will automatically do it for you, however users may turn Smart Distance off in the settings page. Doing this will show club averages on the clubs page where you can manually include or exclude shots.

Your Smart Range is Arccos’ estimation of your expected range on well-struck shots. A narrower range is indicative of more consistent shot performance.

So since I have a limited data set with only 27 holes, the ranges are a bit off.  It has eliminated some bad shots from the smart range ( such as the 242 and 244 you mentioned) based on knowing how far I have hit good drives, but I simply do not have enough data points for it to have truly accurate smart ranges yet.  In fact, the Arccos Caddie system doesn't even kick in until you have 90 holes worth of data.  I imagine that my driver smart range will tighten up considerably as I get more data and the weather gets nicer.  It will be interesting to see where the low end of my range ends up, but based on what I have read, it will likely go up into low 260s eventually.

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41 minutes ago, Wedgie said:
@jkukes, thank you for the write up. I have an Arccos question and in your limited time with it you may not be able to answer. Your “smart distance and range” show 246 (low) and 294 (longest shot). Two of the drives you shared were 242 and 244 which I would take all day, however Arrcos doesn’t reflect either as your lowest. My Garmin watch does that, do you know why it may not pick them up? Thanks

 

 

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I think it tries to eliminate outliers, and give you a true distance range of the club. I hit a tree off the tee in my last round, for a total drive distance of like 105y, but my "low" distance range is still around 260, even though I've hit some drives in the same 240y range as well. I think once @jlukes has a couple more rounds in Arccos his "low" distance range will go up.

 

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So since I have a limited data set with only 27 holes, the ranges are a bit off.  It has eliminated some bad shots from the smart range ( such as the 242 and 244 you mentioned) based on knowing how far I have hit good drives, but I simply do not have enough data points for it to have truly accurate smart ranges yet.  In fact, the Arccos Caddie system doesn't even kick in until you have 90 holes worth of data.  I imagine that my driver smart range will tighten up considerably as I get more data and the weather gets nicer.  It will be interesting to see where the low end of my range ends up, but based on what I have read, it will likely go up into low 260s eventually.


Thanks for the detailed feedback. Yeah, I’d be interested to see where your low end ends up in better conditions and over time. I’m glad the driver is working out well for you.


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On ‎05‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 7:15 PM, yungkory said:

So how many of you testers are going to test the LST when it's available? For those who are loving and getting along well, do you think you would benefit from a few less RPMs? Especially you high speed dudes like @jlukes?

 

Yeah, the LST is way out of my ability range. I need EVEREYTHING the SFT gives me and I'm warming up to it for sure...

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Posted (edited)

Brief warm-up straight off the plane earlier today, and the first drive with my G410 SFT driver came in at 248 right out of the gate!😍 Had a pretty good driver day with it and while I was more excited to try my new G410 SFT 7w (178-190 or so club), I was offered little chance with it since my better drives are seemingly leaving me with more manageable second shot distances-or so it seems. I haven't seen that 270 monster drive (that doesn't go straight-left OB...) anomaly rear up again, but counting on driver to now be in the 240's or just beyond without too much more effort I used with the G400 is becoming something I like...A LOT! 😁This series of clubs is very exciting what with the driver coming on and the 7w filling the ugly gap I've fought for a couple of seasons. The 410 series is for real!

Also, am warming up to the sound it makes. Though not as "muted" as my 400 was, the distinctive "THWA-NGK" is has is something that I am starting to kind-of ignore...especially on the good shots...and there are many more of those now and longer too-no joke...😎

NO APOLOGIES! 😉

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