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When I tested the G410 plus & LST I thought going in the LST was going to be the best for me, I was wrong the Plus was the winner. Oddly it’s a 12’ head. I’ve never had anything over a 10.5’. Must be a combo of head & shaft and Ole Man swing but it works.


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It's hard to accept big changes in what we think our "set up" should be. Good for you, being willing to make the change. You seem a lot like me, you play a lot, and enjoy the camaraderie with your group as much as the golf. 

I'm all for anything that makes the game easier. Every single club in my bag (except my 58*) is there because of it's forgiveness. When I find something that gives me more, it's gone...

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:callaway-small: Rogue 15*  Quaranta 

:callaway-small: Epic Flash hybrids 18* & 21* Tensei Silver

:callaway-small: Rogue X 5-AW Tensei Silver 

:callaway-small: MD4 52* & 56*

:odyssey-small: Stroke Lab Double Wide 34"

:callaway-small: Fusion Zero 14 way stand bag

 

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Rick, I think you said you have the Alta55 in a soft regular, no?
I'm in a transition phase it seems as far as finding the right shaft. A 55-60 regular flex shaft with a softer tip has been my go to for years. I'm going to be 66 next month though, and I'm not a big guy 5'10" about 175 lbs. My SS has dipped just below 90 now. A senior flex is hard for me to control, I hit some gigantic hooks with the ones I've tried. Lightweight regular flex seems to work best for me now.
I have 60 gram Tensei Silver shafts in my irons and hybrids, and a very light weight Quaranta 50 in my 3 wood. The Alta regular in the 410 is 58 grams, I'm wondering if I just can't load it properly anymore.
[mention=16651]revkev[/mention] I tried an Epic Flash this morning with a Bassara ultralite shaft in it... what a difference... nice high ball flight, and gained a few yards. I'm not chasing distance at my age (although I'll gladly take any I can get, lol) what I look for now is what I saw this morning. Something that elevates easily, and that I'm able to turn over.
I think the Distanza shaft might fit right into my new "old guy" setup. 

Yup, I’m officially in the Senior Shaft group. 5’10” 200# and 73 immature years old.
At the G410 fitting I tried the regular shafts and hit them well but the Senior had more height and I’m not getting a faster swing or younger any time soon. The Shop where I purchased told me if the Senior wasn’t working they would gladly go to the Regular or even try something else.


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Driver; Ping G410 Plus

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead

Irons; Ping G410 5-SW & Mizno 919 Hot Metal 5-SW

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Rick, I think you said you have the Alta55 in a soft regular, no? I'm in a transition phase it seems as far as finding the right shaft. A 55-60 regular flex shaft with a softer tip has been my go to for years. I'm going to be 66 next month though, and I'm not a big guy 5'10" about 175 lbs. My SS has dipped just below 90 now. A senior flex is hard for me to control, I hit some gigantic hooks with the ones I've tried. Lightweight regular flex seems to work best for me now.

I have 60 gram Tensei Silver shafts in my irons and hybrids, and a very light weight Quaranta 50 in my 3 wood. The Alta regular in the 410 is 58 grams, I'm wondering if I just can't load it properly anymore.

[mention=16651]revkev[/mention] I tried an Epic Flash this morning with a Bassara ultralite shaft in it... what a difference... nice high ball flight, and gained a few yards. I'm not chasing distance at my age (although I'll gladly take any I can get, lol) what I look for now is what I saw this morning. Something that elevates easily, and that I'm able to turn over.

I think the Distanza shaft might fit right into my new "old guy" setup. 

 

I've got 5 years on you. Last May, my fitter put me into a Alta 65 gram Regular flex shaft (cut down 1/2") on my 410, note that was with an 80+ swing speed. I've made a pretty big swing change since then and coincidently love the Tensi shafts in my hybrids. I was debating trying the Tensi now in my 410.

 

 

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:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

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I've got 5 years on you. Last May, my fitter put me into a Alta 65 gram Regular flex shaft (cut down 1/2") on my 410, note that was with an 80+ swing speed. I've made a pretty big swing change since then and coincidently love the Tensi shafts in my hybrids. I was debating trying the Tensi now in my 410.  
 
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That’s interesting Tony, because my swing speed is slightly faster than yours 90+ ish and I ended up w the Senior. I’m happy w it, occasionally


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Driver; Ping G410 Plus

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead

Irons; Ping G410 5-SW & Mizno 919 Hot Metal 5-SW

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That’s interesting Tony, because my swing speed is slightly faster than yours 90+ ish and I ended up w the Senior. I’m happy w it, occasionally


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Wonder if it's because of the difference in the 2 heads. Mine is a SFT and I believe you have the Plus (?).


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:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
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1 hour ago, tony@CIC said:

I've got 5 years on you. Last May, my fitter put me into a Alta 65 gram Regular flex shaft (cut down 1/2") on my 410, note that was with an 80+ swing speed. I've made a pretty big swing change since then and coincidently love the Tensi shafts in my hybrids. I was debating trying the Tensi now in my 410.

 

 

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That’s interesting Tony, because my swing speed is slightly faster than yours 90+ ish and I ended up w the Senior. I’m happy w it, occasionally emoji16.png


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There are so many variables besides SS though that affect which shaft and flex you will need. Obviously the club head, but transistion is another.. A player can be  smooth or aggressive. I don’t pretend to have the answer though. The Alta shaft in the 400 Max worked great for me, so maybe it’s the head on the 410 plus? That’s why my shaft breaking at a time when the courses by me were open yet no fitting centers were made this such a fly by the seat of my pants type of thing. I tried to blind buy something I thought would play like the Max did.

As for the Tensei shafts, I like them so much. I played the Red 70g and the Silver 60g a few rounds each before deciding. Both felt the same, and my numbers on the monitor were similar. I decided to go with the Silver because I knew I’d be getting it in my hybrids. I also figured why not play the lightest one of the two? I’m very happy with them. 

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:ping-small: G400 Max 9*

:callaway-small: Rogue 15*  Quaranta 

:callaway-small: Epic Flash hybrids 18* & 21* Tensei Silver

:callaway-small: Rogue X 5-AW Tensei Silver 

:callaway-small: MD4 52* & 56*

:odyssey-small: Stroke Lab Double Wide 34"

:callaway-small: Fusion Zero 14 way stand bag

 

:EVNROLL: ER5  & :yes-small: Tracy putters will be sitting in a :titelist-small: Hybrid 5 bag, just waiting for the :odyssey-small: to misbehave.

 

 

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One more thing, I realize it’s apples to oranges, but this morning I averaged about 88 mph with the 410+ Alta reg. With the Epic Flash bassara reg I was at 92. Different heads, the bassara is 11 grams lighter, and I only took 4 swings with the Ping as I warmed up whilehe put the bassara shaft in the Flash.

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:ping-small: G400 Max 9*

:callaway-small: Rogue 15*  Quaranta 

:callaway-small: Epic Flash hybrids 18* & 21* Tensei Silver

:callaway-small: Rogue X 5-AW Tensei Silver 

:callaway-small: MD4 52* & 56*

:odyssey-small: Stroke Lab Double Wide 34"

:callaway-small: Fusion Zero 14 way stand bag

 

:EVNROLL: ER5  & :yes-small: Tracy putters will be sitting in a :titelist-small: Hybrid 5 bag, just waiting for the :odyssey-small: to misbehave.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Grand Stranded said:

One more thing, I realize it’s apples to oranges, but this morning I averaged about 88 mph with the 410+ Alta reg. With the Epic Flash bassara reg I was at 92. Different heads, the bassara is 11 grams lighter, and I only took 4 swings with the Ping as I warmed up whilehe put the bassara shaft in the Flash.

Epic Flash head is lighter than the g410+ head, too. 

Ping Heads are the heaviest stock heads on the market. 

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:ping-small: G410 Plus Ping 9* VA Nemesys 65FIVE
:ping-small: G410 LST 14.5* VA Vylyn 75FIVE
:titelist-small: 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X
:mizuno-small: MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X
:mizuno-small: JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-)
:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 49 F - 54 S - 59 D
:mizuno-small: M Craft I
:bridgestone-small: Tour B X
 
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I had a rogue GBB with HZRDUS green and couldn't hit the driver straight to save my life . Ended up selling it - and sticking with my 410 which finds the fairway 75% of the time


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:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

:cobra-small: F Max 5 wood

:ping-small:  9 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*
:wilson-small: C300 4i-GP
:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

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1 hour ago, Rickp said:


That’s interesting Tony, because my swing speed is slightly faster than yours 90+ ish and I ended up w the Senior. I’m happy w it, occasionally emoji16.png


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Never did like calling it “senior flex”. It’s just a more flexible shaft that allows you’re swing tempo to load and unload the shaft optimally. Has nothing to do with “senior”. I can’t handle shaft that flexes that much because it feels like a limp noodle to me, but I play 130g stiff Dynamic golds. My buddy has an extremely smooth swing, still gets 105+ and loves senior flex shafts because he feels like he can take his time from the top. Never seen a swing as unhurried as his. 

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Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 106mph
 

Driver: Ping i25, S-flex PWR 65 shaft
3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts
3i: FOURTEEN FH-1000, DG X100
4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300
Wedges: Titleist SM7
56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce

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Wonder if it's because of the difference in the 2 heads. Mine is a SFT and I believe you have the Plus (?).


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Possibly but I don’t know enough that’s for sure.


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Driver; Ping G410 Plus

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead

Irons; Ping G410 5-SW & Mizno 919 Hot Metal 5-SW

Putter; Waaay too many to list

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Epic Flash head is lighter than the g410+ head, too. 
Ping Heads are the heaviest stock heads on the market. 

OK, now that makes perfect sense.


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Left Hand, 

Driver; Ping G410 Plus

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead

Irons; Ping G410 5-SW & Mizno 919 Hot Metal 5-SW

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Yes. I don't get along too well with most Callaway heads. Too light for me. 

 

Just hit the longest drive of my life with my 410+ last weekend. Drove the green on a 349 yar par 4. My apologies to the foursome that was still putting, but I was not expecting that. Usually a big hit from me is 280 and I've seen a couple 300 yarders, but this a solid 330 on the front of the green by a few yards. Granted, there was a ton of roll out on dry fairways here in Phoenix, but still. I am impressed. Staying in the bag for a while for sure. 

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  • Irons: :srixon-small: U85 4I AD DI 95S, Z585 5-6, Z785 7-PW, Modus 120s
  • Wedges: :ping-small:: Glide 3.0 52, Modus 120x:taylormade-small:, Hi Toe 56 & 60, Modus 120x
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I just bought the G410plus 10.5 with tour 65 reg shaft. First time to the driving range with it, I didn't hit well with it at all, as it's different from the BB Alpha 815 which also has a slightly longer shaft. Too many low hooks and high pushes. Club speed was down about 1 to 2 mph vs my BB, (to 89 to 91, vs 90 to 93 avg). Ball speed was about the same at about 129 to 133 mph. Warming up the next day before my first round with it seemed slightly better, and tried to tweak my setup more to reduce hooks and slices. Anyway, for my first round with it I hit 12 of 14 fairways (easily my most accurate driving round in my history of about 40 rounds) at distances that were fairly typical for me (low of about 210 y drives for holes uphill or upwind, and 230 to 250y for downhill/downwind fairways, most common was about 225y. 

This is the problem with fittings for me. My first 10 swings aren't the same as my 40th swing. I might eventually be able to adjust to different shaft and degrees settings, but not necessarily in five or ten swings. My first impressions swinging the club were negative on the range, but my first day on the course with it was my most accurate driving day ever.

Tinkering later in the day, I tried setting it to 9.5 degrees to help me get a bit more roll out, as a couple of soft fairways and higher than optimal drives gave me zero roll. I usually have 5 to 7 degrees of upward angle of attack, so depending on whether I hit low or high on the face, can see a launch angle of 13 to 17 degrees. 14 to 15 degree launch angle would be best. My typical swing path is about 4 degrees in to out, start right and draw back a little. There are other considerations besides max distance - too low backspin can cause my inevitable left or right sidespin to take the ball too far left or right. My misses are lower overdraws/hooks, and high pushes/slices. Can do both in the same round.

I ordered the CB 55 Red Regular shaft used for a low price. Any other shaft worth trying given my swing speed and upward angle of attack proclivities? What would a heavier, stiffer shaft do to me?

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