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On 4/12/2019 at 9:27 PM, PAgolfer2017 said:

 


Do you notice big gains or changes compared to the g400?


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I'd say it's a few yards longer than the G400 Max---going strictly by memory--which is not the best thing to do.   I truly be able to tell once I get out on our course with it a time or two and see where my drives are compared to where the Max used to put me.  

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20 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Howdy MGS's.  Well, in addition to having played 5 rounds now with the G410 Plus, I was able to get a day at the range to see just how it was comparing to my Callaway Razr-Fit.  With respect to the golf rounds, it was in the bag when I shot my best round (77) of the winter season at Mesa Del Sol. Not really sure how much further I was hitting it than my RF, but I did hit all but two fairways and the two missed were not bad misses. My last two rounds with it were not as good. At Cocopah GC, I was having trouble with fades. At Las Barancas both fades and hitting high on the face.  But to be honest, the rest of my game was not exactly clicking on either round, so the G400 gets a pass.

The Challenger

Now bear in mind that I just recently (January 2018) purchased this used Callaway Razr-Fit, to replace my GBB Warbird, and have subsequently felt like I had stepped into another era of golf.  While I immediately gained distance, perhaps 10-15 yards, the most striking benefit was the forgiveness in miss hits.  As the the 2018 season rolled along, my driving accuracy kept increasing as did my confidence.  I only wish I had taken the advice from friends to upgrade my driver years earlier. I'll also add that I picked the RF up at a shop in Tempe, AZ for a whopping $65.00 (which included a length adjustment and new Callaway grip).  I mention this only because for me to hand over $500.00 for the latest in drivers would take some serious performance results.  While I love being long off the tee, the decision is predominantly based on scoring... will that club help lower my handicap?

Mr. PING G410 Plus, meet Mr. Callaway Razr-Fit (which, btw got some high praise from MGS https://mygolfspy.com/callaway-razr-fit-driver-review/).

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At the Desert Hills CG range, I onced again warmed up with my 6i and captured the data.  Another big shout out to George for letting me use their LM and providing a free large bucket of balls - Thanks George!  I hit about a dozen balls with each driver just trying to get into a nice hitting groove.  I then alternated between the drivers, capturing this data and culled out the two best and two worst from each.  George told me that their range balls are typically 10-15% shorter in distance to game balls.

Club Smash Factor Spin Ball Speed Club Speed Carry Distance
           
Razr-Fit 1.47 2132 128 87 206
Driver 1.46 2203 130 89 209
  1.46 2218 131 90 211
  1.42 2394 128 90 206
  1.47 2174 132 90 213
  1.51 1978 133 88 215
  1.48 2102 130 89 213
  1.50 2096 129 90 212
  1.46 2223 130 89 210
  1.49 2138 131 90 214
  1.47 2165.8 130.2 89.2 210.9
G410 Plus 1.52 1954 137 90 222
Driver 1.51 1978 133 88 218
  1.47 2160 131 89 215
  1.43 2386 132 92 213
  1.51 1978 133 88 215
  1.44 2404 133 93 215
  1.52 1936 134 88 217
  1.51 1978 133 88 215
  1.46 2248 134 92 217
  1.50 2042 135 90 219
  1.49 2106.4 133.5 89.8 216.6
PE2 6i 1.48 4827 101 69 141
  1.49 4834 101 70 141
  1.51 4931 103 68 144
  1.52 4644 102 70 138
  1.47 4853 100 68 134
  1.50 4743 101 70 143
  1.48 4805 100 68 140
  1.49 4805.3 101.1 69 140.1

Bill's Most Wanted Swing 😉

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Typical Hits on the G410

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The numbers are improved across the board.  To be really honest, I did not expect this.  I am by nature suspicious of marketing claims. This certainly supports PING claims of the club heads aerodynamic performance - less resistance yielding faster club head speed and ball distance. What I cannot share in this test is the lower, more piercing ball flight I get with the G410.  As I mentioned in my original stage 1 thread, I tend to hit high shots - driver included.  I really love that my trajectory is lower with the G410.  During my course rounds thus far, it's been REALLY nice seeing my drives roll out a little.  I do plan to repeat this same test with my club fitter in Bozeman, MT who has state-of-art LM equipment and has graciously offered to help - Thanks in advance Woody!! 👍

So, this is exciting. Thus far, I really like the way the G410 feels and I'm not debating which boom stick to put in the bag.  I have a few return to home (ranch) base projects that will occupy a bit of my time in the next month but, weather permitting, I hope to get a few more rounds in on the local courses - in advance of the peak season.  Reading what @jlukesis experiencing using the weight adjust feature, I plan to monkey with that a bit - especially if that fade tendency comes back. 

I sure hope this is helping those of you out there interested in PING's latest driver.  More to come, Thanks for reading!

Great numbers - especially the smash factor,. Looks like you're using a ES-14 LM? 

Wonder what those numbers will look like with something other than range balls. 

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2 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

Great numbers - especially the smash factor,. Looks like you're using a ES-14 LM? 

Wonder what those numbers will look like with something other than range balls. 

Yes it is the ES-14.  I'm not too familiar with it, but George say's it correlates well with others they've used. 

Smash factor is a whole new term for me.  Honestly, I first heard of it last summer when I had my iron fitting; but now understand it to be the ratio of ball speed to club head speed - and an indicator of how efficient (or not) one is at transferring energy from the club face to the ball.

During my G410 fitting George mentioned that I was getting some nice SF numbers (I'm thinking to myself "that's cool" but how about distance? 😁).  The limit is 1.50, so I'm not clear why the monitor shows numbers greater than that?  In any case, it looks like I'm getting close to everything out of the drivers my swing mechanics/limitations allow.

As for the range ball distance knock-down, George says 10-15%.  That seems about right when I multiply these numbers by 1.12, add 7-15 yards rollout, and compare to my typical drives out on the course.  My huge hits this winter in Yuma were 290 but more typically 245-265 based on Golf Buddy.  I've never perfected "getting both butt cheeks" into the drive 🤣.

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy STUDque said:

During my i500 review, I took a few rounds to play irons only so I could play them from literally everywhere to stress them to the max. I've been searching for a similar test doing this G410 Plus test and think I've got it. 

Since my irons are at Ping for repair, and the spring is in full effect, I've decided to do some sans-irons rounds. This means I've got Driver, 3w, 3h, 52, 56, and Putter in my bag. It's a lot lighter!!! 

The special rule I've adopted is to play from the reds so I can swing away with driver and give myself as many eagle putts as possible. Today was my first time out with this experiment and I managed to get 12 holes in. I didn't play particularly well but I'll share the hole-by-hole for entertainment:

Wind: Howling at 18-22 mph (per Arccos) hurting on 1, 3, 5, 16 across/hurting on 2, 4, 6, 17 and helping on 7, 8, 9, 18

Ground: Soft due to heavy rains last night

***Perhaps these weren't the best conditions to try an experiment. Oh well. For science!!!

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Hole 1: Killer wind dead into the face. Nice 3W

 

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Hole 2: Should've taken an easier swing at the driver. Launched it into the penalty area behind the green. 

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Hole 3: Not relevant to driver, but missed a beauty of a shot by inches as it caught the lip of the bunker and rolled down. 

4BB80F4C-2E35-482B-8145-D98D6A0C98E3.jpeg

 

Hole 4: Launched drive #1 wide right thanks to harsh wind and compensated the other way for #2. Made a bomb of a putt to card a good double

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Hole 5: Good shot dead into the wind (again) but left an awkward chip. 

EEF69668-D5F3-46EE-B8FE-92D85047843E.jpeg 

Hole 6: Good shot, landed on front of green then scooted off. Nice up and down. 

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Hole 7: Wind finally behind me. Tee shot into hazard I only ever reach with my second shots. Course management ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A53C7DA0-B0C2-4D57-AFA8-7873650E89D5.jpeg

Hole 8: Wind still behind, bombs away. Landed in the trap on the fly. 

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Hole 9: Still wind, still bombs, smacked a tree 😢

 

Then onto the mini loop:

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Hole 16: Smoked dead into wind. The 2nd shot was all I've got with that club and it appeared to be coming backwards on the way down. 

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Hole 17: Pin high, but left an awkward chip

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Hole 18: Wind helping, Smoked, but smacked another tree and came backwards. Cool little hybrid shot. 

 

Obviously, I'm not counting this round to my Arccos stats but it was a great time nonetheless. This was a poor display of short game so I've got room to grow there. Will probably get to do it again before my irons show up.

Any fellow testers gonna give it a try??

 

 

That ARCCOS system is really cool.

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Sounds like Jlukes is the only one of late being able to get out and try this sweet club 
 Surely you guys won't let a little thing like the Masters keep you from getting to the range or course this weekend!
As for my results, I'm not an official tester but some of you know that I was out at PING last week getting fit.   I started with the 410+ in the neutral position and did OK with it, but was getting a bit more fade than I and the fitter liked, still very playable but he thought taking some of that off might get me a few more yards.
So he switched the weight to the draw and actually put a slightly lighter one in to help the SW as well--it was initially coming in at D6--, and help me get through the ball a bit more.  It worked, it straightened the flight out and I picked up 17 yards on the first swing after the adjustment.  
I kept it there and got on Trackman with it this week after I got back home.  I took it along with my TS2 out to the range.  While I'm not going to throw up any Jlukes or Studque numbers, the G410 was out-gaining the TS2 by 5 to 7 yards on most swings.   And i got a couple out to 226, my normal might be 215. 
Working with our DOI he gave me a few pointers that he said once I get those locked in I should be able to get out there to 230 maybe 235.   I was getting a swing speed of about 84 to 85 on the TS2 and was managing a pretty steady 87 on the PING.   Launch was about the same and and spin was close, they were both around 2900 to 3100 on both, a bit high but working on a few things to bring them down a couple hundred RPM.   Along with working on my club path and face to path has helped me realize a good swing from a bad swing.   
Looking forward to getting a round in with this in the several days. 
Any other testers have some actual results  or if any forum members have any questions for the group fire away!!
Hey man.. did you ever happen to post that pic from the end of our round somewhere? It's the only physical evidence that I have of being in the presence of great MGSRob for 18 holes

the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..

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5 hours ago, azstu324 said:

Hey man.. did you ever happen to post that pic from the end of our round somewhere? It's the only physical evidence that I have of being in the presence of great MGSRob for 18 holesemoji39.png

the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..
 

Yeah I sure did. In the pics from the course thread.  Posted it that night.  

Ha.  You seriously need to reevaluate your definition of greatness.   

But it was a GREAT time!! 

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14 hours ago, GolfSpy STUDque said:

During my i500 review, I took a few rounds to play irons only so I could play them from literally everywhere to stress them to the max. I've been searching for a similar test doing this G410 Plus test and think I've got it. 

Since my irons are at Ping for repair, and the spring is in full effect, I've decided to do some sans-irons rounds. This means I've got Driver, 3w, 3h, 52, 56, and Putter in my bag. It's a lot lighter!!! 

The special rule I've adopted is to play from the reds so I can swing away with driver and give myself as many eagle putts as possible. Today was my first time out with this experiment and I managed to get 12 holes in. I didn't play particularly well but I'll share the hole-by-hole for entertainment:

Wind: Howling at 18-22 mph (per Arccos) hurting on 1, 3, 5, 16 across/hurting on 2, 4, 6, 17 and helping on 7, 8, 9, 18

Ground: Soft due to heavy rains last night

***Perhaps these weren't the best conditions to try an experiment. Oh well. For science!!!

1EC0AC96-FAB3-48CB-9F72-3731B2457409.jpeg

 

Hole 1: Killer wind dead into the face. Nice 3W

 

6C46F7DB-CEFC-49DE-816E-B06A476015B8.jpeg

Hole 2: Should've taken an easier swing at the driver. Launched it into the penalty area behind the green. 

65250E7E-B0BF-4B45-BC00-473A543A07AF.jpeg

 

Hole 3: Not relevant to driver, but missed a beauty of a shot by inches as it caught the lip of the bunker and rolled down. 

4BB80F4C-2E35-482B-8145-D98D6A0C98E3.jpeg

 

Hole 4: Launched drive #1 wide right thanks to harsh wind and compensated the other way for #2. Made a bomb of a putt to card a good double

4CEEDCD1-0718-42BC-BD0D-260C338F73EC.jpeg

Hole 5: Good shot dead into the wind (again) but left an awkward chip. 

EEF69668-D5F3-46EE-B8FE-92D85047843E.jpeg 

Hole 6: Good shot, landed on front of green then scooted off. Nice up and down. 

6D6A5760-4ADB-418C-8E1A-1205AE45105C.jpeg

Hole 7: Wind finally behind me. Tee shot into hazard I only ever reach with my second shots. Course management ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A53C7DA0-B0C2-4D57-AFA8-7873650E89D5.jpeg

Hole 8: Wind still behind, bombs away. Landed in the trap on the fly. 

ED7B3E6D-20E1-4674-8741-4835D21776E0.jpeg

Hole 9: Still wind, still bombs, smacked a tree 😢

 

Then onto the mini loop:

D798C3D7-E192-4601-8D69-5D829914BA93.jpeg

Hole 16: Smoked dead into wind. The 2nd shot was all I've got with that club and it appeared to be coming backwards on the way down. 

185D8EE8-0DB1-4E84-85BE-6C9A55DE440A.jpeg

Hole 17: Pin high, but left an awkward chip

D04C269B-D8C0-44FD-BFD1-247DB69CFE2B.jpeg

Hole 18: Wind helping, Smoked, but smacked another tree and came backwards. Cool little hybrid shot. 

 

Obviously, I'm not counting this round to my Arccos stats but it was a great time nonetheless. This was a poor display of short game so I've got room to grow there. Will probably get to do it again before my irons show up.

Any fellow testers gonna give it a try??

 

 

Nice work Stud, could be an idea for another certain contest that is coming....😁😎

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I hit the range after the Masters Sunday for a full-bucket session. After warming up, I started in with the 410 SFT and it's "new" Alta R-flex shaft I picked up off of the Bay for a trial. This was the shaft my "fitter" recommended for me, but it just felt wrong in some way which is why I ordered my driver with the stiff Tensei Orange. First his with it were awful. Fiddled with loft a bit and this shaft just did not work for me. Chucked the Tensei back up on the neutral 10.5 setting and wham! 240 right off the bat with a slight fade. Tried that shaft once again later and just confirmed it is just not for me in any way. Hit my 400 and was steady with it out to 230 on my better hits, but the 410 feels like it maybe has more in the tank. I hope to hit the range again Thursday and than maybe play sometime this weekend.

Side note: Our Range Troll coach dude offered some unsolicited help and identified that my grip needed some work. He was actually correct that my grip was overly weak and got me working on a much better strong grip that is proper. I had thought the way I was holding the club was with a strong grip, but I somehow had it backwards with my right hand way under the left. So this new feel will take some time to adjust to, but I see "hope".

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Finally got around to reading through this thread, ya'll are doing a great job! As a tester of the G400 Max last year, this is an interesting topic. I don't think I'll ever remove it from my bag. 

 

ps, STUD... Hole #3 at Cedar Point that you uploaded looks oh so intimidating, that's a lot of water. 

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3 hours ago, PING Apologist #9 said:

I hit the range after the Masters Sunday for a full-bucket session. After warming up, I started in with the 410 SFT and it's "new" Alta R-flex shaft I picked up off of the Bay for a trial. This was the shaft my "fitter" recommended for me, but it just felt wrong in some way which is why I ordered my driver with the stiff Tensei Orange. First his with it were awful. Fiddled with loft a bit and this shaft just did not work for me. Chucked the Tensei back up on the neutral 10.5 setting and wham! 240 right off the bat with a slight fade. Tried that shaft once again later and just confirmed it is just not for me in any way. Hit my 400 and was steady with it out to 230 on my better hits, but the 410 feels like it maybe has more in the tank. I hope to hit the range again Thursday and than maybe play sometime this weekend.

Side note: Our Range Troll coach dude offered some unsolicited help and identified that my grip needed some work. He was actually correct that my grip was overly weak and got me working on a much better strong grip that is proper. I had thought the way I was holding the club was with a strong grip, but I somehow had it backwards with my right hand way under the left. So this new feel will take some time to adjust to, but I see "hope".

Hey PA....Help me out as I lost track of your shaft switches, felt like I was in the mirror funny house.   Which one ended up working for you best the new Alta off the Bay, or the Tensi that you ordered for the testing.    The Alta was the one the fitter said was best correct?

I'm glad you found one that works, I'm just confused on which one it was. 

Also glad the range troll helped.  That's a rare case indeed...ha

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4/17 Range Session

Went to my driving range during lunch to pick up my irons and wedges which I just had adjusted (lofts and lies) and took the opportunity to hit a bucket of balls.  I mentioned that I was missing a little right during my last round so I switched the hosel back to the neutral setting.  I definitely noticed that the ball tended to start much straighter.   However, as I continued to hit balls, I had a few balls finish a bit further left than I would like to see.

I took the wrench and adjusted the hosel back to the flat setting and did something absolutely crazy: I adjusted my aim!  I have been hitting big sweeping hooks over the last year or so my aim has crept to the right to play for the hook.  Now that I found myself missing right (not slices, just starting right and staying there), I adjusted my aim more towards my intended landing area and the G410 did the rest.  Just beautiful straight bombs to baby fades (wind was slightly off the left, so they were more likely baby draws and straight bombs).  And my miss?  It was to the right.  As Lee Trevino is famous for saying: You can talk to a fade, but a hook won't listen.  I have embraced that thought with the G410 and the confidence I am feeling with the driver right now is as high as it has ever been.  

One thing I need to reiterate throughout the testing: The adjustable settings 100% work, but they do not save you from an awful swing.  There were a few where I got lazy with my hip rotation and double crossed it with a pull hook.  No amount of adjustable weights, hosels or face settings is going to fix a double cross.

I mentioned in my shaft fitting post that my tendency with the Ping Tour shaft is to miss a little low on the face and I saw that a bit today at the range.  I really felt that the G410 performs pretty well off low face shots as the ball still launched relatively high and did not appear to balloon too much.  This speaks to the MOI of the G410 Plus head and the lack of gear effect created (head tilting down) on low face strikes.

I am scheduled to play Friday and Saturday morning (weather permitting) and I cannot wait to pull driver at every chance I get.

Please ask me any and all questions and I will be able to answer them!

 

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:titelist-small: 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X
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4/17 Range Session
Went to my driving range during lunch to pick up my irons and wedges which I just had adjusted (lofts and lies) and took the opportunity to hit a bucket of balls.  I mentioned that I was missing a little right during my last round so I switched the hosel back to the neutral setting.  I definitely noticed that the ball tended to start much straighter.   However, as I continued to hit balls, I had a few balls finish a bit further left than I would like to see.
I took the wrench and adjusted the hosel back to the flat setting and did something absolutely crazy: I adjusted my aim!  I have been hitting big sweeping hooks over the last year or so my aim has crept to the right to play for the hook.  Now that I found myself missing right (not slices, just starting right and staying there), I adjusted my aim more towards my intended landing area and the G410 did the rest.  Just beautiful straight bombs to baby fades (wind was slightly off the left, so they were more likely baby draws and straight bombs).  And my miss?  It was to the right.  As Lee Trevino is famous for saying: You can talk to a fade, but a hook won't listen.  I have embraced that thought with the G410 and the confidence I am feeling with the driver right now is as high as it has ever been.  
One thing I need to reiterate throughout the testing: The adjustable settings 100% work, but they do not save you from an awful swing.  There were a few where I got lazy with my hip rotation and double crossed it with a pull hook.  No amount of adjustable weights, hosels or face settings is going to fix a double cross.
I mentioned in my shaft fitting post that my tendency with the Ping Tour shaft is to miss a little low on the face and I saw that a bit today at the range.  I really felt that the G410 performs pretty well off low face shots as the ball still launched relatively high and did not appear to balloon too much.  This speaks to the MOI of the G410 Plus head and the lack of gear effect created (head tilting down) on low face strikes.
I am scheduled to play Friday and Saturday morning (weather permitting) and I cannot wait to pull driver at every chance I get.
Please ask me any and all questions and I will be able to answer them!
 
You're playing it neutral lie but moving the weight towards the toe now? I feel you on the aiming right because you're so used to over drawing, I was doing that in my fitting and in my impromptu coaching session, he had me open my stance more. It's so refreshing to not have to fight the left side, or feel like I am.

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48 minutes ago, yungkory said:

You're playing it neutral lie but moving the weight towards the toe now? I feel you on the aiming right because you're so used to over drawing, I was doing that in my fitting and in my impromptu coaching session, he had me open my stance more. It's so refreshing to not have to fight the left side, or feel like I am.

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I tried the neutral lie today, but ended up going back to flat just to keep it from falling too far left- kept the weight in the toe as well.  I think for my round on Friday I am going to go with the neutral hosel setting to see how it translates on the course.

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:ping-small: G410 LST 9* Tour AD BB 6X
:ping-small: G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X
:titelist-small: 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X
:mizuno-small: MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X
:mizuno-small: JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-)
:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 49F - 54S - 59D
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4/17 Range Session
Went to my driving range during lunch to pick up my irons and wedges which I just had adjusted (lofts and lies) and took the opportunity to hit a bucket of balls.  I mentioned that I was missing a little right during my last round so I switched the hosel back to the neutral setting.  I definitely noticed that the ball tended to start much straighter.   However, as I continued to hit balls, I had a few balls finish a bit further left than I would like to see.
I took the wrench and adjusted the hosel back to the flat setting and did something absolutely crazy: I adjusted my aim!  I have been hitting big sweeping hooks over the last year or so my aim has crept to the right to play for the hook.  Now that I found myself missing right (not slices, just starting right and staying there), I adjusted my aim more towards my intended landing area and the G410 did the rest.  Just beautiful straight bombs to baby fades (wind was slightly off the left, so they were more likely baby draws and straight bombs).  And my miss?  It was to the right.  As Lee Trevino is famous for saying: You can talk to a fade, but a hook won't listen.  I have embraced that thought with the G410 and the confidence I am feeling with the driver right now is as high as it has ever been.  
One thing I need to reiterate throughout the testing: The adjustable settings 100% work, but they do not save you from an awful swing.  There were a few where I got lazy with my hip rotation and double crossed it with a pull hook.  No amount of adjustable weights, hosels or face settings is going to fix a double cross.
I mentioned in my shaft fitting post that my tendency with the Ping Tour shaft is to miss a little low on the face and I saw that a bit today at the range.  I really felt that the G410 performs pretty well off low face shots as the ball still launched relatively high and did not appear to balloon too much.  This speaks to the MOI of the G410 Plus head and the lack of gear effect created (head tilting down) on low face strikes.
I am scheduled to play Friday and Saturday morning (weather permitting) and I cannot wait to pull driver at every chance I get.
Please ask me any and all questions and I will be able to answer them!
 

Interesting feedback. I haven't been able to get back on the course since last weekend for a number of reasons but will be out this weekend. Except for one mishit - well ok a shank last Saturday straight into a pond, the 410 SFT has been very straight for me. This weekend I'm going to try the flat setting. I'm also going to take the SC200 with me since our course won't be crowded.


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Sounds like the adjustable settings really impact the ballflight here, which is great to see. I'll be interested in who continues to tweak after finding a setting that works, vs. who sets it and forgets it.

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27 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

Sounds like the adjustable settings really impact the ballflight here, which is great to see. I'll be interested in who continues to tweak after finding a setting that works, vs. who sets it and forgets it.

At the moment it's really about testing all of the settings for the sake of the review rather than just playing with one setting. 

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:ping-small: G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X
:titelist-small: 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X
:mizuno-small: MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X
:mizuno-small: JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-)
:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 49F - 54S - 59D
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On 4/15/2019 at 5:49 PM, GolfSpy STUDque said:

During my i500 review, I took a few rounds to play irons only so I could play them from literally everywhere to stress them to the max. I've been searching for a similar test doing this G410 Plus test and think I've got it. 

Since my irons are at Ping for repair, and the spring is in full effect, I've decided to do some sans-irons rounds. This means I've got Driver, 3w, 3h, 52, 56, and Putter in my bag. It's a lot lighter!!! 

The special rule I've adopted is to play from the reds so I can swing away with driver and give myself as many eagle putts as possible. Today was my first time out with this experiment and I managed to get 12 holes in. I didn't play particularly well but I'll share the hole-by-hole for entertainment:

Wind: Howling at 18-22 mph (per Arccos) hurting on 1, 3, 5, 16 across/hurting on 2, 4, 6, 17 and helping on 7, 8, 9, 18

Ground: Soft due to heavy rains last night

***Perhaps these weren't the best conditions to try an experiment. Oh well. For science!!!

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Hole 1: Killer wind dead into the face. Nice 3W

 

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Hole 2: Should've taken an easier swing at the driver. Launched it into the penalty area behind the green. 

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Hole 3: Not relevant to driver, but missed a beauty of a shot by inches as it caught the lip of the bunker and rolled down. 

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Hole 4: Launched drive #1 wide right thanks to harsh wind and compensated the other way for #2. Made a bomb of a putt to card a good double

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Hole 5: Good shot dead into the wind (again) but left an awkward chip. 

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Hole 6: Good shot, landed on front of green then scooted off. Nice up and down. 

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Hole 7: Wind finally behind me. Tee shot into hazard I only ever reach with my second shots. Course management ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Hole 8: Wind still behind, bombs away. Landed in the trap on the fly. 

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Hole 9: Still wind, still bombs, smacked a tree 😢

 

Then onto the mini loop:

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Hole 16: Smoked dead into wind. The 2nd shot was all I've got with that club and it appeared to be coming backwards on the way down. 

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Hole 17: Pin high, but left an awkward chip

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Hole 18: Wind helping, Smoked, but smacked another tree and came backwards. Cool little hybrid shot. 

 

Obviously, I'm not counting this round to my Arccos stats but it was a great time nonetheless. This was a poor display of short game so I've got room to grow there. Will probably get to do it again before my irons show up.

Any fellow testers gonna give it a try??

 

 

Might have to do this to prove the Epic Flash's worthiness. 

This is really a cool idea. Dare you to putt and chip with it, too? Talk about bump and run!

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21 hours ago, jlukes said:

At the moment it's really about testing all of the settings for the sake of the review rather than just playing with one setting. 

Yup, exactly... we just need to make sure and remember the setting that works best 😉.


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Played 18 today in the 'flat' setting and that so far seems to work the best. However, this is all non data driven feel. It'll be interesting to see. What the fitter and his LM come up with.

So far I'm really liking the SFT and have not found the fixed weight an issue or feel like I need it.

D Day to fitter is 13 days.


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:cleveland-small:  Wedges RTX 3.0: 52*, 56*
:ping-small: EYE 2 Wedge 60*

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