MGS Golf Ball Test

[Tsecor]

totally agree people are 10000000000% more friendly here. at that other site, people look for reasons to start arguments and then the second you defend yourself, you get banned. 2 years ago someone said something about my mother and I responded and got banned. lol.....I am somewhat of a newbie here but I love MSG

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, Tsecor said:

totally agree people are 10000000000% more friendly here. at that other site, people look for reasons to start arguments and then the second you defend yourself, you get banned. 2 years ago someone said something about my mother and I responded and got banned. lol.....I am somewhat of a newbie here but I love MSG

And yet you are still pretty active there. 

All forums regardless of genre have good and friendly conversation as well as discourse. I think some times people take things personally and conversations head down the bad path and things end up getting personal.

 

[Tsecor]

28 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

And yet you are still pretty active there. 

All forums regardless of genre have good and friendly conversation as well as discourse. I think some times people take things personally and conversations head down the bad path and things end up getting personal.

 

yup. cant let unfriendly people and people who just look for arguments on message boards to dictate anything. But when you talk about someone's mom, you are well outside the walls of opinionated debates about golf. so, I love golf and golf discussions, so ill do what I can to remain active with the right groups. That's why MSG is so nice. 

[WalterS]

On 7/2/2019 at 8:33 AM, chisag said:

... Some of us have been saying this for quite awhile now. Don't play used balls or water balls or cheap balls or DTC balls because you have no idea what kind of quality they really are. Personally, I do not trust any of the DTC balls with the exception of Snell. Dean has put in the research and with his name on his ball I can't imagine he would cut any corners. It will be interesting to hear what kind of quality Kirkland Signature balls produce as Costco usually researches/tests a product before putting the Kirkland name on it. 

... So much of the original ball test, according to Tony and his Titleist visit, bears out why some of the balls in the test performed poorly as far as dispersion or consistency. The simply have very poor quality control. An off center core will effect the ball dramatically and of course if you have 10 balls out of 12 with good QC but 2 balls out of round or suffering some other QC issue, that could be the shot you hit OB that derails your round. A bad swing produces a bad shot but the good news is maybe not as bad as it could end up being if you are playing a quality ball. So the bottom line for even high index players that think the ball won't make any difference for their game, need to rethink their position because some of their bad shots can absolutely be the ball they are playing. Why take that chance? You can always find deals on last years balls from those with the highest QC and stock up. I think the scariest thing I heard, which I had no idea before this podcast, is some of the cheaper balls when cut open had completely different materials and cores within one dozen!?!? Some 2 piece, some 3 or even 4 piece balls, all with different materials meaning the performance will be radically different for every ball. Poor quality yes, but I would have never guessed they are completely different balls in a one dozen box. 

... Lastly Tony says Titleist, Srixon and Bridgestone are to be trusted for their QC. I have been playing Z Stars and TP5x and hate to think TaylorMade is cutting corners with their QC. When you look at the men and women on tour it is easy to see Titleist, TaylorMade, Srixon and Bridgestone are the balls the pros trust. Callaway has a tour presence but we know the Pro's play a different ball than the retail version. The new Maxfli's tested well so I imagine they are included in balls you can trust. You see a few Volvik's especially on the LPGA, but Bubba playing so poorly with Volvik's and cancelling his contract is a red flag for me. I am eagerly anticipating Tony cutting balls open to test their QC in his future ball series. 

I did the Epsom water test on 3 sleeves of ProV1X(brand new older version), the first 2 sleeves all the balls tested heavy one side and they came to rest very quickly to the same point, didn't bother testing the last sleeve with QC like that. So much for Titleist's QC.

I did the same tests for 6 dozen of the newest Z Star and out of the 6 dozen about 1 dozen I would consider slightly out of balance and the other 5 were perfect, which means after every spin in the water they came up slowly to a random spot. I also tried a couple sleeves of an older Z Star XV(new balls) and they were a little more out of balance than the worst Z Stars, but near as bad as the PROV1x. So with just testing a small sample of the Z Star I would say Srixon is doing a good job with these and the QC on them.

Edited July 13, 2019 by WalterS

[pilot25]

6 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I’m just going by what mgs has on their home page. Not sure what your grudge is against mgs it their testing but I’ll be bowing out of any further discussion because it’s obvuously going nowhere 

I have no beef with MGS. You said millions of views so I just decided to look it up because millions is a crazy amount for a golf site.  Especially one not named Golf.com.  If you use a VPN your IP will change each time you log on so it'll show a unique hit.  That metric has changed how sites can justify ad dollars because people are seeking more security through VPNs.

 

Have nothing against anyone making money on a golf site.  As long as everything is as advertised.

Edited July 13, 2019 by pilot25

[pilot25]

7 hours ago, chisag said:

 

I don't play Snell balls but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate and respect someone that actually designs his own balls and has put in years of R&D.

How do you know he put in years of R&D into the "Snell" ball?   Isn't that what MGS is trying to uncover with DTC balls?

Argumentative to find truth.  If everyone is going to agree with everyone then what the hell is the point of testing anything or debating the topic.  You are too thin skinned.

If MGS is going to start a fact finding mission I'm interested.  I'm also skeptical based on some of the things MGS has done and said in the past.  Yet, I'm still interested.

I don't see why anyone is interested in rubbing the ass of Snell because he did great work for another company in his past.  Who says his product is any different than the other DTC balls?   Because he put his name on it?  Rubbish.  Prove it.

You want a forum where everyone agrees with everyone to justify your purchases.  That's ridiculous.

All three forums have a wide variety of opinions and arguments.  Spice of life.

Edited July 13, 2019 by pilot25

[pilot25]

8 hours ago, sixcat said:

You just seem oddly passionate about something so mundane! Play whatever ball floats your boat. I couldn’t care less!


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Its an interesting topic because of how people care so much about an inanimate object and brand they have no vested interest in.  Even the owner of MGS said in a video regarding how people wear branded hats, shirts, and the like.  I say Snell balls are crap based on price point, knowledge of manufacturing costs, and personal observation of people I know who use them.  I make that statement and people have a hissy fit because they think they know Snell personally.  Prove me wrong.  Isn't that what MGS is in the business for?

People are so sensitive.

 

Edited July 13, 2019 by pilot25

[chisag]

3 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

All forums regardless of genre have good and friendly conversation as well as discourse. I think some times people take things personally and conversations head down the bad path and things end up getting personal.

 

... Being an older statesman, I have seen several golf forums start out very much like MGS but it only takes a few posters that want to engage in "discourse" and it slowly gets worse until you have an entire forum of discourse. Of course I am not saying everyone should agree all the time, just disagree with a little respect. People take things personal because some posters make it personal. 

[CarlH]

Well, it's official.  I found a use for the "ignore user" button.

 

[GolfSpy_BNG]

Its an interesting topic because of how people care so much about an inanimate object and brand they have no vested interest in.  Even the owner of MGS said in a video regarding how people wear branded hats, shirts, and the like.  I say Snell balls are crap based on price point, knowledge of manufacturing costs, and personal observation of people I know who use them.  I make that statement and people have a hissy fit because they think they know Snell personally.  Prove me wrong.  Isn't that what MGS is in the business for?

People are so sensitive.

 

I am not going to engage in a back and forth with you but how can you say a Snell ball is crap if you haven’t hit one? It is like saying pxg is better than cobra because they cost more. Or maybe Taylormade is better than cobra because they finished 1st and T2 last week and cobra finished T2. I would suggest trying one before passing judgement. At least then you would have some 1st hand experience rather that just subjective opinions.

 

Edit:

For reference I am not Dean Snell, have no vested interest in the company, and have never played a Snell ball. I however will try something before calling out a product as crap!

 

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[russtopherb]

Rather funny what people will say and claim when hidden behind a screen name and a keyboard.

Knowing people who work for Snell and others who *do* know Dean personally, these recent posts make me laugh hysterically. The only thing “crap” about Snell are the uniformed opinions some have of them.


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[Tsecor]

7 hours ago, WalterS said:

I did the Epsom water test on 3 sleeves of ProV1X(brand new older version), the first 2 sleeves all the balls tested heavy one side and they came to rest very quickly to the same point, didn't bother testing the last sleeve with QC like that. So much for Titleist's QC.

I did the same tests for 6 dozen of the newest Z Star and out of the 6 dozen about 1 dozen I would consider slightly out of balance and the other 5 were perfect, which means after every spin in the water they came up slowly to a random spot. I also tried a couple sleeves of an older Z Star XV(new balls) and they were a little more out of balance than the worst Z Stars, but near as bad as the PROV1x. So with just testing a small sample of the Z Star I would say Srixon is doing a good job with these and the QC on them.

can you post pics so we can see the testing?

[pilot25]

12 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:

I am not going to engage in a back and forth with you but how can you say a Snell ball is crap if you haven’t hit one? It is like saying pxg is better than cobra because they cost more. Or maybe Taylormade is better than cobra because they finished 1st and T2 last week and cobra finished T2. I would suggest trying one before passing judgement. At least then you would have some 1st hand experience rather that just subjective opinions.

 

Edit:

For reference I am not Dean Snell, have no vested interest in the company, and have never played a Snell ball. I however will try something before calling out a product as crap!

 

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If MGS testing is accurate then no one can tell if a ball type is crap or good.  An individual ball might be good but the whole point of the testing is to find the inconsistencies throughout.  You may hit one and its good but the other 11 are garbage because of how they are manufactured.

I would like to see MGS cut open thousands of balls purchased from different areas of the country at different time frames to get a better assessment of the testing.  Just cutting open stuff you find around VA beach or wherever they are located isn't testing but its a start.

So you might think your trying out of a few Snell balls is objective but unless you try it, cut it open, and then do the same over and over.  You won't know by trying out a few.  That is the problem with DTC balls.  They have outsourced manufacturing with little QC.  One thing is certain in life in my subjective opinion.  Good things aren't cheap.  Its simple cost, revenue, supply, demand.

Edited July 14, 2019 by pilot25

[pilot25]

12 hours ago, russtopherb said:

Rather funny what people will say and claim when hidden behind a screen name and a keyboard.


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That's funny right there given your second statement.  Someone seems to always have a friend who knows someone.  Yet, answers never appear.  Just supposed to believe.

Ask them what their manufacturing oversight is in man hours per quarter?  Then I can tell you a little about their QC.  Do you know how much it costs to station just one person, overseas, to make sure those Asian plants are doing what they are supposed to do.  Its a ridiculous amount. 

 

What is interesting is the defensiveness of the product.  If MGS does actual testing and the Snell comes out like Vice and every other DTC or other manufactured ball with little QC oversight we will know.  Until then you don't know anything just because you know Snell's friend who was his one time ex-barber's plumber's helper.  The big question is if MGS will do the test objectively.  It is difficult, as a company, to trash another companies products when your livelihood depends on industry cooperation.

Edited July 14, 2019 by pilot25

[GolfSpy_BNG]

1 hour ago, pilot25 said:

If MGS testing is accurate then no one can tell if a ball type is crap or good.  An individual ball might be good but the whole point of the testing is to find the inconsistencies throughout.  You may hit one and its good but the other 11 are garbage because of how they are manufactured.

I would like to see MGS cut open thousands of balls purchased from different areas of the country at different time frames to get a better assessment of the testing.  Just cutting open stuff you find around VA beach or wherever they are located isn't testing but its a start.

So you might think your trying out of a few Snell balls is objective but unless you try it, cut it open, and then do the same over and over.  You won't know by trying out a few.  That is the problem with DTC balls.  They have outsourced manufacturing with little QC.  One thing is certain in life in my subjective opinion.  Good things aren't cheap.  Its simple cost, revenue, supply, demand.

Might I suggest becoming a donor to help with the cost of such tests then. It is one thing to make a comment like the one I highlighted of yours but it is another to help see it through. 

[GolfSpy_BNG]

1 hour ago, pilot25 said:

That's funny right there given your second statement.  Someone seems to always have a friend who knows someone.  Yet, answers never appear.  Just supposed to believe.

Ask them what their manufacturing oversight is in man hours per quarter?  Then I can tell you a little about their QC.  Do you know how much it costs to station just one person, overseas, to make sure those Asian plants are doing what they are supposed to do.  Its a ridiculous amount. 

 

What is interesting is the defensiveness of the product.  If MGS does actual testing and the Snell comes out like Vice and every other DTC or other manufactured ball with little QC oversight we will know.  Until then you don't know anything just because you know Snell's friend who was his one time ex-barber's plumber's helper.  The big question is if MGS will do the test objectively.  It is difficult, as a company, to trash another companies products when your livelihood depends on industry cooperation.

Making this statement towards another person while previously calling the Snell balls CRAP without personal experience with them seems ridiculous to me.

[chisag]

2 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:

Making this statement towards another person while previously calling the Snell balls CRAP without personal experience with them seems ridiculous to me.

 

... I have found this is the best way to deal with trolls:

 

You've chosen to ignore content by pilot25. Options 

You've chosen to ignore content by pilot25. Options 

Edited July 14, 2019 by chisag

[RickyBobby_PR]

4 hours ago, pilot25 said:

That's funny right there given your second statement.  Someone seems to always have a friend who knows someone.  Yet, answers never appear.  Just supposed to believe.

Ask them what their manufacturing oversight is in man hours per quarter?  Then I can tell you a little about their QC.  Do you know how much it costs to station just one person, overseas, to make sure those Asian plants are doing what they are supposed to do.  Its a ridiculous amount. 

 

What is interesting is the defensiveness of the product.  If MGS does actual testing and the Snell comes out like Vice and every other DTC or other manufactured ball with little QC oversight we will know.  Until then you don't know anything just because you know Snell's friend who was his one time ex-barber's plumber's helper.  The big question is if MGS will do the test objectively.  It is difficult, as a company, to trash another companies products when your livelihood depends on industry cooperation.

One thing that has been common form

mgs including after the results of the ball test was to play what you like. They went to another location to test the balls and produced the results and based on criteria they developed with the help of industry experts listed each ball into categories. They approach was here is what we found, here’s what performed at what level, pick a ball in the top two categories and test to see if it works for you, if not test others and find what works best for you.  They have also dove into the quality of the balls with the latest video/chat and that the more the company owns the process the better the quality.

Now they expanded that to further educate consumers.

the discussion is around claims vs reality and what has been discussed is that some companies claim they are designing their ball they really aren’t and are using the same design that others are using or used.

snell has a positive reputation around the golf industry and knowledge that most of the dtc brands don’t.  Will snell balls have the same quality as a Callaway who owns a large portion of the process, TaylorMade who owns less than Callaway or Bridgestone and titleist that own all of it? No but that doesn’t mean their ball is crap. It has shown to work for some better than a tour level ball.

nothing wrong with questioning the testing or disagreeing with what others say, discussion and debate are good things when done properly. Unfortunately you have some axe to grind with either mgs and/or snell. Then get defensive when facing pushback from members around here. 

Maybe instead of focusing all your attention on this axe venture around the rest of the forum and home page and see what mgs has to offer.

[PlaidJacket]

I don't have a dog in this hunt. ButI was until today probably the last person in the forum to learn about Foremost. I sent them an email because I have an interest in their range balls. My thinking is that they might be better than standard yellow or white range balls with the stripes on them. I'm just curious is all. Maybe I'll get a sample from them and cut one open. LOL

[silver & black]

Fight nice kids.

[Monaco]

Hi there, 

 

I´m a new member.

Early this year i started to try some cheaper premium balls. I want to know, if i can save some money without sacrifice performance.

 

I don´t think, that this:

"They have outsourced manufacturing with little QC.  One thing is certain in life in my subjective opinion.  Good things aren't cheap.  Its simple cost, revenue, supply, demand." 

This is crap, sorry. Sppecially without testing...

I came from Germany. Do you know VW, Audi, Skoda? All different price points, same engine! Often you pay for the name. Perhaps Titleist can sell their balls for 30$, but why they should do this? 

 

With all that staff, comes along the MGS Ball test and the last Putts given episode.... i think the main thing is really, how can a brand garantuee their quality? How do the companies that? 

If i buy a ball, it should be me, who`s driving in the water and not the ball. Thats really awful in mind! 

So for me, QC is really the most important thing.

 

What do we know? 

Do snell QC? I really really hope so! 

 

I played:

CUT - Performance was not bad, but durability is absolutly ridiculous... Each hit with a shorter iron and there are deep deep scuffs....

Vice: Like the Pro Plus more than the Pro. Good Balls. But all around performance is in each section not as good as V1 / V1x.

Snell MTB X: Better than the black for me. Durability is absolutly great! Distance and spin is that, what is see from V1x. My current gamer

Pearlgolf: Pure Pro and Pure Pro x are good Balls, very very similar to vice.... Like the X more.

Seed: The 01 an 02 are fantastic Balls. 01 is V1 similar, 02 is similar to the V1x. I like everything about these two balls. After season i will test these against the Mtb X. 

Do anyone know this brand? QC?

 

So long, my first comment. Sorry, if my english is bad.. I try hard  

 

 

 

[russtopherb]

2 hours ago, Monaco said:

Seed: The 01 an 02 are fantastic Balls. 01 is V1 similar, 02 is similar to the V1x. I like everything about these two balls. After season i will test these against the Mtb X. 

Do anyone know this brand? QC?

I had never heard of Seed until a recent YouTube video, not sure if it was Finch or Shiels. They were testing some of the Direct To Consumer balls and this was one of the options. 

Welcome to MGS! Nothing wrong at all with a long comment as your first post

[TR1PTIK]

On 7/12/2019 at 9:00 PM, pilot25 said:

Do you get to cut them open?  I'd like to see an independent person (not the staff of any site or company) cut open 12 of them and see what they look like.  Its not everyday the average person will throw their money away to cut open brand new balls for the benefit of others.

I don't think I had 12, but I just cut open several Snell MTB-Blacks last week and didn't see anything suspicious. I keep saying I'll post pictures of all the balls I've cut open, but I haven't had a good chance to do it with other things going on.

And for the record, I cut open just as many if not more Vice Pro Plus balls and didn't see anything fishy there. What they sell seems to be what you get with exception to the story about designing and engineering their own stuff.

[chisag]

4 hours ago, Monaco said:

So long, my first comment. Sorry, if my english is bad.. I try hard  

 

... Welcome. I am teaching myself Spanish and it is extremely difficult to learn a new language. You did great! 

[Kanoito]

23 hours ago, pilot25 said:

I would like to see MGS cut open thousands of balls purchased from different areas of the country at different time frames to get a better assessment of the testing.  Just cutting open stuff you find around VA beach or wherever they are located isn't testing but its a start.

And you'll help finance that experiment?

[sixcat]

5 minutes ago, Kanoito said:

And you'll help finance that experiment?

Nope, he'll just ****** about it when it's not done to his exacting standards.

[MGoBlue100]

45 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Welcome. I am teaching myself Spanish and it is extremely difficult to learn a new language. You did great! 

Right on!  Monaco, your English is much better than any of my poor attempts at another language; Bravo!  I had never heard of Seed or Pearl.  I will do some research.  Thanks for posting, stay active!! 

[Monaco]

1 hour ago, MGoBlue100 said:

I will do some research.

https://pearlgolf.com/

It`s a bavarian brand. 

https://seedgolf.com/balls

It`s an irish brand.

 

I also want tot try the Zstar and the XV. 

I read about au buy 1 get 1 free offer somewhere...

When is/was this offer? Like Titleist every year?

Only US? Like Titleist everywhere?

 

I really want to try both balls, think the XV could really suit my game. And with an offer like that... The balls cost nearly the same than my current gamer. 

 

I really like the idea to play a top performance ball, without paying the name. (to be honest, not only in golf balls: same performance, better price? why not)

 

Srixon`s quality Control seems to be very well, right???

 

I think, so far, Mr. Snell develop the Snells, not only brand the ball with SNELL. Who do anything knows about their QC?    

Edited July 15, 2019 by Monaco

[MaxEntropy]

9 minutes ago, Monaco said:

I read about au buy 1 get 1 free offer somewhere...

The buy one, get one free ended around Father's Day. I'm not sure if it was offered world-wide or if it was US only.

10 minutes ago, Monaco said:

Srixon`s quality Control seems to be very well, right???

Their QC should also be very good - just like Bridgestone, they own the entire process, even production of the raw polymers.

By the way, welcome!

[sixcat]

Dam!