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  1. 1. Which brand do you think performs the best in MGS Golf Ball Test to be revealed Monday? (I have no idea what balls are being tested but this is my best bet)

    • Bridgestone (e6, e12, Tour B X, Tour B XS, Tour B RX)
      11
    • Callaway (Chrome Soft, Chrome Soft X, ERC Soft)
      1
    • Cut (Red, Green, Blue, Black, Brown, Mauve, Burgundy, Candy Apple, Cyan, Golden Rod)
      0
    • Maxfli (Tour, Tour x)
      0
    • Mizuno (RB Tour, RB Tour X)
      0
    • Snell (MTB Red, MTB Black, MTB X)
      11
    • Srixon (Q Star, Z Star, Z Star XV, LGBTQ Star)
      4
    • TaylorMade (TP5, TP5x, Project (a), Project (s))
      8
    • Titleist (Pro V1, Pro V1x, AVX, Tour Soft, Velocity, DT TruSoft)
      15
    • Vice (Drive, Pro, Pro Plus, Pro Soft)
      5
    • Volvik (I don't even know if they're in the test)
      0
    • Wilson (DUO Soft, DUO U, FG Tour)
      0
    • Other
      1

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@sgold7  So I spent the last two hours creating my own rankings based on the fast swing speed. I'm sorry I didn't do the slow swing speed but this is time consuming without the ability of having the raw data in excel format.

So my struggle was the statistical weight of each category. Should there be equal weight on the ball speed (difference of only 2.75% from top to bottom) and carry (6.5% difference) for the driver as the offline which showed a range of over 1000% and a shot area of over 1700%? Also, should the launch angle, which only showed a difference of 0.47* from the lowest to the highest, carry equal weight? For all three areas, I wanted to see which was the most consistent, not necessarily raw distance or super low spin or straightest. 

For the driver, with the small differences in ball speed and carry, I gave more weight on the spin (lower is better for me), offline, offline st dev, and shot area. 

For the 7 iron, it was the same issue...speed only saw a 1.7% change from top to bottom with carry at the same 6.5%. There wasn't much difference in the offline among the top, so more weight was given to the offline std dev. Spin (less is more for me), Shot area and carry st dev were given the most weight. 

I have my impact ranking (ball speed and spin) and my landing ranking (Carry, Offline and Area). Both actual and std dev were ranked with more weight on the actual than std dev. 

And if someone could show me how to upload my excel tables, I'd gladly share them with every over. My rankings are a little different than Sgold7 simply due to my personal weighting

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@txgolfjunkie Good point, I only did mine for the 115 MPH swing speed as that's the closer data point to my own. 

As far as creating a table goes, copy/paste your excel data into "tabelizer" (google: tabelizer, paste your data into the large field, click 'tabalize' and then you can copy/paste your new HTML table into the post. Pretty simple. 

Seems like we had a similar strategy but we eached used our own gut feel with regard to weightings. 

How did you weight your final table? Regarding Driver v. 7i v. Wedge? 

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3 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

I cannot say this loud or strongly enough....

If you haven't yet, scan the comments at the end of the article and look for those where Tony responded.  

He has some fantastic responses to fair and legitimate questions.

Well worth your time.  WELL worth it.

Absolutely.  I just got done reading them.  I don't think I have a question that he hasn't already answered, and there's some great information in his responses that you don't necessarily get from the report.  Almost as valuable as the report itself.

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Edit: Still working on table formatting. 

My rankings show a DTC at the top...actually 3 of the top 7 are DTC...just not the ones you might think. 

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2 hours ago, mr.hicksta said:

 Lastly, I've always laughed at how tribal people get over golf gear. Seems like most amateurs would be best served to play what will help them achieve lower scores and not try to get social media brownie points from a golf equipment/ball manufacturers. 

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Wow - so much analytic work going on!

seems to me that this is almost overkill to the Nth degree. These stats are derived from a robot that hits pretty close to the same every time.    I don’t... does 3-8 yards difference .... sometimes,... make that much of a difference? I’m playing a wad of ProV’s right now and I like em. I played a wad of chrome softs a few months ago and I liked em too. But it seems this report will make everyone sell them for next to nothing because they’re too “soft”. But how I shot a -1 using those junk chrome softs is unfathomable isn’t it? I also shot a 96 at the same track with Pro Vees. Whaaaat? How can that be?

I think the best piece of advice from the whole enchilada was to “pick a ball and play it”.  Unfortunately tho, we’ll probably never know if any handicaps make a big move based on use of a single brand of ball. I think I already knew the PV1x and the srixon Z were good balls. I suppose it’s nice to learn there are lots of other “good” balls out there at bargain prices too. I’m just not good enough to make a ball decision to use exclusively from now on. 

Its all cool Info and a great piece for sure - will it affect average scores significantly? I doubt it...

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I've made an initial pass through the 2019 Golf Ball Buyers Guide. Very impressive and detailed I thought. I know the MGS staff must have put in many long hours to pull this off.  I was surprised by the Callaway showing. Not surprising that PV1 and PV1x are in the Excellent category. 

For my game I think most any ball from Excellent to Very Good will play without much difference day to day. Even a few Good ranked balls such as MG-C4, K-Sig play well I've found. Scored some of my best rounds ever with these Good balls. One point I'll make and have done so before is that; Tour Pros don't have some mysterious 6th sense that us lowly amateurs are missing. It's been written many times how Pros just know or can "feel" minuscule differences in a ball for example where people like us simply can't. Hog wash. The difference is they have an army of folks who micro manage ever detail of their game and equipment. Including making sure the balls they put in play are as close to perfect as humanly possible. The rest of us get the culls. LOL

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I have played a lot of the balls on this report and there are many that I haven't played. My individual results fit right in line with the results of the test. Some are better than others, some work for me that won't work for you. As with everything that MGS does it is a starting point, granted this one is like starting 100 yard dash 50 yards ahead of everyone else, but it still is just a starting point. Do what you would like with the data, I think the more data the better, but it is not the end game.

 

Individual results will vary. 

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11 hours ago, MattF said:

So, my brand of choice for the past few years is still coming up trumps. But combining the data on the tables to get closer to my swing speed it looks like I need to play 2 balls, the MTB-X off the tee and the MTB Black everywhere else.

I wonder if Snell can come up with a ball that combines both? 🤔

I need to restock and think I'll get 2 dozen of one and 3 dozen of the other and see what happens.

Thanks to all the staff for all the hard work.

Matt, I don’t know if you saw my post on the MTB X, but in my review of it, I said I like the X off the tee and on the green, but prefer the black for everything in between. So I feel the same way as you, let’s combine them. I have been using the MTB X for the last few rounds just to give it a really good effort with it. I do like it. After this ball testing I will stick with the X, and then use the Black during the winter months as it is softer, but with the cold temps it will feel firmer. 

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I've personally tested the Bridgestone b x and b xs, on a launch monitor and on the course. I found the inverse of the mgs report for those balls. The b xs was lower spinning, tighter dispersion, and longer. I hit 7-10 shots per club, per ball with wedge, 8, 6, and 4. I then took the balls on the course and found the b xs to be 1/2 club longer off the irons and equal distance off the driver. The b xs was closer to the performance of the old b330. It seems to me that Bridgestone changed the dynamics from the b330 and b330s. I figured the b x would be closest to the b330 but it wasn't. 

Anyone else have similar results with the b x and b xs?

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I’m almost in information overload here. I was holding off on picking my first “good” ball until this report and now I feel almost paralysis by analysis.

I carry my decent drives around 220-230 with my current gamer (Wilson Staff 50/50 elite) and around 135-145 with my 7. I’ve been clocked as high as 101 on a GC2 but averaged around 94-96 on my fitting. Big miss is a huge slice that will still carry 220+ but end up 1-2 fairways right. That’s what scares me off the tee more than anything.

In my initial research prior to this report I thought I had found my new ball in the E12 soft/speed or Q Star tour but the dispersion of the Q Star has me terrified that it could accentuate that bad miss.

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Oh BTW, it's been rumored that if you lefties head to the southern hemisphere, the right-handed balls work just fine!  🤣


It's no wonder I played so well when we were in Australia


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Here goes nothing...(edited to just attach photos to post because I can't get the HTML code to post the table correctly)...

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So here are my results, according to my selfish needs in a golf ball. These are strictly from the 115mph swing speed. Also, I eliminated the Srixon Yellow ball because the table on MGS kept moving around with 36 balls in the table and stayed perfect at 35 balls. 

For each club, I looked at Ball Speed, Spin and Spin Std Dev at impact and then Carry, Carry Std Dev, Offline, Offline Std Dev, and Shot area. Each category received different weighting after looking at the results from MGS and depending on my needs (I'm a high spin player and need low spin off the tee and 7 iron while I need high/consistent spin around the greens...cause who doesn't?!). 

For Driver, I gave a full credit point of the weight of the results to Offline, Offline Std Dev and shot area. The carry Std Dev showed good discrepancy so it was given three quarters credit while the spin was given half the credit. The ball speeds and carry distances were all similar (percentage wise) so they were all give a quarter credit of the weight.

Notes from results: At impact, the MG Tour, TP5X, Tour B RX, ERC Soft, and Tour B X finished in the top five for highest ball speeds combined with lowest spin. Again, I need low spin off the tee so while the Snell MTB-X had the highest ball speed, it was 11th in driver spin. As far as consistency upon the ball landing (which carries a lot of weight in my analysis), the Cut Blue was the straightest, and flew the most consistent. It was the middle of the pack in distance, but was 3rd in Offline, 4th in Offline Std Dev and 6th in Shot Area. The Vice Pro, Z Star, TP5 and Vice Pro Soft rounded out the top 5 in straightest, most consistent ball flight. 

For 7 iron, once again the ball speeds and carry distances received a quarter credit due to very similar results across all 35 balls. The Spin Std Dev, Shot area, and Offline Std Dev all received half credit, the Spin (lower is better for my game) and Carry Std Dev received three-quarter credit and the Offline received a full credit. Why? Because that's what I view most important on the approach shot...will it travel straight and carry a consistent distance. 

Notes from results: The Volvik Vivid Soft was the winner at impact with it's low, yet consistent spin. The Vice Pro Soft, Titleist AVX, Chrome Soft X and Tour B RX finished out the top five for best impact results. Now, I'm not looking for the longest, lowest spinning ball out there, I want a ball that will do what I expect it to do time and time again. The best approach golf ball with a 7 iron was the Srixon Z Star XV. The Std Dev on the carry and nearly straight ball flight help win the category. Though it finished middle of the pack on the offline std dev, it still held off to beat the Vice Pro Soft, Srixon Z Star, Pro V1x and Chrome Soft X. 

For Wedge, there are some categories where the difference between first and last was very small in total and in percentage. At 85 yards, most golf balls launched at the same speed, carried the same distance, and stayed relatively straight. My main focus was on spin (higher the better for me) and on spin std dev. For that, the Pro V1 and TP5X spun the most consistently with the Kirkland, Mizuno Tour X and Chrome Soft right behind them. 

Overall, any of my top 10 would probably suffice and you're really just picking and choosing qualities you want in a ball. Do you want raw distance? Do you want consistent distance? Do you want a low spinning ball off the tee and a high spinning ball off the wedge? My opinion changes every time I look at the supporting data for this chart. 

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1 hour ago, icantbebigwill said:

my current gamer (Wilson Staff 50/50 elite) 

My $0.02 ain't even worth 2¢ but.. tried a few of those once (clearance table at PGATSS) and for me, a high handicapper hacker, felt like it had a harder cover than I prefer. Absolutely no clue if that has any effect .. or not .. on spin, dispersion, etc...?

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1 hour ago, txgolfjunkie said:

Here goes nothing...(edited to just attach photos to post because I can't get the HTML code to post the table correctly)...

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So here are my results, according to my selfish needs in a golf ball. These are strictly from the 115mph swing speed. Also, I eliminated the Srixon Yellow ball because the table on MGS kept moving around with 36 balls in the table and stayed perfect at 35 balls. 

For each club, I looked at Ball Speed, Spin and Spin Std Dev at impact and then Carry, Carry Std Dev, Offline, Offline Std Dev, and Shot area. Each category received different weighting after looking at the results from MGS and depending on my needs (I'm a high spin player and need low spin off the tee and 7 iron while I need high/consistent spin around the greens...cause who doesn't?!). 

For Driver, I gave a full credit point of the weight of the results to Offline, Offline Std Dev and shot area. The carry Std Dev showed good discrepancy so it was given three quarters credit while the spin was given half the credit. The ball speeds and carry distances were all similar (percentage wise) so they were all give a quarter credit of the weight.

Notes from results: At impact, the MG Tour, TP5X, Tour B RX, ERC Soft, and Tour B X finished in the top five for highest ball speeds combined with lowest spin. Again, I need low spin off the tee so while the Snell MTB-X had the highest ball speed, it was 11th in driver spin. As far as consistency upon the ball landing (which carries a lot of weight in my analysis), the Cut Blue was the straightest, and flew the most consistent. It was the middle of the pack in distance, but was 3rd in Offline, 4th in Offline Std Dev and 6th in Shot Area. The Vice Pro, Z Star, TP5 and Vice Pro Soft rounded out the top 5 in straightest, most consistent ball flight. 

For 7 iron, once again the ball speeds and carry distances received a quarter credit due to very similar results across all 35 balls. The Spin Std Dev, Shot area, and Offline Std Dev all received half credit, the Spin (lower is better for my game) and Carry Std Dev received three-quarter credit and the Offline received a full credit. Why? Because that's what I view most important on the approach shot...will it travel straight and carry a consistent distance. 

Notes from results: The Volvik Vivid Soft was the winner at impact with it's low, yet consistent spin. The Vice Pro Soft, Titleist AVX, Chrome Soft X and Tour B RX finished out the top five for best impact results. Now, I'm not looking for the longest, lowest spinning ball out there, I want a ball that will do what I expect it to do time and time again. The best approach golf ball with a 7 iron was the Srixon Z Star XV. The Std Dev on the carry and nearly straight ball flight help win the category. Though it finished middle of the pack on the offline std dev, it still held off to beat the Vice Pro Soft, Srixon Z Star, Pro V1x and Chrome Soft X. 

For Wedge, there are some categories where the difference between first and last was very small in total and in percentage. At 85 yards, most golf balls launched at the same speed, carried the same distance, and stayed relatively straight. My main focus was on spin (higher the better for me) and on spin std dev. For that, the Pro V1 and TP5X spun the most consistently with the Kirkland, Mizuno Tour X and Chrome Soft right behind them. 

Overall, any of my top 10 would probably suffice and you're really just picking and choosing qualities you want in a ball. Do you want raw distance? Do you want consistent distance? Do you want a low spinning ball off the tee and a high spinning ball off the wedge? My opinion changes every time I look at the supporting data for this chart. 

Thanks for posting this, gave me the idea to the same for myself and when factoring in the most important things to me (Offline, Shot Area, Drive Distance) The Vice Pro, zStar, and Pro v's rise to the top.  Given the huge price discrepancy when ordering 5+ I think I'm going to go all in with the Vice Pro.

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7 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... I now I am sounding like a broken record but not only are the Snells a great deal hen you buy at least 3 dozen drops the price to under $30 but the Maxfli Tour balls are on sale thru 5/4 at 2 for $50. Normally $34.99 so really a great deal on a ball that tested well. And keep in mind the variances of balls that may or may not have some off center issues, the Maxfli's are aligned for optimum performance off the tee or on the green where you can use the balanced alignment aid. MGS did not align the Maxfli's during the test and I would think there is a very good chance their test performance would be even better had they done so. But I understand why they didn't to keep things equal. 

... I have been writing reviews for over 20 years now and have been accused of "selling out" too many times to count, especially at WRX where I stopped posting reviews. I have absolutely no doubt MGS accepting advertising with Snell has zero influence on anything they do. It can be a catch 22 for the OEM when a site loves their product and they want to take advantage of the good press, at least for conspiracy theorists. 🙄 

I was not intending to make it seem as I thought Snell had any influence over MGS, just that many will perceive it that way. Similar arguments have been made about Tour Edge, Tommy Armour and EvnRoll as MGS takes advertising dollars from them.

Maxfli balls seem like a great option. They don't seem to be available in Canada though, so get as many on sale boxes as you can, but I'm not going to be able to take part. The treatment golfers in Canada get (despite having one of the highest golfers per capita in the WORLD) is criminal as we miss out on lots of companies selling up here and the prices are terrible.

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7 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... I now I am sounding like a broken record but not only are the Snells a great deal hen you buy at least 3 dozen drops the price to under $30 but the Maxfli Tour balls are on sale thru 5/4 at 2 for $50. Normally $34.99 so really a great deal on a ball that tested well. And keep in mind the variances of balls that may or may not have some off center issues, the Maxfli's are aligned for optimum performance off the tee or on the green where you can use the balanced alignment aid. MGS did not align the Maxfli's during the test and I would think there is a very good chance their test performance would be even better had they done so. But I understand why they didn't to keep things equal. 

... I have been writing reviews for over 20 years now and have been accused of "selling out" too many times to count, especially at WRX where I stopped posting reviews. I have absolutely no doubt MGS accepting advertising with Snell has zero influence on anything they do. It can be a catch 22 for the OEM when a site loves their product and they want to take advantage of the good press, at least for conspiracy theorists. 🙄

Haters gonna hate, I really enjoy your reviews.

7 hours ago, sgold7 said:

I love data and I'm glad the MGS crew gave us all of theirs! I'm also a fan of trying to use the data to draw my own conclusions; when my conclusions are corroborated by the MGS crew it's better than me going into my spreadsheets with preconceived notions. 

Biases:

I used the Pro Plus in the first half of '18 and V1x's in the second half. I'm a huge Tiger fan so I'm partial to the Bridgestone as well, though I do enjoy looking down at the clean cursive "Titleist" on the ball. I play Mizuno clubs and used a Mizuno baseball glove since high school and it's been 10 years with that glove still playing softball, so I do like their products. 

Lastly, my game is steadily improving from never breaking 100 last year at this time to shooting sub-90s in the hardest course in the area now with a career low of 81. I smash the ball, over 115 MPH swing speed (improved from 116 to 121 thanks to the Super Speed sticks and documented my progress in that thread)--- but the problem is it doesn't go straight. I fight a major slice and use mostly 3W off the tee because I can still get it out there around 265+. 

My ball flight is getting to be much more consistent (draw) and my touch around the green is improving. I love the way the V1x's feel off the putter and around the green. "They Say" you should start around the green and work back when testing balls, so I'm hesitant to switch from the V1x--- but I'm not doing my due diligence if I'm not running the numbers myself and testing a few others. So here's what I did:

I took all the balls I'd consider (tour balls from Bridgestone, Titleist, Snell, Srixon, & Vice) and found Z-Scores in each category I deemed important for each phase of the game. I then weighted each component that was tested and got a final Z-Score (real quick Z-Score primer: 0 is average. +1 is better than 66% of the comp. +2 is better than 95% of the comp. Minuses are inverse.). For the driver I weighted distance the most, dispersion the second most, etc. For the wedges I didn't weight distance at all, weighted shot area and offline pretty heavily--- though I did weigh the STDev of the distance (I don't care how far the wedges go, as long as they go the same distance every time). 

I'd be more than happy to go as in depth on my weightings if you guys want to get into the minutia but I'll try and keep it a bit less granular for post one...

Driver:

 (the final column on the right is 'Distance 50%, Offline 25%, and spin 25%'. I left launch out of the calculation because if something is long and straight I don't really care if it's high or low launch). Numbers at the bottom, top is average, bottom is STDEV.

Driver Carry Offline Launch Spin zCarry zOff zLAng zSpin Grade
Snell MTB-X 289 8.6 12.3 2206 2.24 -0.66 0.27 0.57 1.09
Bridgestone Tour BX 286 3.4 12.4 2171 1.34 0.67 1.08 0.90 1.06
Srixon Qstar Tour 283 1.7 12.3 2129 0.44 1.11 0.27 1.29 0.82
Titelist Pro V1x 282 4 12.3 2254 0.14 0.52 0.27 0.13 0.23
Bridgestone Tour B RX 282 7.9 12.3 2163 0.14 -0.48 0.27 0.98 0.19
Titelist Pro V1 281 5.1 12.4 2240 -0.16 0.24 1.08 0.26 0.04
Srixon Zstar 281 3 12.2 2307 -0.16 0.78 -0.54 -0.37 0.02
Vice Pro 279 0.5 12.3 2270 -0.76 1.41 0.27 -0.02 -0.03
Snell MTB Black 280 5.4 12.3 2205 -0.46 0.16 0.27 0.58 -0.04
Bridgestone Tour B XS 282 6.4 12.1 2367 0.14 -0.09 -1.35 -0.93 -0.18
Mizuno RB Tour 285 11.2 12.1 2460 1.04 -1.32 -1.35 -1.80 -0.25
Bridgestone Tour B RXS 278 0.6 12.4 2331 -1.06 1.39 1.08 -0.59 -0.33
Srixon Zstar XV 281 12.5 12.4 2248 -0.16 -1.65 1.08 0.18 -0.44
Vice Pro Plus 276 9.1 12.2 2171 -1.66 -0.78 -0.54 0.90 -0.80
Mizuno RB Tour X 278 11.1 12 2492 -1.06 -1.30 -2.16 -2.09 -1.37
                   
  281.5 6.03 12.2 2267.6          
  3.33 3.91 0.12 107.1          

Takeaways & Questions:

If you don't care about anything but distance, the Snell MTB-X is the no brainier, but that strong negative grade in zOff gives me hesitation (Offline pretty significantly more than the other top-tier driving balls). The BStone Tour BX and the QStar Tour would be the balls I'd play if I only did this analysis on driver. The Titleist and the other Bridgestone right behind were good to see. There seem to be 5-6 balls that are a clear notch or two above the rest---but as everyone and their mother says regarding fittings, focus on the wedges and irons. 

7 Iron

7 Iron Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin Carry Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Langle Spin  
Srixon Zstar XV 195.7 0.81 2.49 3.02 31 16.7 5985 -0.33 1.86 2.08 -0.21 1.04 -0.71 0.52 0.83
Titelist Pro V1x 197.3 1.41 5.48 2.07 37 16.7 6022 0.24 1.15 -0.16 0.68 0.93 -0.71 0.60 0.57
Bridgestone Tour B RXS 203.4 2.65 4.37 1.41 47 17.5 4994 2.38 -0.32 0.67 1.29 0.74 1.62 -1.74 0.50
Bridgestone Tour B XS 193.8 3.07 4.49 0.81 31 16.6 6000 -0.99 -0.82 0.58 1.85 1.04 -1.00 0.55 0.37
Mizuno RB Tour X 193.8 1.69 5.76 2.21 47 16.7 6365 -0.99 0.82 -0.36 0.55 0.74 -0.71 1.39 0.36
Srixon Zstar 196 1.12 7.38 1.98 28 17 5634 -0.22 1.49 -1.58 0.76 1.10 0.17 -0.28 0.21
Vice Pro 196.9 2.06 5.76 2.13 55 17 5619 0.10 0.38 -0.36 0.62 0.59 0.17 -0.31 0.17
Mizuno RB Tour 192.5 2.25 5.45 2.28 65 16.5 6423 -1.45 0.15 -0.13 0.48 0.41 -1.29 1.52 0.16
Vice Pro Plus 196.9 2.65 6.14 2.67 89 17.1 5510 0.10 -0.32 -0.65 0.12 -0.04 0.46 -0.56 -0.23
Srixon Qstar Tour 199.7 2.79 2.55 4.18 147 17.6 5045 1.08 -0.49 2.03 -1.29 -1.12 1.92 -1.62 -0.23
Snell MTB-X 194 2.06 6.48 4.01 104 16.6 6134 -0.92 0.38 -0.90 -1.13 -0.32 -1.00 0.86 -0.34
Titelist Pro V1 196.3 3.25 6.16 3.34 137 16.85 5968 -0.11 -1.04 -0.66 -0.51 -0.93 -0.27 0.48 -0.46
Bridgestone Tour B RX 200.6 2.93 5.07 4.39 162 17.4 5188 1.40 -0.66 0.15 -1.49 -1.40 1.33 -1.30 -0.55
Snell MTB Black 196.1 3.27 5.69 3.64 150 17.1 5691 -0.19 -1.06 -0.31 -0.79 -1.18 0.46 -0.15 -0.61
Bridgestone Tour B X 196.4 3.65 5.81 3.79 173 16.8 5773 -0.08 -1.51 -0.40 -0.93 -1.60 -0.42 0.04 -0.75
                               
  196.63 2.38 5.27 2.80 86.87 16.94 5756.73                
  2.84 0.84 1.34 1.07 53.68 0.34 438.65                

Takeaways:

I weighted six categories equally for the 7-iron test: Carry, Carry STDEV, Offline, Offline STD, Shot Area, Spin. So if you think about it, it's 2/6 distance, 3/6 accuracy, and 1/6 spin. Maybe I underrated spin a tad, and when re-adjusting it to make spin more important, nothing unexpected happened: The Mizuno balls jumped up to .57 and .44, the BStone Tour RXS dropped from .5 to .07. 

Frankly, I wasn't totally sure what I'm 'looking for' with regards to a longish iron like this. For me, a 7-iron is 175 yards so there isn't really too much to conclude regarding this. Good to see the V1x grade well. The Bridgestone Tour B X with the lowest ranking grade is a surprise after it was the best non-Snell driving ball. The dispersion grades on the Tour BX were all very positive with the driver but very low with the 7-iron. But the overall dispersion offline with the driver was 3.4 yards and with the 7-iron it's only 3.79. So the dispersion is similar, its just that the average dispersion with the driver is way above 3.4 while the 7-iron dispersion average is below. Interesting none-the-less. 

Wedges:

Wedges Spin Spin STD Carry STD Offline Offline STD Shot Area Spin Spn STD Cry STD Offline Off STD Area  
Vice Pro Plus 8993 77 4 0.07 9.3 11 -0.92 0.60 0.70 1.67 0.45 0.68 0.53
Titelist Pro V1 9519 44 4.5 0.29 8 28 0.63 1.11 0.49 0.73 0.73 -0.63 0.51
Bridgestone Tour B X 9523 58 4 0.3 12.1 17 0.64 0.89 0.70 0.68 -0.14 0.22 0.50
Titelist Pro V1x 9524 63 3.7 0.52 8.2 20 0.65 0.81 0.82 -0.26 0.69 -0.01 0.45
Snell MTB Black 9294 72 4.7 0.45 9 6 -0.03 0.67 0.41 0.04 0.52 1.07 0.45
Bridgestone Tour B XS 9364 58 8.8 0.52 5 8 0.18 0.89 -1.23 -0.26 1.37 0.91 0.31
Mizuno RB Tour X 9887 125 5.8 0.55 12 13 1.71 -0.15 -0.03 -0.39 -0.12 0.53 0.26
Srixon Zstar 9341 168 1.5 0.62 8 24 0.11 -0.81 1.70 -0.69 0.73 -0.32 0.12
Vice Pro 9147 104 5.8 0.59 7.6 10 -0.46 0.18 -0.03 -0.56 0.82 0.76 0.12
Bridgestone Tour B RX 8886 86 3.8 0.12 10.9 36 -1.23 0.46 0.78 1.46 0.11 -1.24 0.06
Snell MTB-X 9641 103 5.5 0.58 21.5 12 0.99 0.20 0.09 -0.52 -2.15 0.61 -0.13
Bridgestone Tour B RXS 8754 143 7.4 0.36 15.3 14 -1.62 -0.42 -0.67 0.42 -0.83 0.45 -0.44
Srixon Zstar XV 9421 138 7.5 0.47 9.5 54 0.34 -0.35 -0.71 -0.05 0.41 -2.63 -0.50
Mizuno RB Tour 9554 263 11.6 0.39 15 32 0.73 -2.28 -2.35 0.30 -0.76 -0.93 -0.88
Srixon Qstar Tour 8718 232 7.4 1.05 20 13 -1.72 -1.80 -0.67 -2.54 -1.83 0.53 -1.34
                           
  9304.4 115.6 5.7 0.5 11.4 19.9              
  340.1 64.6 2.5 0.2 4.7 13.0              

 

Takeaways: 

I just did an equal-weighting of the six factors here, which brings it to accuracy in 4/6 (carry STD, offline, offline STD, and shot area) and spin in 2/6 (spin and spin STD, though you could argue spin STD is more in the accuracy category. Regardless, the Vice Pro Plus graded out very well---but had one of the worst spin ratings. I should have probably weighted spin much higher as the accuracy numbers were so close together. 

There were 4 balls that graded very well in the spin category without any severe negatives: ProV1, V1x, BStone Tour B, and Mizuno Tour X. The Mizuno Tour X had the highest spin but graded out slightly negative in aggregate of the rest of the accuracy categories. The three others all had near-identical spin numbers (the V1 was the most consistent spinner) and the highest overall grade aside from the Vice Pro Plus. 

Questions: 

Before I go into the final table (an aggregate of all three shots) I'd like to pose this question:

*How would you weight each category for each swing? Meaning, would you keep the wedges at a 6-category average? Or would you raise the spin weighting to, say, 50% and then you have 50% spin and 50% accuracy? With the driver, is distance way more important than accuracy? Should i have 75% distance and 25% accuracy? Or maybe only 25% distance? I'm not expecting the weightings to change the overall findings too much, but I'd be happy to run different numbers. 

Final Table (fourth column is a 40/20/40 weighting, the last column is 33% each):

Ball Driver 7-Iron Wedge   40/20/40 33
Bridgestone Tour BX 1.06 0.37 0.31   0.62 0.58
Titelist Pro V1x 0.23 0.57 0.45   0.39 0.42
Snell MTB-X 1.10 -0.34 -0.13   0.32 0.21
Titelist Pro V1 0.04 -0.46 0.51   0.13 0.03
Srixon Zstar 0.02 0.21 0.12   0.10 0.12
Vice Pro -0.03 0.17 0.12   0.07 0.08
Snell MTB Black -0.04 -0.61 0.45   0.04 -0.07
Bridgestone Tour B RX 0.19 -0.55 0.06   -0.01 -0.10
Bridgestone Tour B XS -0.19 -0.75 0.50   -0.02 -0.15
Vice Pro Plus -0.80 -0.23 0.53   -0.15 -0.17
Bridgestone Tour B RXS -0.33 0.50 -0.44   -0.21 -0.09
Srixon Zstar XV -0.45 0.83 -0.50   -0.21 -0.04
Srixon Qstar Tour 0.82 -0.23 -1.34   -0.25 -0.25
Mizuno RB Tour X -1.38 0.36 0.26   -0.38 -0.25
Mizuno RB Tour -0.26 0.16 -0.88   -0.42 -0.33

So we went over some of the potential issues within each category but generally speaking, however you weight these, good driving balls will grade good and bad driving balls will grade poor. Lets not overcomplicate things too much... 

Takeaways:

The Bridgestone Tour BX has 'won' the competition! Right? Well, maybe. 

When the Snell guy comes out and says that all tour balls are good off the tee and we should be focusing on 100 yards and in, it's important to take note---especially considering Snell had the longest ball. When I miss-hit a drive, whether it's a V1x, a Bridgestone, a Snell or a tennis ball, it's missing 50 yards right. Period. So I put a lot more weighting into the non-driving stats. 

Because I value the iron and wedge play more, if I had to only use this data to make a decision... I'd probably be sticking with the V1x. Throughout every category across all shots it only has two slight negative grades (nothing worse than a -.3). The Tour BX had the highest iron carry standard deviation---which means the distance on iron shots is the least consistent of any ball. This is a major issue. It also had a pretty strong negative grade in the 'offline' category which means not only is there distance variance but there's side to side variance culminating in a shot area grade of -1.6, the worst of any ball. That's a major red flag. 

The other balls that will have me giving them a bit of consideration are polar opposites of each other: The Snell MTB-X and the Mizuno RB Tour X. One is the longest ball off the tee with negative iron and wedge grades (Snell). The other is a short ball off the tee with all kinds of inconsistencies (offline more than any ball but 2 with the least consistent launch angle and the least consistent spin numbers) but is a very accurate iron ball and is the highest-spinning wedge ball. I'm probably more interested in the Mizuno than the Snell but they both are intriguing. 

Lastly, aside from the Bridgestone BX and the Pro V1x, the Srizon ZStar is the only ball to grade positively in all three categories. The issue is it grades worse than the V1x in pretty much every single way. It's slightly shorter and less consistent on the tee (though slightly more accurate), slightly shorter and a good bit less accurate as a 7-iron (with less spin), and although it does have a more consistent carry distance it spins way less and is offline way more in the wedge play. 

In conclusion, my numbers backed up the MGS test pretty consistently. If I had to apply these balls to the grading scale MGS used it would look like this:

Excellent: Pro V1x - simply no faults. The only one that can say that.

Very good (would be excellent if not for one decent to significant sized fault): BStone Tour BX (7-iron accuracy is dead last), Srixson ZStar (7-iron accuracy is bad, wedge accuracy is below-average without plus spin)

Intriguing (Some major faults but so good in other areas, I'd consider giving them a shot): Mizuno RB Tour (The spiniest ball in both the 7-iron and wedge category by a wide margin, very accurate with the 7-iron ... but its significantly the worst driving ball (tied for second shortest carry (though a low launch angle helps but that's offset by more spin) and very poor accuracy grades in the driver category.

The ProV1 is also a quality ball but I know from prior testing I'm V1x >V1 so I didn't focus too much on the V1.

Hopefully a few people got thru this long-winded post and got something out of it. Is there anything else you guys would want me to take a look at regarding different weightings or adding any other balls? 

Cheers!

 

1 hour ago, txgolfjunkie said:

Here goes nothing...(edited to just attach photos to post because I can't get the HTML code to post the table correctly)...

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So here are my results, according to my selfish needs in a golf ball. These are strictly from the 115mph swing speed. Also, I eliminated the Srixon Yellow ball because the table on MGS kept moving around with 36 balls in the table and stayed perfect at 35 balls. 

For each club, I looked at Ball Speed, Spin and Spin Std Dev at impact and then Carry, Carry Std Dev, Offline, Offline Std Dev, and Shot area. Each category received different weighting after looking at the results from MGS and depending on my needs (I'm a high spin player and need low spin off the tee and 7 iron while I need high/consistent spin around the greens...cause who doesn't?!). 

For Driver, I gave a full credit point of the weight of the results to Offline, Offline Std Dev and shot area. The carry Std Dev showed good discrepancy so it was given three quarters credit while the spin was given half the credit. The ball speeds and carry distances were all similar (percentage wise) so they were all give a quarter credit of the weight.

Notes from results: At impact, the MG Tour, TP5X, Tour B RX, ERC Soft, and Tour B X finished in the top five for highest ball speeds combined with lowest spin. Again, I need low spin off the tee so while the Snell MTB-X had the highest ball speed, it was 11th in driver spin. As far as consistency upon the ball landing (which carries a lot of weight in my analysis), the Cut Blue was the straightest, and flew the most consistent. It was the middle of the pack in distance, but was 3rd in Offline, 4th in Offline Std Dev and 6th in Shot Area. The Vice Pro, Z Star, TP5 and Vice Pro Soft rounded out the top 5 in straightest, most consistent ball flight. 

For 7 iron, once again the ball speeds and carry distances received a quarter credit due to very similar results across all 35 balls. The Spin Std Dev, Shot area, and Offline Std Dev all received half credit, the Spin (lower is better for my game) and Carry Std Dev received three-quarter credit and the Offline received a full credit. Why? Because that's what I view most important on the approach shot...will it travel straight and carry a consistent distance. 

Notes from results: The Volvik Vivid Soft was the winner at impact with it's low, yet consistent spin. The Vice Pro Soft, Titleist AVX, Chrome Soft X and Tour B RX finished out the top five for best impact results. Now, I'm not looking for the longest, lowest spinning ball out there, I want a ball that will do what I expect it to do time and time again. The best approach golf ball with a 7 iron was the Srixon Z Star XV. The Std Dev on the carry and nearly straight ball flight help win the category. Though it finished middle of the pack on the offline std dev, it still held off to beat the Vice Pro Soft, Srixon Z Star, Pro V1x and Chrome Soft X. 

For Wedge, there are some categories where the difference between first and last was very small in total and in percentage. At 85 yards, most golf balls launched at the same speed, carried the same distance, and stayed relatively straight. My main focus was on spin (higher the better for me) and on spin std dev. For that, the Pro V1 and TP5X spun the most consistently with the Kirkland, Mizuno Tour X and Chrome Soft right behind them. 

Overall, any of my top 10 would probably suffice and you're really just picking and choosing qualities you want in a ball. Do you want raw distance? Do you want consistent distance? Do you want a low spinning ball off the tee and a high spinning ball off the wedge? My opinion changes every time I look at the supporting data for this chart. 

You two are bigger nerds than me, that's sayin something. Thanks for doing these, it's cool to see what people do with data and I wish I was better at Excel. The most work I ever put into it was to build a Daily Fantasy Sports (Draftkings) lineup optimizer for NBA and NFL. I was doing pretty good until the site got banned in Hawaii 😞

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On 4/29/2019 at 12:18 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

Compression matters. Slower speeds don’t compress some tour level balls that well. 

I supposed that makes sense. I didn't give it that much thought. My swing speed is around 108 mph so that is not to much of a concern for myself. However I'll remember this data the next time my two boys need balls.

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2 hours ago, newballcoach said:

I was not intending to make it seem as I thought Snell had any influence over MGS, just that many will perceive it that way. Similar arguments have been made about Tour Edge, Tommy Armour and EvnRoll as MGS takes advertising dollars from them.

Maxfli balls seem like a great option. They don't seem to be available in Canada though, so get as many on sale boxes as you can, but I'm not going to be able to take part. The treatment golfers in Canada get (despite having one of the highest golfers per capita in the WORLD) is criminal as we miss out on lots of companies selling up here and the prices are terrible.

 

... That is the way I read your post. 👍  Others, or as I called them the conspiracy theorists, may wanna make much ado about nothing.  Bummer you can't get the Maxfli's in Canada. Canadian's certainly do love their golf! I played as a single most everyday here in Phoenix this winter and my guess is 60% of the people I have paired up with are from Canada. Played with a nice lady from Ontario today that played in college and she was a real treat to watch. 

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