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Golf Ball Test Results...Pre-Reveal  

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  1. 1. Which brand do you think performs the best in MGS Golf Ball Test to be revealed Monday? (I have no idea what balls are being tested but this is my best bet)

    • Bridgestone (e6, e12, Tour B X, Tour B XS, Tour B RX)
      11
    • Callaway (Chrome Soft, Chrome Soft X, ERC Soft)
      1
    • Cut (Red, Green, Blue, Black, Brown, Mauve, Burgundy, Candy Apple, Cyan, Golden Rod)
      0
    • Maxfli (Tour, Tour x)
      0
    • Mizuno (RB Tour, RB Tour X)
      0
    • Snell (MTB Red, MTB Black, MTB X)
      11
    • Srixon (Q Star, Z Star, Z Star XV, LGBTQ Star)
      4
    • TaylorMade (TP5, TP5x, Project (a), Project (s))
      8
    • Titleist (Pro V1, Pro V1x, AVX, Tour Soft, Velocity, DT TruSoft)
      15
    • Vice (Drive, Pro, Pro Plus, Pro Soft)
      5
    • Volvik (I don't even know if they're in the test)
      0
    • Wilson (DUO Soft, DUO U, FG Tour)
      0
    • Other
      1

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Top 5 or 6 in driver launch angle, spin and distance with driver at 115 mph. What’s not to like ?


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I think the article mentioned a wayward shot or two at the 115 swing speed and that dropped it to a lower ranking. But I’m certainly no expert on this subject. I’m mid 90s and played it a lot last year and think it is great. Probably the straightest ball off the tee I have ever played.


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:cleveland-small: - Launcher Turbo 2 hybrid

:cobra-small: - F9 One Length 3-L

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I bought (pre-test report) 4 dozen 5A Mint QStarTour from LGB for $9/dozen. I’ve been very pleased with the results. I’ll keep using them and if I find a stinker, I’ll just throw it out at that price.

 

 

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Driver:   :srixon-small: z785 10.5 - Miyazaki Kaula Mizo 5 R-flex

Fairway:srixon-small: f65 15* and 19* - Miyazaki Kaula Mizo 5 R-flex

Irons:Hogan: PTxPro 4-PW - UST Mamiya Recoil 780 F4

Wedges: :taylormade-small: HiToe 50*-54*-60* stock steel shafts

Putter:  :taylormade-small: Spider Tour Red Sightline - double-bend black steel 34"

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5 hours ago, Pug said:

Got 2 dozen Chrome Soft for Christmas then I read the test and watched the video.  We know from both that I bought into the hype about “feel” so into the shag bag they go. Went to the Bridgestone website and did the online test. The recommended ball? The e 12 Soft. 😖Bridgestone needs to catch up. Looks like I am going to be buying a couple of sleeves of Tour BX and Pro Vx and doing my own test. 

Once again my hat is off to MGS for this great test. I only wish I had the info before my wife asked me what I wanted for Christmas!

Would I buy Chrome Soft based on this testing? Nope, but that said, they aren't bad balls, I wouldn't scrap them. Depending on your swing speed you are talking 4-9 yards shorter on drives to the average ball in the test. After that they score well with the 7 iron results and the wedges, easily top half in both those tests. And depending on how you want to twist the data potentially better than ProV1 and TP5, so in the scoring areas they are great. 

 

I feel like Callaway should have jumped on that in their press release. I'll play Callaway PR for a moment:

 

The Callaway Chromesoft, more accurate than TP5 and ProV1 from 135 yards in. When scoring matters. 

*source MGS, largest independent golf equipment tester.

 

Instead they went sour grapes, shame. 

 

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WITB:

Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :callaway-small:  Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Thin2win said:

Would I buy Chrome Soft based on this testing? Nope, but that said, they aren't bad balls, I wouldn't scrap them. Depending on your swing speed you are talking 4-9 yards shorter on drives to the average ball in the test. After that they score well with the 7 iron results and the wedges, easily top half in both those tests. And depending on how you want to twist the data potentially better than ProV1 and TP5, so in the scoring areas they are great. 

 

I feel like Callaway should have jumped on that in their press release. I'll play Callaway PR for a moment:

 

The Callaway Chromesoft, more accurate than TP5 and ProV1 from 135 yards in. When scoring matters. 

*source MGS, largest independent golf equipment tester.

 

Instead they went sour grapes, shame. 

 

I’m not well versed in the subject and as a result not sure I buy into strokes gained stuff but everywhere I look it’s the distance aspect and proximity to the hole are pretty big topics of discussion. Overall imo 4-5 maybe 6 yards isn’t much but when getting into 7+ extra yards that’s close to one club closer to the green. Which means hitting an easier club into the green and more than likely improving proximity to the and having a better chance of one putting.

 

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Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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I'm not sure why they would claim using a robot to test a golf ball is not an accurate assessment of the flight characteristics of a ball. I wonder what they use during their R&D. Maybe MGS didn't use the proper clubs mounted to the robot or something. The point is all the balls were tested using the same setup, so it may not be an absolute accurate representation of any one ball  but it would be an accurate comparison of all balls using the same setup...in my opinion....but then what the hell do I know.

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6 hours ago, Thin2win said:

Would I buy Chrome Soft based on this testing? Nope, but that said, they aren't bad balls... 

Also, I wouldn't stop buying them if they were the ball that i was just in love with. 

 

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Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :callaway-small:  Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

 

 

 

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Anyone see Callaways response yet?  https://callawaypresscenter.com/company-statement/

Aaaannnnnd nowhere in there did the refute the results. Not once. No data from their “extensive tests” to prove otherwise. Classic. They got BUSTED!


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Driver: :cobra-small: King F9 Speedback, Xphlexxx Busa 2 Liquid, XX stiff, 45”

Fwy:  :callaway-small: Super Hybrid 17*, Aldila RIP Alpha 105 S, tipped 1”

Hybrid: :callaway-small: X2 Hot Pro, 20*, Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 105X

Irons: :honma:TR20 Tour P 4-10, :Nippon: Modus 130 stiff, +1”

Wedges: Vega VW-06 50*/54*/58*, Dynamic Gold S400

Putter:  :edel-golf-1: EAS 1.0

All clubs have :Arccos:  In the Winn Dri-Tac 2.0 Oversize grips

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... Perhaps I missed this info. I tried reading the comments but still came up empty. How many shots with each ball were tested? Did they hit the Maxfli Tour X one time with the driver? 10 times? 20 times? 100 times? Same with 7 iron and wedge. How many times did MGS's robot hit each ball with each club. If the Tour X had a 657 shot area after 10 balls because 1 of them was more off line than others, that number may change with 20 balls and radically change with 100 balls. Of course it could be the same as 1 out of 10 balls produced off line results, but it would be very informative to know how many balls were hit. 

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Driver:   TaylorMade SIM2 Max 10.5* ... Tensei Raw Blue 60R
Fairway:  TaylorMade SIM2 Max 15* ... Tensei Raw Blue 65R
                 Cobra SZ 18.5* ... Even Flow 75R
Utility:   TaylorMade DHy 19* ... Diamana Limited 65R
              Taylor Made Sim Hybrid 22* ... Diamana Limited 75R
Irons:    4-Pw Cobra King Tour MIM ... Steelfiber 95R
Wedges:  Cobra Snakebite 50* ... Steelfiber 95R
                 Vokey SM8 58* ... Steelfiber 95R
Putter:  Cleveland Hunting Beach Soft 11S 33.5"
Ball:      TaylorMade TP5x (2021)

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11 minutes ago, chisag said:

... Perhaps I missed this info. I tried reading the comments but still came up empty. How many shots with each ball were tested? Did they hit the Maxfli Tour X one time with the driver? 10 times? 20 times? 100 times? Same with 7 iron and wedge. How many times did MGS's robot hit each ball with each club. If the Tour X had a 657 shot area after 10 balls because 1 of them was more off line than others, that number may change with 20 balls and radically change with 100 balls. Of course it could be the same as 1 out of 10 balls produced off line results, but it would be very informative to know how many balls were hit. 

Take a look at the standard deviation chart.  That will show you how consistent each ball was

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In my :mizuno-small: BR-D4 Stand Bag

:ping-small: G410 LST 9* VA Nemesys 65X
:ping-small: G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X
:titelist-small: 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X
:mizuno-small: MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X
:mizuno-small: JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-)
:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 50F - 54S - 59D
:EVNROLL: ER1v
:titelist-small: ProV1
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I think the "how many balls were hit per club per model" has been asked here and in the comments and I too haven't seen an answer and even listening to their YouTube chat afterwards didn't reveal the answer. Or I just missed it period too. 

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I see Chromesoft not fairing as well as people think, or hoped. I have noticed however that the softer balls performed better than a Prov1 etc in the colder conditions. I wonder does a higher compression ball fair worse in colder weather or does it just 'feel' worse as it feels harder when its 40*?

I'm using prov1's based on the MGS test, used one today in 44* temp, but I have a game tomorrow in 40* weather so will try a chromesoft and see how it feels and compares.

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Driver     Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs)  
4 Wood   Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+  :callaway-small: Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex

Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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10 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said:

I see Chromesoft not fairing as well as people think, or hoped. I have noticed however that the softer balls performed better than a Prov1 etc in the colder conditions. I wonder does a higher compression ball fair worse in colder weather or does it just 'feel' worse as it feels harder when its 40*?

I'm using prov1's based on the MGS test, used one today in 44* temp, but I have a game tomorrow in 40* weather so will try a chromesoft and see how it feels and compares.

 

... 40* isn't golf. That's one man field hockey. 🤣  

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Driver:   TaylorMade SIM2 Max 10.5* ... Tensei Raw Blue 60R
Fairway:  TaylorMade SIM2 Max 15* ... Tensei Raw Blue 65R
                 Cobra SZ 18.5* ... Even Flow 75R
Utility:   TaylorMade DHy 19* ... Diamana Limited 65R
              Taylor Made Sim Hybrid 22* ... Diamana Limited 75R
Irons:    4-Pw Cobra King Tour MIM ... Steelfiber 95R
Wedges:  Cobra Snakebite 50* ... Steelfiber 95R
                 Vokey SM8 58* ... Steelfiber 95R
Putter:  Cleveland Hunting Beach Soft 11S 33.5"
Ball:      TaylorMade TP5x (2021)

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23 minutes ago, WalterS said:

I think the "how many balls were hit per club per model" has been asked here and in the comments and I too haven't seen an answer and even listening to their YouTube chat afterwards didn't reveal the answer. Or I just missed it period too. 

... Pretty important info to leave out imo. I would have much less confidence in 10 balls than 100 balls. 1 bad ball in 10 is pretty bad but 1 bad ball in 100 is pretty good. 

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Driver:   TaylorMade SIM2 Max 10.5* ... Tensei Raw Blue 60R
Fairway:  TaylorMade SIM2 Max 15* ... Tensei Raw Blue 65R
                 Cobra SZ 18.5* ... Even Flow 75R
Utility:   TaylorMade DHy 19* ... Diamana Limited 65R
              Taylor Made Sim Hybrid 22* ... Diamana Limited 75R
Irons:    4-Pw Cobra King Tour MIM ... Steelfiber 95R
Wedges:  Cobra Snakebite 50* ... Steelfiber 95R
                 Vokey SM8 58* ... Steelfiber 95R
Putter:  Cleveland Hunting Beach Soft 11S 33.5"
Ball:      TaylorMade TP5x (2021)

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Another confusing statement in the original article under the FAQ, I only see 2 balls, the Qstar and the MTBX that are over 20 yds in the std dev chart(or any other chart). Am I missing something here?;

Looking at the charts again, I suppose if you take the avg offline and add it to the std dev offline then you'll get the over 20 yds.

Q:  What type of consistency issues did you observe during the test?

A: In high-speed driver testing, several balls produced shots more than 20 yards or more offline. Those balls were the Bridgestone Tour B RX and Tour B RXS, Callaway Chrome Soft and Chrome Soft X, Kirkland Signature 3-Piece, Maxfli Tour and Tour X, MG Tour C4, Mizuno RB and RB Tour X, Snell MTB-X, Srixon QStar Tour and ZStar XV, TaylorMade TP5X, Titleist AVX and Tour Soft (Ionomer), and Vice Pro Plus.

 

 

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1 hour ago, perseveringgolfer said:

I see Chromesoft not fairing as well as people think, or hoped. I have noticed however that the softer balls performed better than a Prov1 etc in the colder conditions. I wonder does a higher compression ball fair worse in colder weather or does it just 'feel' worse as it feels harder when its 40*?

I'm using prov1's based on the MGS test, used one today in 44* temp, but I have a game tomorrow in 40* weather so will try a chromesoft and see how it feels and compares.

The colder it gets the harder it is to compress a ball. Iirc around 65* starts the change 

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Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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Spent 3 hours with a fitter the other day. After we got done with the club recommendations, we talked about the balls that would suit my slower swing speed none of which were Callaway's.


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:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

Cobra King F-9  5 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*

Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts 

:titelist-small: SM7 54* Wedge

:ping-small: Glide 3.0  60* Wedge

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

:1590477705_SunMountain: And  BAG Boy

Golf Balls: Snell MTB-X 

2020 Official Tester :SuperSpeed: Beginning Driver Speed  - 78

2019 Official Tester :ping-small:  410 Driver

2018 Official Tester :wilson-small: C300

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Anyone see Callaways response yet?  https://callawaypresscenter.com/company-statement/

So I guess Callaway won't be providing products for MGS "Official Testing". My takeaway from the article = sour grapes.


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Left Hand orientation

:ping-small: G410 SFT driver 

Cobra King F-9  5 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*

Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts 

:titelist-small: SM7 54* Wedge

:ping-small: Glide 3.0  60* Wedge

:odyssey-small: O Works putter
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

:1590477705_SunMountain: And  BAG Boy

Golf Balls: Snell MTB-X 

2020 Official Tester :SuperSpeed: Beginning Driver Speed  - 78

2019 Official Tester :ping-small:  410 Driver

2018 Official Tester :wilson-small: C300

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