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Golf Ball Test Results...Pre-Reveal  

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  1. 1. Which brand do you think performs the best in MGS Golf Ball Test to be revealed Monday? (I have no idea what balls are being tested but this is my best bet)

    • Bridgestone (e6, e12, Tour B X, Tour B XS, Tour B RX)
      11
    • Callaway (Chrome Soft, Chrome Soft X, ERC Soft)
      1
    • Cut (Red, Green, Blue, Black, Brown, Mauve, Burgundy, Candy Apple, Cyan, Golden Rod)
      0
    • Maxfli (Tour, Tour x)
      0
    • Mizuno (RB Tour, RB Tour X)
      0
    • Snell (MTB Red, MTB Black, MTB X)
      11
    • Srixon (Q Star, Z Star, Z Star XV, LGBTQ Star)
      4
    • TaylorMade (TP5, TP5x, Project (a), Project (s))
      8
    • Titleist (Pro V1, Pro V1x, AVX, Tour Soft, Velocity, DT TruSoft)
      15
    • Vice (Drive, Pro, Pro Plus, Pro Soft)
      5
    • Volvik (I don't even know if they're in the test)
      0
    • Wilson (DUO Soft, DUO U, FG Tour)
      0
    • Other
      1

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5 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

Kirkland isn't the manufacturer of those balls.....I cant see how they would have great QC for those balls.

Since Costco is a big company with a lot of bargaining power, they might have enough power to demand better quality than some of the others that don't make their own balls. That's purely conjecture on my part, though.

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Tried the Srixon Z star and man that is a good ball.... just as good as the PV1 and PV1x that I've been playing.

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5 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said:

Since Costco is a big company with a lot of bargaining power, they might have enough power to demand better quality than some of the others that don't make their own balls. That's purely conjecture on my part, though.

if you look at the history of the "Kirkland" ball, you will see they purchased over runs of a 4 piece ball and put their name on it. Then they went to a 3 pc ball because they could not get their hands on any 4pc model. They bought up the over runs through a 3rd party vendor. Nobody knows what ball it really was....

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Just now, Tsecor said:

if you look at the history of the "Kirkland" ball, you will see they purchased over runs of a 4 piece ball and put their name on it. Then they went to a 3 pc ball because they could not get their hands on any 4pc model. They bought up the over runs through a 3rd party vendor. Nobody knows what ball it really was....

Yeah...and it seems like Costco has slim margins so they make their $ on volume which means the QC of things like golfballs probably isn't valued much.  I mean if they get them and they're discolored or something than they can kick them back but they probably have no clue what is on the inside of the ball - nor do they really care... as long as folks buy them.

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would love to see Tony cut into a TopFlite and see it have the same profile as a ball 2-3 times the price!

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15 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

would love to see Tony cut into a TopFlite and see it have the same profile as a ball 2-3 times the price!

wouldnt that be something😂


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My best guess on the Costco 3 Piece ball is that it was the same ball as the original Cut Blue. The 3 Piece K-Sig performed very similar to the Cut Blue on the TXG tests. It also appears that Costco stopped buying overruns and now has a steady supply of the 3 Piece. At the same time, the Cut Blue changed quite a bit and is no longer the same ball. The circumstantial evidence suggests to me Costco could guarantee a purchase of enough balls that the factory making that ball might only now be supplying them.


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21 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

Yeah...and it seems like Costco has slim margins so they make their $ on volume which means the QC of things like golfballs probably isn't valued much.  I mean if they get them and they're discolored or something than they can kick them back but they probably have no clue what is on the inside of the ball - nor do they really care... as long as folks buy them.

 

... Costco makes the bulk of their money off memberships. The Kirkland brand is extremely important to their success and I can't imagine them just buying over stock balls without knowing anything about their QC. I think Costco knows exactly what is inside and how the Kirkland balls are made. They genuinely care about quality and they care about their customers, something very rare in todays corporate world. Like I said it will be interesting to hear how they test for QC when Tony cuts them open. 

... That said, Tsecor is right, we don't really know what ball it really is. And repeating myself, I played with a Mini Tour winner in Orlando that loved the Kirkland 4 piece but after testing a dozen found inconsistencies in 2 of the 12 so they certainly are not a top tier ball like Titleist, Bridgestone and Srixon. 

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50 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

would love to see Tony cut into a TopFlite and see it have the same profile as a ball 2-3 times the price!

😂🤣, That'd be great, but I think they'll only find the captured bone fragments of golfers who purchased RockFlites. 

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4 minutes ago, GB13 said:

😂🤣, That'd be great, but I think they'll only find the captured bone fragments of golfers who purchased RockFlites. 

Can get a 15 pack of D2 for 9.99.... I'm just sayin.  😉

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34 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Costco makes the bulk of their money off memberships. The Kirkland brand is extremely important to their success and I can't imagine them just buying over stock balls without knowing anything about their QC. I think Costco knows exactly what is inside and how the Kirkland balls are made. They genuinely care about quality and they care about their customers, something very rare in todays corporate world. Like I said it will be interesting to hear how they test for QC when Tony cuts them open. 

... That said, Tsecor is right, we don't really know what ball it really is. And repeating myself, I played with a Mini Tour winner in Orlando that loved the Kirkland 4 piece but after testing a dozen found inconsistencies in 2 of the 12 so they certainly are not a top tier ball like Titleist, Bridgestone and Srixon. 

obviously Kirkland hit a home run with the 4pc they had. Its a strange story because they purchased through a 3rd party and not directly. Soon after Titleist sued them for Patent infringement. it was eventually settled, so its odd they had a 4pc offering ONCE and never again.....some speculate the ball was actually the QUATTRO sold in Ireland......we may never know.  BUT, Kirkland sells a 3pc ball which underperforms most other 3pc balls, mainly because of the success they had with the over run ball they put their name on.  Not sure this is a sustainable model for the Kirkland brand which has always been great in other areas of the business.

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3 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

obviously Kirkland hit a home run with the 4pc they had. Its a strange story because they purchased through a 3rd party and not directly. Soon after Titleist sued them for Patent infringement. it was eventually settled, so its odd they had a 4pc offering ONCE and never again.....some speculate the ball was actually the QUATTRO sold in Ireland......we may never know.  BUT, Kirkland sells a 3pc ball which underperforms most other 3pc balls, mainly because of the success they had with the over run ball they put their name on.  Not sure this is a sustainable model for the Kirkland brand which has always been great in other areas of the business.

The 3pc ball under performs most other 3pc tour balls, but not by much, and it costs $12 a dozen. It way out performs almost all other balls at it's price point. It's going to be better than a Wilson Duo or Callaway Supersoft. It's going to be better than the ERC Soft at 1/3 the price. I'd argue other than feel, it's a better performer than the Wilson Duo Pro or Q-Star Tour. It even undercuts most of the other direct to consumer balls which are going to be similar in performance. I'd argue that you should either play a full on tour ball or you should be playing the Kirkland, there's basically no in between any more.

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17 minutes ago, arbeck said:

The 3pc ball under performs most other 3pc tour balls, but not by much, and it costs $12 a dozen. It way out performs almost all other balls at it's price point. It's going to be better than a Wilson Duo or Callaway Supersoft. It's going to be better than the ERC Soft at 1/3 the price. I'd argue other than feel, it's a better performer than the Wilson Duo Pro or Q-Star Tour. It even undercuts most of the other direct to consumer balls which are going to be similar in performance. I'd argue that you should either play a full on tour ball or you should be playing the Kirkland, there's basically no in between any more.

fair points all around. I think the Q-star is much better though, but you make good points.....and at $12/dzn.....hard to argue

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9 hours ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

Tried the Srixon Z star and man that is a good ball.... just as good as the PV1 and PV1x that I've been playing.

I’ve switched from the XV to the std Z Star this season.  Distance is nearly identical with all clubs, much straighter with my driver, and better approach control...for me.  It really is a great all around ball.


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I played my whole round today with the Bridgestone Tour BX and LOVED IT! Distance off the tee, great spin and feel around the greens, and I really liked the feel. It’s a tough choice between these and the Pro V1X I played last week!


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Please forgive me if this has already been answered in the 900+ previous replies (if it has, just say so and I'll go look for it).

I am testing the Z-Star and XV as an official reviewer right now.  While I'm no robot, my results have been spot on for every thing except one:  driver carry distance.  Every other metric matches up for me as a high swing speed player with the MGS test (e.g., wedge spin, carry for 7iron, ball speed with driver, etc.).

It would seem to me that the XV should produce the farthest driver carry distances (as it did in my test on GC2).  It launches the highest, has the least amount of spin, and the highest ball speed and compression.  That is all a formula for greater carry distance is it not?  In my test, the XV went the farthest, followed by the Z-Star, and lastly the Kirkland 3-piece (again, spin, launch, speed should = these results, unless I'm totally off base).  

However, the official MGS ball test had the Kirkland carrying farthest of these balls, followed by the Q-star (lowest compression of the 4 balls discussed here), then the XV and Z-star......... what gives???  Was the XV that inconsistent with distance?  It was tighter in carry std dev than the Kirkland and Q-Star tour.  If soft=slow, then why is the Q-Star tour out carrying a ball that is 30 compression points higher with a robot???

I'm baffled (could be that it is after midnight.....).  In other news, I'm impressed with some of my own std deviations when compared to a robot.  As the new direction MGS is going with the wild inconsistencies in ball tolerances, if a robot can't hit a ball consistently online or the same distance, we got no shot! LOL

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It launches the highest, has the least amount of spin, and the highest ball speed and compression.  That is all a formula for greater carry distance is it not? 


Maybe you launch too high with too little spin. Don’t know what to tell you that everyone is different and you have to buy the balls to see how they work for your swing.

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22 hours ago, chisag said:

... Some of us have been saying this for quite awhile now. Don't play used balls or water balls or cheap balls or DTC balls because you have no idea what kind of quality they really are. Personally, I do not trust any of the DTC balls with the exception of Snell. Dean has put in the research and with his name on his ball I can't imagine he would cut any corners. It will be interesting to hear what kind of quality Kirkland Signature balls produce as Costco usually researches/tests a product before putting the Kirkland name on it. 

... So much of the original ball test, according to Tony and his Titleist visit, bears out why some of the balls in the test performed poorly as far as dispersion or consistency. The simply have very poor quality control. An off center core will effect the ball dramatically and of course if you have 10 balls out of 12 with good QC but 2 balls out of round or suffering some other QC issue, that could be the shot you hit OB that derails your round. A bad swing produces a bad shot but the good news is maybe not as bad as it could end up being if you are playing a quality ball. So the bottom line for even high index players that think the ball won't make any difference for their game, need to rethink their position because some of their bad shots can absolutely be the ball they are playing. Why take that chance? You can always find deals on last years balls from those with the highest QC and stock up. I think the scariest thing I heard, which I had no idea before this podcast, is some of the cheaper balls when cut open had completely different materials and cores within one dozen!?!? Some 2 piece, some 3 or even 4 piece balls, all with different materials meaning the performance will be radically different for every ball. Poor quality yes, but I would have never guessed they are completely different balls in a one dozen box. 

... Lastly Tony says Titleist, Srixon and Bridgestone are to be trusted for their QC. I have been playing Z Stars and TP5x and hate to think TaylorMade is cutting corners with their QC. When you look at the men and women on tour it is easy to see Titleist, TaylorMade, Srixon and Bridgestone are the balls the pros trust. Callaway has a tour presence but we know the Pro's play a different ball than the retail version. The new Maxfli's tested well so I imagine they are included in balls you can trust. You see a few Volvik's especially on the LPGA, but Bubba playing so poorly with Volvik's and cancelling his contract is a red flag for me. I am eagerly anticipating Tony cutting balls open to test their QC in his future ball series. 

TaylorMade may not cut corners but they don’t own the whole process.

19 hours ago, Tsecor said:

Kirkland isn't the manufacturer of those balls.....I cant see how they would have great QC for those balls.

...and the only ball that is the same on tour as it is on the shelf is the Bridgestone, correct?

 

I’m not sure anyone said all Bridgestone tour balls are the same as retail but that tiger’s ball is the same as retail. Also not every pro is playing a special ball or unique to just them. 


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19 hours ago, Tsecor said:

nice. I should try them because they are priced right, that's for sure

They were at our Club the other day promoting their ball - buy one doz get one doz free. 

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6 hours ago, ChasingScratch said:

 

I'm baffled (could be that it is after midnight.....).  

Everyone's swing is different and the way the club interacts with the ball will yield different results from different people.  Ball characteristics are not the only factor that affect the ball distance, spin, or flight.  In addition to your individual swing, each club has inherent characteristics affecting the ball.

What works for you may not work as well for me.


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