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  1. 1. Which brand do you think performs the best in MGS Golf Ball Test to be revealed Monday? (I have no idea what balls are being tested but this is my best bet)

    • Bridgestone (e6, e12, Tour B X, Tour B XS, Tour B RX)
      11
    • Callaway (Chrome Soft, Chrome Soft X, ERC Soft)
      1
    • Cut (Red, Green, Blue, Black, Brown, Mauve, Burgundy, Candy Apple, Cyan, Golden Rod)
      0
    • Maxfli (Tour, Tour x)
      0
    • Mizuno (RB Tour, RB Tour X)
      0
    • Snell (MTB Red, MTB Black, MTB X)
      11
    • Srixon (Q Star, Z Star, Z Star XV, LGBTQ Star)
      4
    • TaylorMade (TP5, TP5x, Project (a), Project (s))
      8
    • Titleist (Pro V1, Pro V1x, AVX, Tour Soft, Velocity, DT TruSoft)
      15
    • Vice (Drive, Pro, Pro Plus, Pro Soft)
      5
    • Volvik (I don't even know if they're in the test)
      0
    • Wilson (DUO Soft, DUO U, FG Tour)
      0
    • Other
      1

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39 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

TaylorMade may not cut corners but they don’t own the whole process.

I’m not sure anyone said all Bridgestone tour balls are the same as retail but that tiger’s ball is the same as retail. Also not every pro is playing a special ball or unique to just them. 

i should have specified the BX and BXS......is it just the BXS? That would be kind of strange.....

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I did see this post from TM from a year ago....

 

Re: TP5x ball retail vs tour

‎05-21-2018 10:12 AM

"All of our TP5/TP5x golf balls come out of our ball plant in South Carolina which is where our consumer TP5/TP5x golf balls come from as well. The Tour balls come from the same line that produces the consumer balls, they just go through more rigorous testing to ensure they are 100% compliant with Tour equipment standards (99.9% of them are). From there we place the athlete's preference of number and alignment aid. 

Pulling tour balls from production is actually more of a rarity in the industry and some competitors have a specific production line for their tour product."

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1 hour ago, Tsecor said:

i should have specified the BX and BXS......is it just the BXS? That would be kind of strange.....

Cheyenne Woods uses the RX and the rest of their staff use either BX or BXs.  Srixon I think is the only brand that has said their retail balls are the same as what their tour players use. The rest of the brands don’t state what version of ball their tour staff uses one would have to catch a glimpse of the marking on tv. Titleist won’t confirm if a player is using the current year or a previous year. Stacy Lewis left titleist In 2015 when they told her they were going to stop making the 2009 model.

its great marketing for Bridgestone to confirm tiger uses the same ball that consumers can buy.

1 hour ago, Tsecor said:

I did see this post from TM from a year ago....

 

Re: TP5x ball retail vs tour

‎05-21-2018 10:12 AM

"All of our TP5/TP5x golf balls come out of our ball plant in South Carolina which is where our consumer TP5/TP5x golf balls come from as well. The Tour balls come from the same line that produces the consumer balls, they just go through more rigorous testing to ensure they are 100% compliant with Tour equipment standards (99.9% of them are). From there we place the athlete's preference of number and alignment aid. 

Pulling tour balls from production is actually more of a rarity in the industry and some competitors have a specific production line for their tour product."

Content/Social Media Manager at TaylorMade Golf

Unlike Bridgestone, Srixon and Titleist this is the only part of the process that TM owns

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Maybe you launch too high with too little spin. Don’t know what to tell you that everyone is different and you have to buy the balls to see how they work for your swing.

If you want to verify what you are seeing and try to optimize you can use a site like this: https://flightscope.com/products/trajectory-optimizer/


I hit the XV the farthest driver carry distance of the three balls. Average ball speed was 168, launch was 12.3*, and average spin was 1845.

I launched the Kirkland lower and had more spin, so it didn’t surprise me that it went shorter on driver carry than the XV, that’s what I would expect would happen.

What I can’t figure is how the Kirkland carried farther with the robot than the XV, when the ball speed and launch were lower (with the robot as well). Spin was also higher with the robot.

I get that everyone is different, thus the need to try different products. It just is so strange to me to match up on pretty much every category but driver carry distance, even if I missed the center of the club a bit.


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I hit the XV the farthest driver carry distance of the three balls. Average ball speed was 168, launch was 12.3*, and average spin was 1845.

I launched the Kirkland lower and had more spin, so it didn’t surprise me that it went shorter on driver carry than the XV, that’s what I would expect would happen.

What I can’t figure is how the Kirkland carried farther with the robot than the XV, when the ball speed and launch were lower (with the robot as well). Spin was also higher with the robot.

I get that everyone is different, thus the need to try different products. It just is so strange to me to match up on pretty much every category but driver carry distance, even if I missed the center of the club a bit.


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Don't obsess over distance differences that are only a couple of yards. This was outside and even if it was a mostly still day, wind and atmospheric effects can still have some differences. The XV launched at a steeper angle with more speed, which generally means it is going to peak higher, where any wind might effect it more. Those two balls are so close to each other off the driver though that you shouldn't even be considering using driver numbers to pick them.

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If you want to verify what you are seeing and try to optimize you can use a site like this: https://flightscope.com/products/trajectory-optimizer/

 

I just got through inputting the MGS Golf Ball test averages into the flight scope trajectory program.  The program, using these figures, supports my theory and my test results on GC2.  It also aligns with the 'soft = slow' logic, as the Q-Star is the lowest compression of the 4 balls.  Here is what the program has the average carry as being for each ball (based upon the MGS averages data):

 

Q-Star Tour: 278.9yds

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Kirkland: 279.9yds

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Z-Star: 281.4yds

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XV: 285.6yds

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While the figures do not match what I got on GC2 for my own data or what MGS has, the point I'm making is that higher launch, lower spin, faster ball speed seems to equal longer carry at higher swing speeds, so I just don't know how the Q-Star Tour and Kirkland carried farther than XV in the MGS robot test.

I'll drop it now and go sit in my closet with my tin foil cap! LOL

 

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10 minutes ago, arbeck said:

Don't obsess over distance differences that are only a couple of yards. This was outside and even if it was a mostly still day, wind and atmospheric effects can still have some differences. The XV launched at a steeper angle with more speed, which generally means it is going to peak higher, where any wind might effect it more. Those two balls are so close to each other off the driver though that you shouldn't even be considering using driver numbers to pick them.

I hear you and agree to a point, but the scientist within me just can't settle it in my logical mind! LOL

Thanks for your input.  It goes a long way in my book when members take the time to respond to each other.

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49 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Cheyenne Woods uses the RX and the rest of their staff use either BX or BXs.  Srixon I think is the only brand that has said their retail balls are the same as what their tour players use. The rest of the brands don’t state what version of ball their tour staff uses one would have to catch a glimpse of the marking on tv. Titleist won’t confirm if a player is using the current year or a previous year. Stacy Lewis left titleist In 2015 when they told her they were going to stop making the 2009 model.

its great marketing for Bridgestone to confirm tiger uses the same ball that consumers can buy.

Unlike Bridgestone, Srixon and Titleist this is the only part of the process that TM owns

TM built a nice plant so I'm shocked they do not own more of the process...or want to.  Importing 2/3rds of the parts without oversight is not a great practice.

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9 hours ago, ChasingScratch said:

Please forgive me if this has already been answered in the 900+ previous replies (if it has, just say so and I'll go look for it).

I am testing the Z-Star and XV as an official reviewer right now.  While I'm no robot, my results have been spot on for every thing except one:  driver carry distance.  Every other metric matches up for me as a high swing speed player with the MGS test (e.g., wedge spin, carry for 7iron, ball speed with driver, etc.).

It would seem to me that the XV should produce the farthest driver carry distances (as it did in my test on GC2).  It launches the highest, has the least amount of spin, and the highest ball speed and compression.  That is all a formula for greater carry distance is it not?  In my test, the XV went the farthest, followed by the Z-Star, and lastly the Kirkland 3-piece (again, spin, launch, speed should = these results, unless I'm totally off base).  

However, the official MGS ball test had the Kirkland carrying farthest of these balls, followed by the Q-star (lowest compression of the 4 balls discussed here), then the XV and Z-star......... what gives???  Was the XV that inconsistent with distance?  It was tighter in carry std dev than the Kirkland and Q-Star tour.  If soft=slow, then why is the Q-Star tour out carrying a ball that is 30 compression points higher with a robot???

I'm baffled (could be that it is after midnight.....).  In other news, I'm impressed with some of my own std deviations when compared to a robot.  As the new direction MGS is going with the wild inconsistencies in ball tolerances, if a robot can't hit a ball consistently online or the same distance, we got no shot! LOL

what is your swing speed? The testing all plays out, the slower the swing, the closer the balls are in performance...including the soft slow balls....

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1 minute ago, Tsecor said:

TM built a nice plant so I'm shocked they do not own more of the process...or want to.  Importing 2/3rds of the parts without oversight is not a great practice.

Building or buying plants to own the entire process is pretty expensive and might only improve 1 out of 100 balls in the worst case scenario (they seem to imply it's more like 1 out of 1000). A regular golfer is never going to notice if that few balls are out of spec.

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14 minutes ago, ChasingScratch said:

I just got through inputting the MGS Golf Ball test averages into the flight scope trajectory program.  The program, using these figures, supports my theory and my test results on GC2.  It also aligns with the 'soft = slow' logic, as the Q-Star is the lowest compression of the 4 balls.  Here is what the program has the average carry as being for each ball (based upon the MGS averages data):

 

Q-Star Tour: 275.4yds

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Kirkland: 275.6yds

 

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Z-Star: 277.7yds

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XV: 281.7yds

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While the figures do not match what I got on GC2 for my own data or what MGS has, the point I'm making is that higher launch, lower spin, faster ball speed seems to equal longer carry at higher swing speeds, so I just don't know how the Q-Star Tour and Kirkland carried farther than XV.

I'll drop it now and go sit in my closet with my tin foil cap! LOL

Careful when you enter the altitude. The altitude is your elevation above sea level, not peak height. The program will calculate the peak height for you.

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9 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

what is your swing speed? The testing all plays out, the slower the swing, the closer the balls are in performance...including the soft slow balls....

Whenever I'm on GC2 with HMT or GCQ, I can be from 110-115mph with driver.

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Irons:  :srixon-small: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts

Wedges:  Vokey SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D

Putter:  :ping-small: Sigma 2 Tyne 4, 32.5", 1* loft

Ball:  :srixon-small: Z-Star XV

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10 minutes ago, DJLookalike said:

Careful when you enter the altitude. The altitude is your elevation above sea level, not peak height. The program will calculate the peak height for you.

Ahhhhh, let me refigure those then.

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Woods: :taylormade-small: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood

Irons:  :srixon-small: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts

Wedges:  Vokey SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D

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Just now, ChasingScratch said:

Ahhhhh, let me refigure those then.

At that low of altitude you have entered, shouldn't really change anything. I usually enter 1000 in there as a standard.

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2 minutes ago, DJLookalike said:

At that low of altitude you have entered, shouldn't really change anything. I usually enter 1000 in there as a standard.

I just set all to 0 and it changed just a few decimal points.  I'll try 1,000.

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Woods: :taylormade-small: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood

Irons:  :srixon-small: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts

Wedges:  Vokey SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D

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13 minutes ago, ChasingScratch said:

Whenever I'm on GC2 with HMT or GCQ, I can be from 110-115mph with driver.

well, obviously you hit the ball very well, but you are not a robot :)   some of the data is off significantly when it comes to "golf data sets" but in real world scenarios on the course, it means almost nothing. Possibly 1 club difference, but  more like a 1/2 club

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At that low of altitude you have entered, shouldn't really change anything. I usually enter 1000 in there as a standard.


1000 as standard???? Sea level should be standard, the city I live in is 14.76 feet. I think we need to start qualifying distance numbers with sea level qualification.
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27 minutes ago, arbeck said:

Building or buying plants to own the entire process is pretty expensive and might only improve 1 out of 100 balls in the worst case scenario (they seem to imply it's more like 1 out of 1000). A regular golfer is never going to notice if that few balls are out of spec.

i think MGS is actually proving this is be very inaccurate. That's the whole point of the ball testing they are doing.  That mindset may turn out to be old school thinking.

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1 minute ago, Tsecor said:

well, obviously you hit the ball very well, but you are not a robot 🙂 some of the data is off significantly when it comes to "golf data sets" but in real world scenarios on the course, it means almost nothing. Possibly 1 club difference, but  more like a 1/2 club

Word!!  I struggle hitting driver in a simulator, but on the course I hit it pretty consistent.  What I've found, and what I've had my fitter tell me, is that launch monitors over exaggerate hook spin.  So when you're hitting driver on a launch monitor, it looks like you're hooking off the planet, but when you take it outside, it doesn't look near as bad.  I was fit once on a Trackman (indoors) and was hitting 30yd hooks.  We went outside, baby draws that fell left.  Crazy.

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Woods: :taylormade-small: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood

Irons:  :srixon-small: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts

Wedges:  Vokey SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D

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Ball:  :srixon-small: Z-Star XV

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1000 as standard???? Sea level should be standard, the city I live in is 14.76 feet. I think we need to start qualifying distance numbers with sea level qualification. emoji12.png

 

I used both 0 and 1,000 to compare.  At 1,000 yes the numbers jump up a few yards, but the pattern is consistent regardless, Q-star = shortest, followed by Kirkland, then Z-Star, finally XV is the longest (which is what I would expect).

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Driver: :ping-small: G400 LST 8.5* with HZRDUS SMOKE 6.5 70g 

Woods: :taylormade-small: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood

Irons:  :srixon-small: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts

Wedges:  Vokey SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D

Putter:  :ping-small: Sigma 2 Tyne 4, 32.5", 1* loft

Ball:  :srixon-small: Z-Star XV

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