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Golf Ball Test Results...Pre-Reveal  

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  1. 1. Which brand do you think performs the best in MGS Golf Ball Test to be revealed Monday? (I have no idea what balls are being tested but this is my best bet)

    • Bridgestone (e6, e12, Tour B X, Tour B XS, Tour B RX)
      11
    • Callaway (Chrome Soft, Chrome Soft X, ERC Soft)
      1
    • Cut (Red, Green, Blue, Black, Brown, Mauve, Burgundy, Candy Apple, Cyan, Golden Rod)
      0
    • Maxfli (Tour, Tour x)
      0
    • Mizuno (RB Tour, RB Tour X)
      0
    • Snell (MTB Red, MTB Black, MTB X)
      11
    • Srixon (Q Star, Z Star, Z Star XV, LGBTQ Star)
      4
    • TaylorMade (TP5, TP5x, Project (a), Project (s))
      8
    • Titleist (Pro V1, Pro V1x, AVX, Tour Soft, Velocity, DT TruSoft)
      15
    • Vice (Drive, Pro, Pro Plus, Pro Soft)
      5
    • Volvik (I don't even know if they're in the test)
      0
    • Wilson (DUO Soft, DUO U, FG Tour)
      0
    • Other
      1

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5 minutes ago, chisag said:

... I really, really wish people would stop lumping Snell in with Vice, Cut, etc. Dean deserves more respect than companies that buy ball rom a catalog. 

You are correct about him deserving respect, but he gets lumped in because of the DTC model. It's just part of it. And not that I question what Dean Snell is doing, but I've never thought to ask where are his golf balls manufactured? Just curious is all.

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1 hour ago, TR1PTIK said:

I do agree with this point and it is the one reason why I stipulated there could still be a reasonable explanation. I've spent the last decade of my life in manufacturing and although the products we make have to adhere to very high levels of quality (for use in space, defense, & medical), there are still mishaps. It's just part of it unfortunately.

On the flip side, FGM doesn't appear to make any 4 or 5-pc golf balls according to their website.... 🤔

They may make 4pc balls that are exclusive to a single brand. The Maxfli balls are both 3 and 4 piece balls, and do have at least one patent on them. FGM probably makes them but doesn't let anyone else buy those balls for their own brand. But you might accidentally get one in your order.

I also think that they make the cores for Taylor Made. Taylor Made imports the cores (and it's possible other brands are doing this too). Those cores could easily end up inside a different cover at the FGM factory. 

I have a feeling FGM can probably make a ball for someone like Snell who is even designing it on their own. And if so, those cores and balls are going to be mixed in with the others and mistakes will happen.

I don't think anyone is being nefarious. But the smaller brands simply can't do the kind of QC that would be required to catch all of these mistakes and FGM really doesn't have any motivation to do so.

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7 minutes ago, arbeck said:

They may make 4pc balls that are exclusive to a single brand. The Maxfli balls are both 3 and 4 piece balls, and do have at least one patent on them. FGM probably makes them but doesn't let anyone else buy those balls for their own brand. But you might accidentally get one in your order.

I also think that they make the cores for Taylor Made. Taylor Made imports the cores (and it's possible other brands are doing this too). Those cores could easily end up inside a different cover at the FGM factory. 

I have a feeling FGM can probably make a ball for someone like Snell who is even designing it on their own. And if so, those cores and balls are going to be mixed in with the others and mistakes will happen.

I don't think anyone is being nefarious. But the smaller brands simply can't do the kind of QC that would be required to catch all of these mistakes and FGM really doesn't have any motivation to do so.

All fair points that fall into the realm of possible. It would really take some digging to discover the full truth, but it's clear there is a lot of information manufacturers don't want us to know.

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19 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

You are correct about him deserving respect, but he gets lumped in because of the DTC model. It's just part of it. And not that I question what Dean Snell is doing, but I've never thought to ask where are his golf balls manufactured? Just curious is all.

It says on the box, but off the top of my head I can't remember...it's either Taiwan or Korea.

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It says on the box, but off the top of my head I can't remember...it's either Taiwan or Korea.


Korea


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On 7/11/2019 at 12:39 PM, chisag said:

... I really, really wish people would stop lumping Snell in with Vice, Cut, etc. Dean deserves more respect than companies that buy balls from a catalog. 

Why?  Do you know him personally?  How do you know he didn't decide to capitalize on his name and just pump out some crap and make 200% profit.

 

I know people love the brands they love but really?  Unless you are related to or work for Snell you have no idea what they are doing and what they are about.  It fascinates me the hats people wear on the course with the logos like they are being paid.  The apple stickers on car bumpers.  If you aren't getting paid by them then why the heck advertise their products on your stuff or person?  So passionate about a product you have no hand in.  So freaking weird the ties people have to products.

 

As people have posted above, QC costs money and just like any other product for sale, you get what you pay for.  There are no work arounds.  What is different here is you can't just split the thing open and make sure you have a good product like you can see the seams of a finely made shirt or the wood grain on a crafted table.  Ball quality is hidden and you have to believe you are getting something good because the chances the slice into the water is you and not the balls fault.  I'd like to believe Snell is an honorable person and wouldn't try to just make a buck with scam pushing his creds but $29 per dozen.  Sorry is isn't a quality product as much as we'd like to believe he got around the manufacturing cost system somehow.  

You want a good ball for your game you are going to have to pay for it. Plain and simple.

Mark Crossfield's tweet quoted in the video is spot on.

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On 7/11/2019 at 7:21 AM, sixcat said:

I'm in a business where people see dollar signs every time our project signs go up.  You're not explaining anything to me I haven't been through over a 25 year career.  Been deposed so often, the local attorney's are on a first name basis with my office and are my frequent playing partners on the golf course afterward.

This specific litigation may be yesterday's news but companies are still selling the same exact balls from this litigation today.  By definition, that makes this situation very relevant today!  As @RickyBobby_PRsaid, hold on tight because some bigger name companies are also selling this same ball.  Does the ball on the right below look familiar?  "Foremost" anyone!?!?!

 

Why are we holding on tight?  Really?  Because they want to string out a story to get clicks or because they want to get clicks knowing its a total let down but get what you can get while you can.  Its like clicking on a political media story.  "BREAKING NEWS....after commercial break..."

Nonsense.....  If something comes out about Titleist, Callaway, Taylormade, Brigestone, I'll concede the staff at MGS uncovered a story.  Until then you get what you pay for and shouldn't disappointed when you get a crap ball for $20-$30 a dozen.

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44 minutes ago, pilot25 said:

Why are we holding on tight?  Really?  Because they want to string out a story to get clicks or because they want to get clicks knowing its a total let down but get what you can get while you can.  Its like clicking on a political media story.  "BREAKING NEWS....after commercial break..."

Nonsense.....  If something comes out about Titleist, Callaway, Taylormade, Brigestone, I'll concede the staff at MGS uncovered a story.  Until then you get what you pay for and shouldn't disappointed when you get a crap ball for $20-$30 a dozen.

Considering that titleist and Bridgestone own the entire process doubt that you will see anything earth shattering from them. TM and Callaway don’t own the entire process and outside of the top level balls Callaway balls are produced overseas.

Obviously you don’t care for the information that mgs recently put out and for one its old news but mgs doesn’t just cater to those who read the forum but their millions of readers of which some don’t know the info they put out. They are also in the business like any other website to draw views and giving away all the marbles at once isn’t good business. 

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22 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

They are also in the business like any other website to draw views and giving away all the marbles at once isn’t good business. 

I agree they aren't doing charity work.  However, I don't think earth shattering news is coming.  I guess that is independent on the person reading the story.  If people think they can get a $4 ball for $2 then I guess the news will be worthy.

 

Little web analytics research show MGS organic traffic of 150k per month.  That isn't exactly millions of readers.

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... I really, really wish people would stop lumping Snell in with Vice, Cut, etc. Dean deserves more respect than companies that buy balls from a catalog. 


I’m a Snell MTB-X tester for the forum and the ball performs very very well for me. That being said upon close inspection after receiving them at minimum 2 out of the 12 I got for testing would be X outs for other brands. If I had a better camera I could make a strong argument that 10 out of 12 would be X outs. I have yet to put the 2 really bad ones in play but I will at some point just to see if the visible blemishes impact performance at all.


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32 minutes ago, Wedgie said:

 


I’m a Snell MTB-X tester for the forum and the ball performs very very well for me. That being said upon close inspection after receiving them at minimum 2 out of the 12 I got for testing would be X outs for other brands. If I had a better camera I could make a strong argument that 10 out of 12 would be X outs. I have yet to put the 2 really bad ones in play but I will at some point just to see if the visible blemishes impact performance at all.


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Do you get to cut them open?  I'd like to see an independent person (not the staff of any site or company) cut open 12 of them and see what they look like.  Its not everyday the average person will throw their money away to cut open brand new balls for the benefit of others.

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Do you get to cut them open?  I'd like to see an independent person (not the staff of any site or company) cut open 12 of them and see what they look like.  Its not everyday the average person will throw their money away to cut open brand new balls for the benefit of others.


I don’t have 12 left but I’ll cut at least a couple open for my final review of the product.


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2 hours ago, pilot25 said:

I agree they aren't doing charity work.  However, I don't think earth shattering news is coming.  I guess that is independent on the person reading the story.  If people think they can get a $4 ball for $2 then I guess the news will be worthy.

 

Little web analytics research show MGS organic traffic of 150k per month.  That isn't exactly millions of readers.

Your analytics are off by about 600k/month.

i don’t think anyone is expecting to get a $4 for $2 but they would want to know if the exact ball the are paying $25 for can be had for $10 with a different logo on it. Or as followers and staff dive deeper into the finditcutit and start showing inconsistencies within the same dozen and that some of the issues they may see on the course aren’t necessarily user error but rather the ball quality. Golfers armed with more info may start to question their ball purchases and look into playing balls from a company that controls more of the process and has better quality.

like you said it’s going to vary by reader but I do think there will be one eye opening information provided. 

MGS also posted on social media they had reached 8 million unique hits on their site.

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Your analytics are off by about 600k/month.

Organic traffic is 150k per month.  You can look it up.

Unique hits aren't a reliable source of traffic due to the increase in VPN use.

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Why are we holding on tight?  Really?  Because they want to string out a story to get clicks or because they want to get clicks knowing its a total let down but get what you can get while you can.  Its like clicking on a political media story.  "BREAKING NEWS....after commercial break..."
Nonsense.....  If something comes out about Titleist, Callaway, Taylormade, Brigestone, I'll concede the staff at MGS uncovered a story.  Until then you get what you pay for and shouldn't disappointed when you get a crap ball for $20-$30 a dozen.

The larger question for me is why are you holding on so tight? You seem somehow invested in this argument. Are you one of the guys who started Vice? A relative? Or just a keyboard warrior trying to prove he’s “right?”

You just seem oddly passionate about something so mundane! Play whatever ball floats your boat. I couldn’t care less!


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8 hours ago, sixcat said:

The larger question for me is why are you holding on so tight? You seem somehow invested in this argument. Are you one of the guys who started Vice? A relative? Or just a keyboard warrior trying to prove he’s “right?”

You just seem oddly passionate about something so mundane! Play whatever ball floats your boat. I couldn’t care less!

 

... Pilot25 does the same confrontational thing about balls on wrx and started a thread about DTC balls on THP. Folks are much friendlier here so I just put him on ignore. He is the first and hopefully the last.

... Otherwise, pretty simple stuff really. Snell has a pedigree and has put in the work, the other guys just order from a catalog. I don't play Snell balls but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate and respect someone that actually designs his own balls and has put in years of R&D. As you said, play whatever ball you want, none of us here care what anyone plays. Nothing wrong with playing Vice or Cut because they are just a catalog ordered ball, which is not a comment on their quality or how they perform. 

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9 hours ago, pilot25 said:

Organic traffic is 150k per month.  You can look it up.

Unique hits aren't a reliable source of traffic due to the increase in VPN use.

I’m just going by what mgs has on their home page. Not sure what your grudge is against mgs it their testing but I’ll be bowing out of any further discussion because it’s obvuously going nowhere 

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  ... He does the same confrontational thing about balls on wrx and started a thread about DTC balls on THP. Folks are much friendlier here so I just ignore him. Otherwise, pretty simple stuff really. Snell has a pedigree and has put in the work, the other guys just order from a catalog. I don't play Snell balls but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate and respect someone that actually designs his own balls and has put in years of R&D. As you said, play whatever ball you want, none of us here care what anyone plays. Nothing wrong with playing Vice or Cut because they are just a catalog ordered ball, which is not a comment on their quality or how they perform. 

 

Haven’t been on WRX for a while given this stuff is the norm. I left THP years ago when a MOD took something from a PM between myself and another member and posted it on the public forum.

 

I have been playing Snell since May 1st. Honestly, very good golf ball but has some inconsistencies that are giving me a little pause at the moment. Mostly with flight and trajectory with short irons and wedges. I can’t offer a specific example other than the flight is just inconsistent.

 

With the driver, the trajectory of one shot may be a dozen or more feet higher than the next driver. Like I said, inconsistent. Haven’t seen anything majorly offline like the MGS testing would suggest.

 

 

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... Going to the PGA Show every year and demoing everything as well as interviewing many OEM's, I am always curious about new products. So I ordered Vice, Kirkland and Cut balls. No problem with Kirkland or Vice but the Cut balls were atrocious for QC and I posted pictures here in another thread. Also ordered and played Snell Blacks and liked them. But the TP5x is such a good ball for me that I don't play anything else with the exception of the Z Star, which I find very close in performance and ordered 4 dozen when they had their buy one get one free deal. 

... Again, I have no problem with people playing whatever ball they want for whatever reason they choose (other than used balls that may have spent time in water) as do the vast majority of posters here. Information is always welcome while arguing about what others should play is really other forums problems. 

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