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Golf Ball Test Results...Pre-Reveal  

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  1. 1. Which brand do you think performs the best in MGS Golf Ball Test to be revealed Monday? (I have no idea what balls are being tested but this is my best bet)

    • Bridgestone (e6, e12, Tour B X, Tour B XS, Tour B RX)
      11
    • Callaway (Chrome Soft, Chrome Soft X, ERC Soft)
      1
    • Cut (Red, Green, Blue, Black, Brown, Mauve, Burgundy, Candy Apple, Cyan, Golden Rod)
      0
    • Maxfli (Tour, Tour x)
      0
    • Mizuno (RB Tour, RB Tour X)
      0
    • Snell (MTB Red, MTB Black, MTB X)
      11
    • Srixon (Q Star, Z Star, Z Star XV, LGBTQ Star)
      4
    • TaylorMade (TP5, TP5x, Project (a), Project (s))
      8
    • Titleist (Pro V1, Pro V1x, AVX, Tour Soft, Velocity, DT TruSoft)
      15
    • Vice (Drive, Pro, Pro Plus, Pro Soft)
      5
    • Volvik (I don't even know if they're in the test)
      0
    • Wilson (DUO Soft, DUO U, FG Tour)
      0
    • Other
      1

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2 hours ago, SmoothG said:

I also believe this to be true.  I'm just wondering if Oncore is closer to Snell or closer to Vice/Cut?  

 

2 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

Probably closer to Vice/Cut. In fact, I think Elixer used the same white label ball as the Vice Pro at some point in time.

The oncore guys imo are above what vice/cut do. Vice started off iirc basically using what was on the market then slowly got more into the design where oncore has done their own r&d from the get go and also have tried different tech in balls. They own patents and are working on more.

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35 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

 

The oncore guys imo are above what vice/cut do. Vice started off iirc basically using what was on the market then slowly got more into the design where oncore has done their own r&d from the get go and also have tried different tech in balls. They own patents and are working on more.

You're correct. After going back through MGS Instagram posts I realized I was thinking of Monsta Golf. However, I still have little faith in a company lacking the pedigree of someone like Snell after everything MGS has exposed. They're more than welcome to prove me wrong in time, but if I purchase another DTC brand it will be Snell.

I still have a box of Vice in my closet that I'll eventually put in play until they're gone, but I've been testing the Bridgestone Tour B XS and am very happy with it so far.

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1 hour ago, TR1PTIK said:

You're correct. After going back through MGS Instagram posts I realized I was thinking of Monsta Golf. However, I still have little faith in a company lacking the pedigree of someone like Snell after everything MGS has exposed. They're more than welcome to prove me wrong in time, but if I purchase another DTC brand it will be Snell.

I still have a box of Vice in my closet that I'll eventually put in play until they're gone, but I've been testing the Bridgestone Tour B XS and am very happy with it so far.

They may not have the recognized pedigree of snell but the oncore guys are going about things in the manner of snell and others back in the day when the balls changed from wound to what we have. They aren’t just taking what’s out there and making tweaks but doing new things.

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Finally read all the way through this thread. Lots going on in here.  I am a little surprised the Chrome Soft did so poorly on the test and that there were quality issues. That seems to be the ball that has worked best for me this year. I go between that and the ProV. I keep trying the Bridgestone B RX, but it feels too soft, or something.

Lots of great info in here, though.  I'll keep trying to find that "perfect" ball

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I cannot see the DTC ball market lasting all that long, especially when you have companies like Titleist putting out a $22/dzn ball (trufeel) that performs a lot like the prov 1 in some tests

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I cannot see the DTC ball market lasting all that long, especially when you have companies like Titleist putting out a $22/dzn ball (trufeel) that performs a lot like the prov 1 in some tests
Some of the DTC lines have developed a strong following. I personally do not like to have to order the balls online. I enjoy getting them instore so I can kick around other gear. But I think the DTC balls that have performed oncourse and in testing will continue to do very well.

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About a month ago the ProV1s were on sale for 39. I dont normally buy them but the Tour BXS balls were sold out. Now this did not come up in testing but since put the the ProV1 in play I have been putting extremely well. Not just a small improvement either. It's been 3-4 putts less per round and it's not like my proximity to the hole has decreased. It's just something about how they are coming off the putter. Once I run out of them I may have to do some serious practice green trial and error and see if it's the ball or if I'm just on a hot streak. But the difference was right away and it has sustained.

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18 hours ago, Tsecor said:

I cannot see the DTC ball market lasting all that long, especially when you have companies like Titleist putting out a $22/dzn ball (trufeel) that performs a lot like the prov 1 in some tests

I think there will always be a DTC market for those who like having quality goods shipped to their door. I do think that the DTC ball companies that are simply rebadging will fade away, while others like Snell will always have a solid sales base. 

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22 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

I think there will always be a DTC market for those who like having quality goods shipped to their door. I do think that the DTC ball companies that are simply rebadging will fade away, while others like Snell will always have a solid sales base. 

If you think about it, all ball manufacturers are DTC companies. I can go on the Snell web site and order ball just like I can go on the Titleist site and order balls. DTC is just a marketing term. I would argue Titleist is more of a DTC than anyone else since the manufacture many of their balls from a USA factory and you can get balls shipped directly to your door.....for even cheaper prices than the other "DTC's"

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25 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

If you think about it, all ball manufacturers are DTC companies. I can go on the Snell web site and order ball just like I can go on the Titleist site and order balls. DTC is just a marketing term. I would argue Titleist is more of a DTC than anyone else since the manufacture many of their balls from a USA factory and you can get balls shipped directly to your door.....for even cheaper prices than the other "DTC's"

What Titleist ball is priced lower than a common DTC equivalent? Make sure you are comparing apples to apples because obviously something like the 2-piece ionomer TruFeel will be cheaper than a multilayer urethane ball like the Snell MTB-X (in this case the Snell Get Sum would be a better comparison which is priced lower than the TruFeel).

Also you end up paying the higher MSRP if you order direct from Titleist’s site vs buying from a retailer which just doesn’t make sense given the retail availability of Titleist products (with exception to their recent limited releases).

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1 hour ago, Tsecor said:

If you think about it, all ball manufacturers are DTC companies. I can go on the Snell web site and order ball just like I can go on the Titleist site and order balls. DTC is just a marketing term. I would argue Titleist is more of a DTC than anyone else since the manufacture many of their balls from a USA factory and you can get balls shipped directly to your door.....for even cheaper prices than the other "DTC's"

No, not really. Titleist can't sell a tour level urethane ball at the same price as Snell due to their overhead and distribution. That's not exactly a true comparison in your example above. DTC is far more than a "marketing term". 

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1 hour ago, storm319 said:

What Titleist ball is priced lower than a common DTC equivalent? Make sure you are comparing apples to apples because obviously something like the 2-piece ionomer TruFeel will be cheaper than a multilayer urethane ball like the Snell MTB-X (in this case the Snell Get Sum would be a better comparison which is priced lower than the TruFeel).

Also you end up paying the higher MSRP if you order direct from Titleist’s site vs buying from a retailer which just doesn’t make sense given the retail availability of Titleist products (with exception to their recent limited releases).

Its based in performance. The trufeel is testing very similar to the prov1 which is crazy if u buy into all the marketing hype...which i do not.   
 

the point is if titleist can make a ball that performs similar to a prov1 for $22 dzn and people want to spend $30 for a snell ball that does the same thing for the average player, then thats up to them.  Imo every manufacturer is a dtc when u can get their ball directly from their site for a great price.   Its all a matter of perspective to me.   

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I'm a fan of the CTP model.... Course-to-player where you hit your ball out of bounds, go hunting for it, find 3 other balls and *profit*.... #finditplayit  😁

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Its based in performance. The trufeel is testing very similar to the prov1 which is crazy if u buy into all the marketing hype...which i do not.   
 
the point is if titleist can make a ball that performs similar to a prov1 for $22 dzn and people want to spend $30 for a snell ball that does the same thing for the average player, then thats up to them.  Imo every manufacturer is a dtc when u can get their ball directly from their site for a great price.   Its all a matter of perspective to me.   

Hmm. All I hear in my head is, “Soft is slow.” Titleist reps even said, “slower,” in a recent video with Tony. I just don’t see how “the softest ball Titleist makes” can compete ball speed-wise with Pro V1 across the board. Spin around the greens? Sure, but I’ll wait and see where it finds itself after MGS tests. I may be wrong in the long run....


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... Titleist isn't going to sabotage their ProV1 with a $22 soft ball that performs "similar". There may be a market for high index players with low club head speed that find the two balls play "similar" for their style of play but I have been playing and reviewing clubs and balls for over 20 years and I have never played a ball that was not a Tour Level urethane covered ball that could play similar to any OEM's top of the line ball, especially the ProV1. A single digit or Tour player may prefer a Bridgestone, Srixon or Taylor Made premium urethane ball over a ProV1 but none of them are hitting an E6, Q Star or Project (S) and I am 99.99% sure that would include the TruFeel.

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3 hours ago, storm319 said:

Also you end up paying the higher MSRP if you order direct from Titleist’s site vs buying from a retailer which just doesn’t make sense given the retail availability of Titleist products (with exception to their recent limited releases).

I am fairly certain that Titleist does this to protect their relationships with green grass pro shops and their other retail partnerships.

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2 hours ago, PMookie said:


Hmm. All I hear in my head is, “Soft is slow.” Titleist reps even said, “slower,” in a recent video with Tony. I just don’t see how “the softest ball Titleist makes” can compete ball speed-wise with Pro V1 across the board. Spin around the greens? Sure, but I’ll wait and see where it finds itself after MGS tests. I may be wrong in the long run....


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1 hour ago, chisag said:

... Titleist isn't going to sabotage their ProV1 with a $22 soft ball that performs "similar". There may be a market for high index players with low club head speed that find the two balls play "similar" for their style of play but I have been playing and reviewing clubs and balls for over 20 years and I have never played a ball that was not a Tour Level urethane covered ball that could play similar to any OEM's top of the line ball, especially the ProV1. A single digit or Tour player may prefer a Bridgestone, Srixon or Taylor Made premium urethane ball over a ProV1 but none of them are hitting an E6, Q Star or Project (S) and I am 99.99% sure that would include the TruFeel.

Like I said, the on course testing was shocking and as stated, we are talking the "average golfer", not tour level pros.....so the comparison is legit, especially when we are talking balls like Snell which you do not see on tour either.

Everyone knows the Prov1 line is elite....but for the average golfer, the performance characteristics and advantages are minimal at best.  But in the on course test I saw, the tru feel flew further and was very comparable on iron shots into the green. Some results were even better. And sure its a small test, but once again, for the AVERAGE golfer who is shopping DTC, this ball seems to pass the initial on course test with flying colors vs the prov1 which is double the cost.

If you can get a Titleist ball shipped directly to your house from Titleist for $22 as opposed to spending $50 for a ball that, once again, that an AVERAGE player will not see any real hardcore difference in performance.....why wouldn't you use the ball....but i guess Marketing rules and it will cause a 18-22 hdcp player to buy prov1's all day long and that golfer will swear up and down the ball helps him or her.  I just don't get it

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8 hours ago, Tsecor said:

If you can get a Titleist ball shipped directly to your house from Titleist for $22 as opposed to spending $50 for a ball that, once again, that an AVERAGE player will not see any real hardcore difference in performance.....why wouldn't you use the ball....but i guess Marketing rules and it will cause a 18-22 hdcp player to buy prov1's all day long and that golfer will swear up and down the ball helps him or her.  I just don't get it

So here's what it'll cost to get TruFeel shipped to my house.

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2 piece, surlyn ball. Here's what it'll cost to get the MTB-X shipped to my house:

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So $4 more for a tour quality, urethane ball from a DTC company. One that will almost definitely perform noticeably differently around the greens than the above Titleist ball. Oh, and one that actually would be *cheaper* shipped to me if I ordered a larger quantity... but no discount from Titleist for a larger order. 

That's not marketing. That's simple economics combined with solid factual knowledge thanks to MGS.

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40 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

So here's what it'll cost to get TruFeel shipped to my house.

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2 piece, surlyn ball. Here's what it'll cost to get the MTB-X shipped to my house:

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So $4 more for a tour quality, urethane ball from a DTC company. One that will almost definitely perform noticeably differently around the greens than the above Titleist ball. Oh, and one that actually would be *cheaper* shipped to me if I ordered a larger quantity... but no discount from Titleist for a larger order. 

That's not marketing. That's simple economics combined with solid factual knowledge thanks to MGS.

I dont really care about marketing terms like “Tour quality” or even really about urethane or surlyn.  I care about Overall performance for me.  I am a 12-15 hdcp so if the ball performs close to a prov1 for half the price, im in. 
 

You can actually get them for $10 cheaper with a simple search but i get your point.  No facts support the snell ball is better than the titleist in any form or fashion but we all know the snell is solid.  
 

but like ive said earlier the difference in performance between the titleist and the prov1 is negligible for amateur players.   
 

this isnt an attempt to slam anything but to just say for the price, the new titleist MAY be the best bargain out there given the test i saw.  
 

play whatever u like and spend whatever u want But simple economics show a $22 Titleist ball is attainable and haS performed well in early testing.  For amateurs this could be a bery good ball. 
 

p.S.  - just saw a 2nd test that shows the trufeel is very comparable to the prov1 in wedge and 7 iron shots to the green and within 10 yards off the driver On trackman.  On course testing Showed they flew almost the same distance and the trufeel performed well around the green
this was the golf monthly test.   Check em out.   

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