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  1. 1. Which brand do you think performs the best in MGS Golf Ball Test to be revealed Monday? (I have no idea what balls are being tested but this is my best bet)

    • Bridgestone (e6, e12, Tour B X, Tour B XS, Tour B RX)
      11
    • Callaway (Chrome Soft, Chrome Soft X, ERC Soft)
      1
    • Cut (Red, Green, Blue, Black, Brown, Mauve, Burgundy, Candy Apple, Cyan, Golden Rod)
      0
    • Maxfli (Tour, Tour x)
      0
    • Mizuno (RB Tour, RB Tour X)
      0
    • Snell (MTB Red, MTB Black, MTB X)
      11
    • Srixon (Q Star, Z Star, Z Star XV, LGBTQ Star)
      4
    • TaylorMade (TP5, TP5x, Project (a), Project (s))
      8
    • Titleist (Pro V1, Pro V1x, AVX, Tour Soft, Velocity, DT TruSoft)
      15
    • Vice (Drive, Pro, Pro Plus, Pro Soft)
      5
    • Volvik (I don't even know if they're in the test)
      0
    • Wilson (DUO Soft, DUO U, FG Tour)
      0
    • Other
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You can actually get them for $10 cheaper with a simple search but i get your point.  No facts support the snell ball is better than the titleist in any form or fashion but we all know the snell is solid.    

but like ive said earlier the difference in performance between the titleist and the prov1 is negligible for amateur players.   

 

this isnt an attempt to slam anything but to just say for the price, the new titleist MAY be the best bargain out there given the test i saw.  

 

play whatever u like and spend whatever u want But simple economics show a $22 Titleist ball is attainable and haS performed well in early testing.  For amateurs this could be a bery good ball. 

 

p.S.  - just saw a 2nd test that shows the trufeel is very comparable to the prov1 in wedge and 7 iron shots to the green and within 10 yards off the driver On trackman.  On course testing Showed they flew almost the same distance and the trufeel performed well around the green

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10 yards off the tee is not “close”... That’s a full club. That’s significant. As I mentioned before, no way they’re “similar” off the tee, but could be around the green, or with wedges because of slower swing speeds into those shots.

 

A ball that shows a 10 yard gain has me buying that ball!!!!! Heck, I’m buying any DRIVER that gets me a 10 yard gain!!!

 

 

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10 yards off the tee is not “close”... That’s a full club. That’s significant. As I mentioned before, no way they’re “similar” off the tee, but could be around the green, or with wedges because of slower swing speeds into those shots.

A ball that shows a 10 yard gain has me buying that ball!!!!!


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I hear ya. That was on trackman.  On course Teating was a lot closer.   Robinsons On course test showed the trufeel Actually flying further.   So, 1/2 the price and u get the same distance or within 15 feet?? I see the value in that. 

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I dont really care about marketing terms like “Tour quality” or even really about urethane or surlyn.  I care about Overall performance for me.  I am a 12-15 hdcp so if the ball performs close to a prov1 for half the price, im in. 
 
You can actually get them for $10 cheaper with a simple search but i get your point.  No facts support the snell ball is better than the titleist in any form or fashion but we all know the snell is solid.  
 
but like ive said earlier the difference in performance between the titleist and the prov1 is negligible for amateur players.   
 
this isnt an attempt to slam anything but to just say for the price, the new titleist MAY be the best bargain out there given the test i saw.  
 
play whatever u like and spend whatever u want But simple economics show a $22 Titleist ball is attainable and haS performed well in early testing.  For amateurs this could be a bery good ball. 
 
p.S.  - just saw a 2nd test that shows the trufeel is very comparable to the prov1 in wedge and 7 iron shots to the green and within 10 yards off the driver On trackman.  On course testing Showed they flew almost the same distance and the trufeel performed well around the green
this was the golf monthly test.   Check em out.   
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You said Titleist was like a DTC and you could get the ball from them for $22. I pointed out that you couldn’t. Please don’t move the goalposts.

We’re all here and not at other forums because we don’t buy into hype. We buy into proven performance and facts. That’s why this thread is as long as it is. Simple construction and makeup show why the Snell is better than the new TruFeel FOR MANY GOLFERS. You don’t agree? Fine. Play what you like. I have no problem with that. None of us do.

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You said Titleist was like a DTC and you could get the ball from them for $22. I pointed out that you couldn’t. Please don’t move the goalposts.

We’re all here and not at other forums because we don’t buy into hype. We buy into proven performance and facts. That’s why this thread is as long as it is. Simple construction and makeup show why the Snell is better than the new TruFeel FOR MANY GOLFERS. You don’t agree? Fine. Play what you like. I have no problem with that. None of us do.

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Nobody is moving anything.  And dont be like the golf wrx guys. Its a discussion, not an argument.   I acknowledged your point (Which was a good one) about DTC With the price and then showed u with a simple search u can get the ball for a lot cheaper.  

All your points are great and i agree. Im simply saying there may be better options for people.   I am a prov1 and a tp5 player but have had better scoring success with chromesoft believe it or not. While prov1 is my favorite ball i may start looking for a ball that performs similarly for 1/2 the price.  Im not in agreement with mgs u have to play the same ball each and every shot ...as a 12 hdcp player.  If i was a great ball striker and a scratch golfer or really low hdcp player, id probably be more inclined to never use A lower priced ball.  I could probably see the performance differences more As well.  But its a good discussion and the testing videos show the comparisons.  Its not my info. Im just shocked how similar the two balls are In initial testing.  

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7 hours ago, Tsecor said:

Nobody is moving anything.  And dont be like the golf wrx guys. Its a discussion, not an argument.   I acknowledged your point (Which was a good one) about DTC With the price and then showed u with a simple search u can get the ball for a lot cheaper.  

All your points are great and i agree. Im simply saying there may be better options for people.   I am a prov1 and a tp5 player but have had better scoring success with chromesoft believe it or not. While prov1 is my favorite ball i may start looking for a ball that performs similarly for 1/2 the price.  Im not in agreement with mgs u have to play the same ball each and every shot ...as a 12 hdcp player.  If i was a great ball striker and a scratch golfer or really low hdcp player, id probably be more inclined to never use A lower priced ball.  I could probably see the performance differences more As well.  But its a good discussion and the testing videos show the comparisons.  Its not my info. Im just shocked how similar the two balls are In initial testing.  

Mgs has shown that there are inconsistencies in balls within the same dozen and get qc drops off for brands that own less of the process. One that chooses to play a different ball they a round brings in more inconsistency and possibly even doubt about a bad shot. The vast majority  of golfers will think a bad shot was because of their swing...that may be in some cases but when you know or are pretty sure you made a good swing and good contact and you don’t get the desired result that’s not a good feeling on the course.

The push from other brands for soft balls opened the need for other brands to jump into that market. Titleist is no different especially now that they are publicly owned and sales numbers matter. Companies see the sales for those that want a good ball but don’t want to pay premium prices or the golfer that plays some scrambles with work or friends and has to buy a dozen balls the day of the scramble. A brand like titleist isn’t going to put out a cheaper ball that takes away sales rom their tour line. 

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12 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Mgs has shown that there are inconsistencies in balls within the same dozen and get qc drops off for brands that own less of the process. One that chooses to play a different ball they a round brings in more inconsistency and possibly even doubt about a bad shot. The vast majority  of golfers will think a bad shot was because of their swing...that may be in some cases but when you know or are pretty sure you made a good swing and good contact and you don’t get the desired result that’s not a good feeling on the course.

The push from other brands for soft balls opened the need for other brands to jump into that market. Titleist is no different especially now that they are publicly owned and sales numbers matter. Companies see the sales for those that want a good ball but don’t want to pay premium prices or the golfer that plays some scrambles with work or friends and has to buy a dozen balls the day of the scramble. A brand like titleist isn’t going to put out a cheaper ball that takes away sales rom their tour line. 

All true but im not sure anyone is suggesting anything regarding sales numbers.  Its simply a few comments surrounding the surprising on course testing head to head with the prov1
 

here is something for another thread but ill put it out there    If a 2 pc surlyn ball is limited in how it may perform for certain golfers wouldnt the prov1 ball be considered a “game improvement” ball?  

 

 

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All true but im not sure anyone is suggesting anything regarding sales numbers.  Its simply a few comments surrounding the surprising on course testing head to head with the prov1
 

here is something for another thread but ill put it out there    If a 2 pc surlyn ball is limited in how it may perform for certain golfers wouldnt the prov1 ball be considered a “game improvement” ball?  

 

 

There’s no such thing as game improvement equipment in golf. That’s a marketing term. Game improvement comes from practice and learning the swing and course managament. I know low single digits that played what are game improvement irons. It didn’t make them an even lower hdcp or a tour pro. I know guys including myself that have played all categories of irons and scores didn’t change.

Companies are in business to make money and those who are publicly owned like Callaway, titleist and so on they big wigs want to see sales increase. They know there’s a market for cheaper balls and they will put out a ball that they hope generates sales. The one thing you will get from titleist regardless of the category of ball and price is a quality product.

when you take out the forum golfer or the one that watches golf YouTube reviews and such the general public isn’t going to know or care how they ball performs against a prov or other tour ball. They are going to pay the cheapest price for a ball they like. They may swap several brands or models to find the one they like and won’t care much because it’s not that expensive.  One of the best selling balls at course pro shops was the Nike mojo...also a ball I used to find quite frequently on courses especially ones that hosted lots of scrambles.  

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20 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

There’s no such thing as game improvement equipment in golf. That’s a marketing term. Game improvement comes from practice and learning the swing and course managament. I know low single digits that played what are game improvement irons. It didn’t make them an even lower hdcp or a tour pro. I know guys including myself that have played all categories of irons and scores didn’t change.

Companies are in business to make money and those who are publicly owned like Callaway, titleist and so on they big wigs want to see sales increase. They know there’s a market for cheaper balls and they will put out a ball that they hope generates sales. The one thing you will get from titleist regardless of the category of ball and price is a quality product.

when you take out the forum golfer or the one that watches golf YouTube reviews and such the general public isn’t going to know or care how they ball performs against a prov or other tour ball. They are going to pay the cheapest price for a ball they like. They may swap several brands or models to find the one they like and won’t care much because it’s not that expensive.  One of the best selling balls at course pro shops was the Nike mojo...also a ball I used to find quite frequently on courses especially ones that hosted lots of scrambles.  

So true.....i agree with all of what you stated. It was sort of tongue in cheek with that statement but it would fit the marketing description of GI, that's for sure

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I think you have two distinct groups of golfers and a very small third group in regards to golf balls and equipment.

Group 1 is budget conscious, always looking for a deal and will buy the lowest priced equipment they can find, regardless of performance. They probably play a multitude of 2-piece golf balls or maybe some recycled golf balls and have up to 6 different brands of clubs in their bag...not because they tested them out and are brand agnostic, it's because that particular equipment was the better deal. There's nothing wrong with being budget conscious...they'll probably never buy a new dozen of Pro V1s because they can find a cheaper ball that may or may not perform the way they want to. 

Group 2 pays top dollar because price = performance. Also, nothing wrong with this but they probably pass up some quality equipment simply because it wasn't priced as high as other equipment. Yes, this is prevalent in the golfing industry, especially with the ball market. I think it was srixon that came in $10 less than the Pro V1 when they initially launched their Z Star line and they had a hard time selling it simply because golfers equated the cheaper price to substandard performance. These folks won't buy a $25/dozen ball that performs similarly to a Pro V1 because of the price. 

Group 3 is in between. 

Golf ball manufacturers are marketing to either group 1 or group 2 which probably make up 85-90% of the golfers in this country. 

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On 10/16/2019 at 8:46 PM, Tsecor said:

I hear ya. That was on trackman.  On course Teating was a lot closer.   Robinsons On course test showed the trufeel Actually flying further.   So, 1/2 the price and u get the same distance or within 15 feet?? I see the value in that. 

First of all, you are taking a YouTube video of a single human playing 3 holes side by side as fact? Distance differences are more quality of strike than anything. I would not expect to see a big difference in distance for anyone other than extremely fast swing speeds. 

Next, on his first hole, he hits a mid iron from thick rough into the green and both balls landed less than a foot a part. The ProV1 held the green vs TruFeel rolling off the green and into the rough leaving him short sided with a difficult chip vs a putt. For the average golfer, that difference could mean 1-2 strokes. 

If if you watch other videos of similar tests, you find similar full shot spin rates but still struggled with runout on shorter shots with the ionomer covered balls (RS compared both Chromesoft balls vs the Supersoft a while ago and saw very similar  full wedge spin rates on GCQuad but noticeably longer rollout on the course). There will be some human tests showing little difference and some showing a huge difference but there are way too many variables at play to definitively say that this 2-piece ball performs the same as a multilayer urethane ball.

Ultimately, play what works best for your game. If you are hitting a high percentage of GIR and play courses with relatively soft greens, you are probably fine with a 2-piece ionomer ball. However, if you miss a lot of greens and play on firm/fast greens, you may appreciate the urethane cover greenside. 

Lastly, people need to stop using cost as a prohibitive excuse for not playing a multilayer urethane ball. Relative to the past, there are options at very reasonable prices as well as opportunities to stock up on good deals to the point where there is no excuse any longer (I got 5 dozen Srixon ZStars for $7 / dozen at Walmart earlier this year, you just need to keep your eyes peeled).

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If the Trufeel really performs close to a ProV1 at half the price, then Titleist is either insane or brilliant for releasing it. And if they've somehow found a way to get a two piece ionomer ball to perform like a 3-4 piece urethane ball, then they've blown through some walls of chemistry and physics.

 

Someone will revolutionize the ball industry again. I mean, we're not still playing featheries, are we? It's just a matter of when. But I'll wait for a test like MGS runs to confirm it. 

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First of all, you are taking a YouTube video of a single human playing 3 holes side by side as fact? Distance differences are more quality of strike than anything. I would not expect to see a big difference in distance for anyone other than extremely fast swing speeds. 

Next, on his first hole, he hits a mid iron from thick rough into the green and both balls landed less than a foot a part. The ProV1 held the green vs TruFeel rolling off the green and into the rough leaving him short sided with a difficult chip vs a putt. For the average golfer, that difference could mean 1-2 strokes. 

If if you watch other videos of similar tests, you find similar full shot spin rates but still struggled with runout on shorter shots with the ionomer covered balls (RS compared both Chromesoft balls vs the Supersoft a while ago and saw very similar  full wedge spin rates on GCQuad but noticeably longer rollout on the course). There will be some human tests showing little difference and some showing a huge difference but there are way too many variables at play to definitively say that this 2-piece ball performs the same as a multilayer urethane ball.

Ultimately, play what works best for your game. If you are hitting a high percentage of GIR and play courses with relatively soft greens, you are probably fine with a 2-piece ionomer ball. However, if you miss a lot of greens and play on firm/fast greens, you may appreciate the urethane cover greenside. 

Lastly, people need to stop using cost as a prohibitive excuse for not playing a multilayer urethane ball. Relative to the past, there are options at very reasonable prices as well as opportunities to stock up on good deals to the point where there is no excuse any longer (I got 5 dozen Srixon ZStars for $7 / dozen at Walmart earlier this year, you just need to keep your eyes peeled).

All great points.  I agree with most of them.  And like i said, in “INITIAL on course testing” Its similar.  So imo a ball half the price that performs similar is worth a look For most amateurs.  Id take a test like robinsons over robotic testing Only because ill never hit it like a robot and i only hit my driver 20% of the time during a round.   Like i said, i agree with u and i also stand by my point of this ball is performing surprisingly well in comparison to the prov1 (Which i play)

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If the Trufeel really performs close to a ProV1 at half the price, then Titleist is either insane or brilliant for releasing it. And if they've somehow found a way to get a two piece ionomer ball to perform like a 3-4 piece urethane ball, then they've blown through some walls of chemistry and physics.

 

Someone will revolutionize the ball industry again. I mean, we're not still playing featheries, are we? It's just a matter of when. But I'll wait for a test like MGS runs to confirm it. 

Its not going to.  Ionomer never has and probably never will be able to match urethane.

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On 10/17/2019 at 8:02 AM, RickyBobby_PR said:

 One of the best selling balls at course pro shops was the Nike mojo...also a ball I used to find quite frequently on courses especially ones that hosted lots of scrambles.  

Yep. My course hosts at least 15 - 20 large scrambles, and quite a few smaller scrambles during the season. There is never a lack of MOJO's laying every where...lol.

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On 10/17/2019 at 10:26 AM, txgolfjunkie said:

I think you have two distinct groups of golfers and a very small third group in regards to golf balls and equipment.

Group 1 is budget conscious, always looking for a deal and will buy the lowest priced equipment they can find, regardless of performance. They probably play a multitude of 2-piece golf balls or maybe some recycled golf balls and have up to 6 different brands of clubs in their bag...not because they tested them out and are brand agnostic, it's because that particular equipment was the better deal. There's nothing wrong with being budget conscious...they'll probably never buy a new dozen of Pro V1s because they can find a cheaper ball that may or may not perform the way they want to. 

Group 2 pays top dollar because price = performance. Also, nothing wrong with this but they probably pass up some quality equipment simply because it wasn't priced as high as other equipment. Yes, this is prevalent in the golfing industry, especially with the ball market. I think it was srixon that came in $10 less than the Pro V1 when they initially launched their Z Star line and they had a hard time selling it simply because golfers equated the cheaper price to substandard performance. These folks won't buy a $25/dozen ball that performs similarly to a Pro V1 because of the price. 

Group 3 is in between. 

Golf ball manufacturers are marketing to either group 1 or group 2 which probably make up 85-90% of the golfers in this country. 

Group 4 is guys like me.... I play tour quality balls that I buy from Lost Golf Balls for a fraction of the cost of new ones.... and any I find on the course. I'm not terribly concerned that they aren't shiny new, or that they have logos on them. It doesn't really matter after you've hit them a few times.... they all look used...lol. I just can't see the sense in paying upwards of $50 for a dozen golf balls that at least half of which I will lose after 3 rounds.

I will say that there is definitely a difference in golf balls.... and I think anyone that hits the ball decently and can get around a golf course fairly well can/would/will benefit from a urethane covered ball.

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Crossfields test shows how close the two balls are as well. I think Titleist makes great balls regardless of the marketing thrown behind each model and for amateurs, the Trufeel is the poor mans Prov1

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Can I ask if anyone has found that with a higher swing speed, that a ball like the Velocity or a Callaway Hot really go?? I just played in a alternate shot tourney last week and my partner said we would use his ball...did think much of it we both are decent sticks, and I was shocked how far I could hit it! All shots where fire, I was almost a club longer and I can move the ball. I see the data that was presented and when I play a "soft" ball its garbage but in this case I was shocked, no hot weather to blame it on or wind the balls where just fire. It has really confused me, I play the Snell MTB-X currently. We weren't even playing all that great, but the shots where coming of my clubs super hot.  

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On 10/19/2019 at 8:47 AM, ZenGolfer said:

Its not going to.  Ionomer never has and probably never will be able to match urethane.

No, but some ball maker will find something that changes the price-performance equation again, just like urethane did. Science doesn't stop.  

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2 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

No, but some ball maker will find something that changes the price-performance equation again, just like urethane did. Science doesn't stop.  

I understand that Bridgestone has a ball in the makes that will be a significant change along that line.  Don't recall the details.

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Putter: :odyssey-small: Stroke Lab 7S

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My Photography can be seen at Smugmug

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