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Thinking that along with the armlocks, reviewers need to be taught the armlock technique specifically. Taken me a while to find a good technique that works better than the Evnroll I had.

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For those of you who are participating I have one question.

What are your thoughts on the hands meeting at the end of the grip and top of the shaft? I haven’t seen one of these yet where the golfer has a majority of their hands on the grip? Is this by design?


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5 hours ago, Green Sheep Productions said:

Thinking that along with the armlocks, reviewers need to be taught the armlock technique specifically. Taken me a while to find a good technique that works better than the Evnroll I had.

Yes, it's completely different feel that must be gotten used to in order to feel comfortable with the stroke.  Everyone that has tried my putter on the practice green could not figure out how to properly hold it until shown.

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1 hour ago, bens197 said:

For those of you who are participating I have one question.

What are your thoughts on the hands meeting at the end of the grip and top of the shaft? I haven’t seen one of these yet where the golfer has a majority of their hands on the grip? Is this by design?


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It must be by design.  This particular putter has a 15 inch grip and, depending on how high up the forearm the grip reaches, it could present this issue.  In my case, I only rest it halfway up my arm instead of 2 inches below the elbow, and both hands are on the grip.

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It must be by design.  This particular putter has a 15 inch grip and, depending on how high up the forearm the grip reaches, it could present this issue.  In my case, I only rest it halfway up my arm instead of 2 inches below the elbow, and both hands are on the grip.


Well then that’s good. Maybe it’s just me, but a majority of the guys I’ve seen using these seem to have a hand on the shaft rather than the grip.

Thanks for the follow up.

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1 hour ago, bens197 said:

Well then that’s good. Maybe it’s just me, but a majority of the guys I’ve seen using these seem to have a hand on the shaft rather than the grip.

 

This is interesting. Have you seen guys using Bettinardi Armlocks specifically?

USGA regs specify “under elbow crease”. But the handle doesn’t have to reach nearly that high for the intended Armlock effect. Without actually seeing these individuals myself, this is a guess, but I’d wager they are trying to get the butt of the grip right up to the limit _or_ their putter length is too long for their particular setup tendencies.

If a golfer wanted to both have the grip go right up to the crease _and_ get both hands on it, the 15” grip that Bettinardi puts on the Armlock might be a stretch for some. I know longer versions are available from other grip companies.

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4 hours ago, bens197 said:

For those of you who are participating I have one question.

What are your thoughts on the hands meeting at the end of the grip and top of the shaft? I haven’t seen one of these yet where the golfer has a majority of their hands on the grip? Is this by design?


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I use a variation of a prayer grip where my right hand has probably 3-4 fingers of overlap over my left hand. This allows both hands to be on the grip, but for players that wouldn't find that comfortable, I think the grip should be a few inches longer. 

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8 hours ago, Green Sheep Productions said:

Thinking that along with the armlocks, reviewers need to be taught the armlock technique specifically. Taken me a while to find a good technique that works better than the Evnroll I had.

While I think that would be beneficial for us, the goal is to test the putter like a normal consumer would. A normal consumer would be limited to possibly a fitting/lesson, and YouTube videos. For us to produce an accurate test we shouldn't receive preferantial treatment that other consumers wouldn't. It could definately skew our reviews. 

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I use a variation of a prayer grip where my right hand has probably 3-4 fingers of overlap over my left hand. This allows both hands to be on the grip, but for players that wouldn't find that comfortable, I think the grip should be a few inches longer. 


And with that I think that’s where the variations are allowed to thrive. You’ll see grip styles that wouldn’t necessarily thrive with a traditional length putter. I can see what you’re doing and why it would work well.

As you progress through this write-up do you expect to try some different grips and stances?
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And with that I think that’s where the variations are allowed to thrive. You’ll see grip styles that wouldn’t necessarily thrive with a traditional length putter. I can see what you’re doing and why it would work well.

As you progress through this write-up do you expect to try some different grips and stances?

 

Yes, I definately plan on trying different grips, mainly the claw and convential, non-overlap grip. I've briefly tried both, and the claw didn't seem to work super well, and I just wasn't as confident with the convential. I do think convential would be my second choice, with practice, it could work pretty well for me. I'm not convinced I should ever putt with a claw grip, I tried it with a non-armlock putter last year, and it was a mess. 

I wasn't planning on trying different stances, but if you tell me what different stances you'd like me to test, I'd be happy to give it a shot. 

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This is interesting. Have you seen guys using Bettinardi Armlocks specifically?
USGA regs specify “under elbow crease”. But the handle doesn’t have to reach nearly that high for the intended Armlock effect. Without actually seeing these individuals myself, this is a guess, but I’d wager they are trying to get the butt of the grip right up to the limit _or_ their putter length is too long for their particular setup tendencies.
If a golfer wanted to both have the grip go right up to the crease _and_ get both hands on it, the 15” grip that Bettinardi puts on the Armlock might be a stretch for some. I know longer versions are available from other companies.


This was not specific to one brand but since Betty’s seem to lead the way in arm locks, it could be just that.

Here’s just one example as a photo. What stuck out to me was how hands near the end of the grip embrace the the taper.

I can’t speak to the latter but I like your theory.


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Yes, I definately plan on trying different grips, mainly the claw and convential, non-overlap grip. I've briefly tried both, and the claw didn't seem to work super well, and I just wasn't as confident with the convential. I do think convential would be my second choice, with practice, it could work pretty well for me. I'm not convinced I should ever putt with a claw grip, I tried it with a non-armlock putter last year, and it was a mess. 
I wasn't planning on trying different stances, but if you tell me what different stances you'd like me to test, I'd be happy to give it a shot. 


You do you brother. I was just curious to see if this would require you to change your address and or putting stance.
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You do you brother. I was just curious to see if this would require you to change your address and or putting stance.

 

Yeah, the only change at address was that I moved the ball back farther in my stance. I had already wanted to move the ball back in my stance, and add some forward press, so that worked out well. You could definately get specs that wouldn't require you to move the ball at all in your stance, you'd just need a proper fitting to determine what those are. 

I didn't need to make any change to my stance, my putting stance is fairly wide with a higher than normal amount of knee flex. If you get the right length, you shouldn't need to change your stance at all. 

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51 minutes ago, bens197 said:

What stuck out to me was how hands near the end of the grip embrace the the taper.

Where my hands meet the grip is one of the puzzle pieces I was able to choose from my fitting. And I’m very thankful for it. One of the reasons I chose the shortest standard length option was because it put my hands on a larger section of the grip profile.

Had I gone one inch longer it would mean my hands start moving into the tapered section _or_ a change in my setup to the ball (ie - slightly raise the heel of the putter and stand closer/taller _or_ acquiesce to an adjusted eye position).

Edit: adjusting the lie angle in my specs could have solved the the heel up dilemma mentioned above but for me the hypothesis of this Armlock integration centers on whether it can be adopted without any unreasonable adjustment to my normal stroke tendencies and preferred setup.

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Just a quick update to my progress, I'm still struggling to feel completely comfortable, and be consistent. Consistency is one of the main things I'd like this putter to give me and it hasn't yet, although I'm probably just being impatient. This putter is showing flashes of brilliance, and flashes of darkness. 🙂 For example, my round yesterday, I had 24 putts and putted lights out. Today, I had 37 putts (no, not a typo), and couldn't make anything outside 2 inches. It's a work in progress, but I am moving in the right direction. 

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3 hours ago, GB13 said:

Just a quick update to my progress, I'm still struggling to feel completely comfortable, and be consistent. Consistency is one of the main things I'd like this putter to give me and it hasn't yet, although I'm probably just being impatient. This putter is showing flashes of brilliance, and flashes of darkness. 🙂 For example, my round yesterday, I had 24 putts and putted lights out. Today, I had 37 putts (no, not a typo), and couldn't make anything outside 2 inches. It's a work in progress, but I am moving in the right direction. 

That's crazy!  I think we blame it on the pin locations and not the putter. 😉  It definitely seems to have a good learning curve when switching to these putters.  Keep up the hard work!  Looks like you're almost there!

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Boys I am loving this so far! Really one of the products I was very interested in seeing the results with. It is great to hear the journey from having to get comfortable with such a different way to approach putting. I look forward  to seeing if any of you will completely adopt this style after the testing period!

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Couple of other variations that I managed with my SS28 Armlock if those trialling are fiddlers. Just like to acknowledge @CarlH first and his comment that a goal could be to trial these putters 'off the shelf'.

1) Imitated DeChambeau with getting a thicker 17" grip and rotating it so the flat is testing against your forearm. I found a nice cheap Superstroke 1.3 17" to play with, feels a lot more comfortable. 

2) Counterweight. Ended up adding 40g of tungsten powder to the butt end. Felt had more control of the head when the CoG was about 1/4 of the way up. This was the #1 improvement for distance control. 

3) Swapped the shaft for a UST Frequency putter shaft that was lying around the local pro shop discarded. Had to cut it to maintain the dynamic loft. Felt much softer. 

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