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Zero offset irons...I mean none - absolutely zero - for average players?


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Ran across this on twitter last night and it looks really interesting....

Like @Shankster I've always dislike offset but with no offset you usually get little tiny blades; these seem to be more of a players iron with no offset.

Someone please try these before me.  🙂

http://truezerooffset.com/

https://www.facebook.com/TRUEZEROOFFSET/

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I'm very tempted.  I've always enjoyed a more game improvement style iron, even as a lower handicap, but hated the massive offsets that most sets had.  I can get fairly steep so the wider soles of GI irons help my game but lots of offset makes me hit it too far left.

A number of years ago Ping released a set of the Rapture irons in Japan called the "Rapture J" irons. They had the same larger head and wider sole as the standard Rapture irons but featured much less offset.  I grabbed a set and really enjoy using them, especially during the winter when I can't play as often and it's often very wet. 

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3 minutes ago, Shankster said:

The Holy Grail.

Do we kneel? Or bow? I forget what the proper etiquette is.

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It's too bad I don't have the eggplant and rain drop emoji here.  Those are absolutely beautiful.

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I’m not much of a lover of zero offset irons but let me just say...the shape of that wedge design is


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I enjoyed reading about these. Something else I just learned.

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I checked out their website as well. My 58 Dyna-Powered’s have zero offset and they are super accurate.

If you don’t need help getting height to your shots, you don’t need offset.

These look pretty good. Would have rather seen them forged carbon steel than stainless steel though.


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Very interesting.  I'd love to know what someone who actually tried them has to say.  Thanks for posting that, @GolfSpy Stroker

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I'd also like to see them make a zero offset hybrid.  I prefer a hybrid that has a little onset like a mini fairway wood so that I won't hit it left.  Maltby made one years ago called the CT250 that was exactly this and I played them for years.  

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So has anyone here bought a set of these yet?

I really thought hard about it but after pricing out a build with DG R300’s it is $900 for a set. Pretty hard to pull the trigger on a set of irons from a new company with poor website photos at that price, especially since a set of Hogan PTx Pros can be had for under $800.




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So has anyone here bought a set of these yet?

I really thought hard about it but after pricing out a build with DG R300’s it is $900 for a set. Pretty hard to pull the trigger on a set of irons from a new company with poor website photos at that price, especially since a set of Hogan PTx Pros can be had for under $800.




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Nope. But those Tour Exotics CBX Blades are at the top of my list. Same offset from 3-AW. Bend them 1° weak and there would be no offset, or so little you wouldn’t notice.
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Their lofts are pretty traditional. Why not take a cheap/used forged set and bend them weak to mimic and test out if you like 0 offset. 

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I know I like zero offset.  I’ve spent the last two years playing classic irons from the 1950’s with literally onset face progression.    These Arias irons look to be the perfect modern iron for a traditional player, a more forgiving classic style club if you like.

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I shouldn’t have looked at the pic in the first post... I’m about to go to bed..... Now I’ll have NIGHTMARES!!!!
So scary!!!! Yikes!


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These really look outstanding.  If I were on the lookout for a CB, they'd be high on my list.

I am curious to hear Brother Deejaid's experience with them....

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I’m not a fan of big offsets, but zero offset...damn that’s scary!


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@deejaid

I'm in the process of buying new irons and looking at DTC companies due to pricing. I love the zero offset idea and saw that you test them!! Would you reccomend? Do they look nice!? I was considering the Ben Hogan PTx Pro/Icon combo, but damn, there is way just too much offset.

Would love to hear your thoughts!!

 

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[mention=56773]deejaid[/mention]
I'm in the process of buying new irons and looking at DTC companies due to pricing. I love the zero offset idea and saw that you test them!! Would you reccomend? Do they look nice!? I was considering the Ben Hogan PTx Pro/Icon combo, but damn, there is way just too much offset.
Would love to hear your thoughts!!
 

The Arias are quality irons. The zero offset is cool but I didn’t care for the size of the heads, just too big for me, and the sole grind was not what I like.

I tested the Hogan combo and they are a much better club than the Arias, at least for me. The Hogan’s size and shape, at least in the Icon, is absolutely perfect. The PTx Pro’s are a little clunky but still pretty compact.

Yes the Hogan’s have a little offset but offset is just one factor in achieving the overall design and performance of the club and for me the Hogan’s are a more complete design.


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On 4/23/2019 at 4:34 PM, 03trdblack said:

I'd also like to see them make a zero offset hybrid.  I prefer a hybrid that has a little onset like a mini fairway wood so that I won't hit it left.  Maltby made one years ago called the CT250 that was exactly this and I played them for years.  

Came to this thread looking for zero-offset iron info.  I'm about to pull the trigger on a set of Taylormade R9 TP B-stamps and see what happens.  But I saw your comment and Sub70 has what you are looking for.  I tested the Sub70 949x Pro hybrid this year and love it.  Its still in the bag and will take a lot to remove it.  its a neutral bias hybrid that is cost effective and has juice to it. 

 

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Quick follow up, the set on ebay is way to expensive for a set of ten year old irons without the pitching wedge.  And the other available set of R9 TP B stamps would require a shaft pull and new install as I most likely can't handle a tour level X-stiff shaft.  Probably still try and get them and put them to work, but not going to overpay.

Does anyone know of another brand that made a set of CB or MB irons that have little to no offset?  This is clearly a hard thing to search for as companies don't really advertise or widely sell these tour issue sets.  Feels like Mizuno coould have made something like this at some time.

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Did KZG make some zero offset irons?  I’ll google and post what I find. 

EDIT:  KZG made some irons called ZO for zero offset but I think they actually had a tiny bit of offset.

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Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree

Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees

Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees

Callaway Epic Max 11 wood

Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW

Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW

Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53

Maltby M Series+ 54 degree

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Aside from the Arias irons that were mentioned in the first posts of the thread, the zeroest of the zero offset irons I've ever seen are the Tommy Armour 986 Tours.  Blades from the mid 80s to the mid 90s, really have no offset.  Might even be onset.

Probably a bit difficult to find them now.  Occasional sets are around, but they're not exactly common.

I should see if I can track down an address pic of the one I've got shafted up at moment...

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On 4/24/2019 at 6:34 AM, 03trdblack said:

I'd also like to see them make a zero offset hybrid.  I prefer a hybrid that has a little onset like a mini fairway wood so that I won't hit it left.  Maltby made one years ago called the CT250 that was exactly this and I played them for years.  

The Mizuno JPX  Fli-Hi Hybrids, or iron replacement hybrids as they call them, have onset. Plus shorter shafts so they indeed genuine iron replacements.

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The Holy Grail isn't necessarily zero or very low offset irons. Many blades have very low offset, and from memory the Cobra Ricky Fowler blades have none.

The issue is making such a beast suitable for 'average' players.

I've been searching for such a unicorn for years. Rightly or wrongly I blame offset for my iron hooking tendencies.

I currently use Player's Distance irons with less offset than most (Cobra Forged Tec).

But there is a super game improvement iron with less offset than all but the bladiest blades.

Check out the offset specs for the Cleveland XL Halo irons, and their forerunners.

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