StrokerAce Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Really like the concept that Eric discusses in here and I'm going to give it a go next time on the range. Thigh-to-thigh Hip-to-hip Chest-to-Chest Shoulder-to-Shoulder ...when needed, all out/full swing - I also like the fact that he would rather switch clubs than trying to go all out. cksurfdude, TSauer, CarlH and 2 others 5 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X/Wilson Triad Buggy- Clicgear 4.0 Bag- Callaway Org 14/Fairway C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 *not watching the video but I’ll echo a few things*Yes. Switch clubs instead of going 110%, your result will be far superior.Keep ball position the same, shaft neutral. cksurfdude and StrokerAce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, Shankster said: *not watching the video but I’ll echo a few things* Yes. Switch clubs instead of going 110%, your result will be far superior. Keep ball position the same, shaft neutral. Great points ! Tempo was the same as well... about the only thing he adjusted was stance width and how far down the club he gripped. cksurfdude and Shankster 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X/Wilson Triad Buggy- Clicgear 4.0 Bag- Callaway Org 14/Fairway C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 This is pretty much what I do. I just call each swing 1/4 1/2 3/4 full. But it's the same concept of thigh, hip, shoulder, full. It really gives you a starting point, and then I can say to myself, "okay, add a little bit to a 1/2", or whatever I need to do. silver & black, cksurfdude and StrokerAce 3 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, GB13 said: This is pretty much what I do. I just call each swing 1/4 1/2 3/4 full. But it's the same concept of thigh, hip, shoulder, full. It really gives you a starting point, and then I can say to myself, "okay, add a little bit to a 1/2", or whatever I need to do. Awesome! And I like the idea of using parts of your body as checkpoints. I have a hard time sometimes "feeling" what a half is, but from a proprioception point of view I can tell where my hips are. cnosil and GB13 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X/Wilson Triad Buggy- Clicgear 4.0 Bag- Callaway Org 14/Fairway C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I don't have a "system" to vary my shot distance; it's all feel. I know that I could probably gain better control of shot distance if I did, but I have other issues that I'm working on at the moment. I can get the ball on the green, and I can usually get it to the middle which is OK for me to front, middle and back pins. I rely on my putting. The main reason I don't have a "system" is the shortness of my swing. Jon Rahm has a long swing compared to mine. lol If I could take what I would consider a standard "full swing" with a wedge, my handicap would be somewhere around 24. cksurfdude 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 This is something I have struggled with my whole golf career. Like @Kenny B I don't have a system, and generally it is by feel. What happens is when it's good it's good, but when it's bad its disgusting. I have tried just about every "system" out there and have never been able to perfect it. It really is what stops me from reaching my goal of scratch. So this year it is my sole focus. Kenny B, cksurfdude and MaxEntropy 3 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I do a lot of 9:00 and 10:30 shots with AW, SW, LW .... much more control and consistency for me doing this. cksurfdude and cjnelson43 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, THEZIPR23 said: This is something I have struggled with my whole golf career. Like @Kenny B I don't have a system, and generally it is by feel. What happens is when it's good it's good, but when it's bad its disgusting. I have tried just about every "system" out there and have never been able to perfect it. It really is what stops me from reaching my goal of scratch. So this year it is my sole focus. Keep me posted on what you find out. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 https://www.secretgolf.com/videos/profiles/jason-dufner/wedge-game/jason-dufner-power-for-wedges This is what I am currently working on. Along with trying not to hit 100% wedges. Kenny B, cksurfdude and CarlH 2 1 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said: https://www.secretgolf.com/videos/profiles/jason-dufner/wedge-game/jason-dufner-power-for-wedges This is what I am currently working on. Along with trying not to hit 100% wedges. The Steve Stricker approach. I was doing that up until a few months ago. Results were not too bad; had some good rounds, but also had days when I think the flat swing wasn't working for me. I have a flat swing normally with all clubs. I have been experimenting with more wrist hinge to get steeper... the jury is still out. cksurfdude 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markelly82 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 This is great information especially if you are not a feel player. My biggest problem is decelerating on the down swing and chunking wedge shots. I always joke with my friends that I'm the best at bogey holes from 100 yds and in. I will definitely be testing this out the next time I'm out at the range. I prefer to not hit full length wedge shots. My body gets all out of tempo when I do resulting in inconsistent ball strikes. Thank you for providing this video for us. Kenny B, cksurfdude and StrokerAce 3 Quote Driver: G410 LST, 10.5 *. Even Flow 70G X-Stiff .5 extended, Golf Pride MCC Align Grip FW Wood: Titleist 3, 15*, DIamana 70G Stiff ; 5 extended, Golf Pride MCC Align Grip Hybrid: Sim Max 19* Ventus Stiff Shaft, Golf Pride MCC Align Grip Sim Max 22* Ventus Stiff Shaft, Golf Pride MCC Align Grip Irons: PSI 5-PW C-Taper 130 X-stiff Wedges: RTX-3, 52-56-60* Putter: 34 Inch E-1 with Pixel insert. Golf Ball: TP5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfriday101 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I don't think that being a feel player and having a system are mutually exclusive. cksurfdude, CarlH and MaxEntropy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, alfriday101 said: I don't think that being a feel player and having a system are mutually exclusive. They aren't. Very rarely do you get a number that is EXACTLY one of your numbers with a "stock swing". You'll say something like, I need a little more than a hip to hip. 3 yards more or whatever. So even with a system, you still have use feel to hit exact numbers. cksurfdude, MaxEntropy and Kenny B 3 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Distance control is probably the worst part of my game. I've been trying to incorporate a clock into my system and determine the distance at 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... similar to Eric explains. Side note, for some reason I've never come across his videos before and they've been popping up more and more recently. Eric has some quality content. cksurfdude, StrokerAce and MaxEntropy 3 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, TSauer said: Distance control is probably the worst part of my game. I've been trying to incorporate a clock into my system and determine the distance at 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... similar to Eric explains. Side note, for some reason I've never come across his videos before and they've been popping up more and more recently. Eric has some quality content. I've watched a lot of Eric's videos .... I like the way he teaches. StrokerAce and TSauer 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Kept a lot of these pointers in mind tonight for a quick round after work... holy cow. My chipping/pitching stance is something I’ve always tinkered with. After watching this I tried keeping the feet a lot closer together and stood more square with the target instead of opening up like I usually do. I have never chipped better than I did tonight. cksurfdude and Kenny B 1 1 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 23 hours ago, GB13 said: This is pretty much what I do. I just call each swing 1/4 1/2 3/4 full. But it's the same concept of thigh, hip, shoulder, full. It really gives you a starting point, and then I can say to myself, "okay, add a little bit to a 1/2", or whatever I need to do. That's what I'm working on and trying to do, also .. 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, Full .. but "Full" is still not 100% effort (have a tendency to pull it left with a wedge if I swing too hard). I try to calibrate position using my left (lead) arm position. GB13 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Just now, cksurfdude said: That's what I'm working on and trying to do, also .. 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, Full .. but "Full" is still not 100% effort (have a tendency to pull it left with a wedge if I swing too hard). I try to calibrate position using my left (lead) arm position. Yeah, I'd say for me full (on all my clubs really) is about 90%. If I swing too hard, the excrement hits the spinning turbine. cksurfdude 1 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulledabill Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Ive tried the clock method and its just too much thought. I carry what I consider 4 wedges and they are dialed in decent. I go by feel and do decent with it. If I could only putt. Quote DRIVER: Cobra F9 10.5 Tensei AV Blue 65g 3W- Callway XR PRO 16 stiff 5W- Alpha- Mitsubishi Diamana Redboard w/band Irons- Mizuno JPX 919 Tours with S KBS Tour shafts Hyrbid- TM 4h mid-rescue Vokey- Vokey SM5 51 degrees, SM7 Wedges 54 and 58 1/2 half 3 degrees upright Putter- Taylor Made Rossa Monza Mini Spider Ball-ProV1 and AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 8 hours ago, pulledabill said: Ive tried the clock method and its just too much thought. I carry what I consider 4 wedges and they are dialed in decent. I go by feel and do decent with it. If I could only putt. I personally lean more toward the mechanical side and do the clock/body location approach. My thought is I want to go 8:00 and then it becomes feel to taking the club to 8:00. I always hear people say they go by feel, what does that really mean? Do you have a thought for feel? Not knocking your approach, just trying to understand what feel means to you. CarlH 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulledabill Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, cnosil said: I personally lean more toward the mechanical side and do the clock/body location approach. My thought is I want to go 8:00 and then it becomes feel to taking the club to 8:00. I always hear people say they go by feel, what does that really mean? Do you have a thought for feel? Not knocking your approach, just trying to understand what feel means to you. Hmm..I guess I've played long enough and hit enough balls that you develop some "feel" for what you need to do with each club in my bag. I take in to account the lie, how much green do I have to work with, is there carry, what trajectory, and do I want it to stop or roll out. Then still screw it up. I understand what my "full" shot is with my wedges and what a (my) half shot does as well. I don't have the mechanical "feel" to go to a specific known clock # in general and that is why I carry 4 wedges. I'm sure I could figure it out but no need to really. I suppose by feel/touch you could compare it to a chip shot in some ways. I would guess most of us go by feel on chips so I really see no difference. Quote DRIVER: Cobra F9 10.5 Tensei AV Blue 65g 3W- Callway XR PRO 16 stiff 5W- Alpha- Mitsubishi Diamana Redboard w/band Irons- Mizuno JPX 919 Tours with S KBS Tour shafts Hyrbid- TM 4h mid-rescue Vokey- Vokey SM5 51 degrees, SM7 Wedges 54 and 58 1/2 half 3 degrees upright Putter- Taylor Made Rossa Monza Mini Spider Ball-ProV1 and AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, cnosil said: I personally lean more toward the mechanical side and do the clock/body location approach. My thought is I want to go 8:00 and then it becomes feel to taking the club to 8:00. I always hear people say they go by feel, what does that really mean? Do you have a thought for feel? Not knocking your approach, just trying to understand what feel means to you. ... Some people are accountants or IT specialists and some people are actors or musicians. I certainly understand the mechanical approach if it works for you and the way your brain processes things. But imo good feel always trumps good mechanical technique and here is why. We don't have many 40 yd pitches on level lies with no wind. We don't always play on the same kind of grass. We don't play in the same temperatures. A 40 yd pitch landing short of the green can bounce and run on a hard dry fairway or stop dead on a lush watered fairway. ... A 40 yd pitch into a 10 mph wind off bermuda grass and a tight downhill lie is a radically different shot than a 40 yd pitch with a 10 mph wind at your back off a fluffy bent grass uphill lie. Pocket to pocket is useless in those situations and we play those varied conditions more than we play a level lie with no wind. Feel is essential to playing those shots well. Granted if you are not a creative personality and mechanical technique works best for you, obviously you can calculate some kind of formula to account for the differences like "I am gonna fly this pitch 50 or 60 yds for this 40 yd pitch" to account for the wind and lie. I see people walk off their putts to get an idea of how hard to hit it but again down/side/uphill makes that approach difficult. I had someone ask me last round how I can be so accurate with my putting after playing a 6 foot break on a downhill putt that looked like it broke 3 feet or less. He wanted to make the same putt and wanted to know the spot I picked out to roll my putt over. I told him I have no idea where I am gonna roll my putt. I check the line from both sides and take the surroundings into account (we were playing a mountain course) then stand over my putt after a practice stroke and let me feet and eyes "feel" where to stroke the putt and then just use feel to hit my putt. ... Like all things with this crazy game there are many ways to accomplish the same goal. But I would always suggest mechanical players try to incorporate at least some feel into their routine if possible. And feel players can always use a little technical mechanics to improve their play. Edited April 27, 2019 by chisag THEZIPR23, cnosil, MaxEntropy and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Aerojet 3/5 ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Steelfiber 780Hy DHy #4 ... Diamana LTD 65r Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfriday101 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 I stated earlier that feel and a system are not mutually exclusive. I stand by that statement. I know how far I hit each of my wedges (and 9, 8 and 7 irons) on 1/4, half, 3/4 and full swings. Now, my 1/4 swing may not be 1/4, but it is what I feel is a 1/4 swing and, most importantly, it is reasonably repeatable swing after swing, hole after hole. The distances I hit my shots is based on a flat, good lie. Basically, these are distances I found and practiced on the range. Since I know these distances, I don't have to think about technique or mechanics when playing. I have the information--which is simply a starting point for play on the course. (As an aside, practicing all four shots with each club is a great skill building exercise and an excellent way to improve ball striking). Here is how it works on the course. Suppose the pin is toward the back of slightly elevated green, which slopes back to front. The front of the green is 40 yards away, the pin is 55 yards away. (I do tend to measure the distances as I've found that architects are very good at fooling the eye of the golfer, at least this golfer.) When I approach the ball, I"ll survey the green, my lie, the slope, the wind, etc. Information gathering. I'll usually laser the pin and possibly the front of the green. I'll then decide on the shot I want to hit--high, low, or medium, little run out, a lot of run out, etc. Most of the time, it will be a straight forward pitch--carry the ball half way between the front of the green and pin and let the ball roll to the pin. The shot I want to hit determines which club I will use. I pick the spot where I want to land the ball. So, in our example, I want to hit the ball 45 to 50 yards in the air and let it roll out. For my 55 degree wedge, that is a bit more than a half swing. I have my starting point. The thinking, or mechanical side now shuts down. Feel takes over. I will stand behind the ball and envision the shot, looking at the target. When envisioning the shot, I will swing the club a bit back and forth in my right hand. I will feel the way the club moves through the grass, the wind, all the factors that go into actually hitting the shots. I'm not analyzing, just feeling and anticipating. I call this priming the pump. When my feel matches my intent, I'll step in and hit the shot. By this point, there is no thought of "half swing" or anything mechanical. (That took a lot longer to explain than it takes to actually do on the course.) CarlH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 I am making it a goal this year to not hit the 52° over 100 yards, the 56° over 80 yards and the 60° over 60 yards.Might change the wedge set up to 46, 50, 54, 58, 62... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 hours ago, chisag said: .... Like all things with this crazy game there are many ways to accomplish the same goal. But I would always suggest mechanical players try to incorporate at least some feel into their routine if possible. And feel players can always use a little technical mechanics to improve their play. This^^^^^^^ I believe that it is a combination of both feel and mechanics that each of us put into a swing. We need the mechanics and technical aspects as a base value and we need the feel to know to add or take off a bit as needed for the conditions. We know that a ball below our feet will often move off away from us so we instinctively through experience and feel adjust to compensate. Knowing that a 9:00 position (or arm parallel to the ground) swing gives us xxx yards, we can adjust the speed of our turn to give it another 5. How often do we find ourselves between clubs? We don't accept that it will be long or short of the pin. We do "something" to adjust our "normal" swing to compensate....call it feel, call it experience, call it whatever. We all do it and our knowledge of our baseline mechanics is at the core of our decision on how to complete the task at hand. THEZIPR23 and cnosil 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Thanks for the thoughts. Seems like everyone is a combination of feel and mechanics. I don’t believe anyone falls exclusively at one end or the other; we are all somewhere in between. Based on the descriptions I am feel based. I take the conditions into account and based on my need I decide how far to swing the club and the tempo to accomplish the shot. My mechanics are part of training and practice; whether it is half, 9:00, hip, parallel arm, etc. on the course I adapt based on the conditions and feel like I need a little more or less than what I have practiced. Ultimately it is what works for everyone and I enjoy hearing other players approach. chisag, CarlH, Shankster and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildthing Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) I use 'Goldilocks' for my distance control (and I still suck!) but there is no substitute for practice playing in lots of different conditions and then gaining some intuitive feel for how the ball is going to react to your intent. You can learn mechanically by practicing where your hands are until its ingrained in your subconscious but there is danger you might use 'internal focus' if you think about body parts during your round (ie. thinking about where your hands need to be). Internal focus 'short circuits' your kinetic chain. Check this out by Shawn Clement . Edited April 27, 2019 by Wildthing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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