Popular Post PlaidJacket Posted June 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2019 I think the club fitting business is overlooking a big opportunity to help golfers even more. As many of us know; playing properly fit golf golf equipment is important. I believe a large population of this forum already have that and understand the benefits of playing clubs fit to your swing and ability. However, I think club fitters are missing an opportunity to help golfers even more. At the end of a fitting session club fitter should IMO present a recommendation to their customers for the optimal course length they should be playing. They've already gathered all the data and know how far their customer hits the ball. Driver and irons. Generally speaking a fitting strives to add distance and tighten up the customers shot disbursement. Yes, I know there are many more data points; but increasing a customers distance is usually the King of club fitting. Therefore, at the end of the fitting the club fitter should also be able to present to their customer a range of acceptable yardages they should consider playing from. For example: 6,300 - 6,500 yards. Or perhaps 6,800 - 7,000. Maybe 5,800 - 6,000. The launch monitor will automatically calculate the CPF based on the data gathered. As we all know - men especially; play from the wrong tee (too long!) all to often. So, at the end of the fitting - the fitter hands the customer their data sheet with all the information gathered during the session which also includes a recommended or suggested course length/yardage. Perhaps it's called the CPF - Course Playability Factor. 1.5200 - 5500 2. 5600 - 5900 3. 6000 - 6300 4. 6400 - 6650 5. 6800 - 7000+ EDIT: 9-7-2019 In recent months I've discovered the LongLeaf Tee System. This is probably a better system although more expensive. But it sure makes a hell of a lot of sense. http://www.longleafteesystem.com/ revkev, Rickp, cnosil and 10 others 13 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I like the way you think Plaid! Great idea! tony@CIC 1 Quote In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 You should Plaident that. silver & black, tony@CIC, GregB135 and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Shankster said: You should Plaident that. *groans* tony@CIC and silver & black 2 Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 My feeling is that people that go to a fitting already know what length of course they can reasonably play, or should be playing. The ones we see that play from the wrong tees probably have never been to a fitting and probably wouldn't go anyway. But I like the idea!! tony@CIC, cnosil, WFWP91 and 3 others 6 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I know which tees I should be playing .... my problem is that the group that I play with (about 24-30) require me to play from the tees further back. They set an arbitrary age of 70 to move to the blue tees. Interestingly enough, the club tournaments place me on the blue tees because their age requirement is significantly lower than 70! I can still play the gold tees (mens) but I enjoy playing the senior tees (blue) much more because I'm not hitting a long iron or fairway metal into every green! But, I like your idea Plaid! I think far too many higher handicap players play from the back tees for ego reasons. If you can still shoot in the 70's from the back tees, good on you -- stay there. But, if you're struggling from those back tees and the par 3s are requiring you to hit your driver, by all means, drop your ego at the door and move forward and enjoy the game again. JohnSmalls, cnosil, cksurfdude and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 The fitters job is to find the best fit for the customer and sell clubs. The monitor software would need to be tweaked to provide that and there need to be a business need for companies to make that tweak. Most golfers know where they should play from and ego gets in the way. Course layout has as much to do with playability as does the distance on the scorecard. tony@CIC, null and cksurfdude 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 *groans*What? Just a little play on words. tony@CIC and GB13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I think this is on the right track, but ive played with plenty of guys that can hit it 270+ yet don't have any business being on the back tees. There's more to being a highly skilled golfer than how far you can hit driver.Take Dead Aim cksurfdude, silver & black and PlaidJacket 3 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED13 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 How many men want to be told they should play further up? Egos can be easily bruised. cksurfdude and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver - Ping G410 Woods - Callaway Rogue 5 wood Hybrid - Titleist TS2 21 degree Irons - Taylormade P790 5-PW Wedges - Taylormade MG3 50, 54, 58, SM9 60 Putter - Mizuno Black Carbon BC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, ED13 said: How many men want to be told they should play further up? Egos can be easily bruised. None that I know of. But it's funny.... a few years ago I made the decision that I needed to make the long overdue decision to move a tee so to speak. I was consistently playing longer approaches than a lot of guys I normally played with. I was at a disadvantage to them and the course and they loved it. Then one day when I finally moved up they bitched and groaned because now I was with them in the fairway off the tee. Their advantage evaporated. Truth be told... they have also lost distance and a few of them have moved up as well. Funny how that works sometimes. LOL cksurfdude, revkev and tony@CIC 3 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmaru99 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Interestingly enough, I have always played about 6900 yards at my home course. I never realized that it is actually fairly further than most courses. I generally hit the ball pretty far (7 iron from 190 yards- 200 if i hit it hard) so I never really noticed it being an insanely long course. I really want to see and play a course where it would really challenge me and force me to hit 5 irons into greens to see what I would end up shooting. tony@CIC and cksurfdude 2 Quote WITB 2019 Driver: Taylormade M2 8.5 w/ Xstiff Aldila RIP Beta shaft 2 Iron: Talormade P790 UDI 17 degree w/ Hazardus Xstiff driver shaft 4-PW: Taylormade PSI iron w/ KBS C-taper stiff iron shafts 52 degree: Cleveland RTX 3 56 degree: Callaway Mac Daddy 4 60 degree-:Taylormade milled grind Putter: Scotty Cameron Dual Balance X5 Ball:ProV1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I automatically head for the white tees and rarely give it (course yardage, slope, etc.) much thought. For the caliber of courses I typically play, they seem appropriate for my game. Some courses, like Las Barancas in Yuma, have 5 tees and they are listed/recommended based on handicap. It seems most course layouts have the tee lengths matched well to the histogram of player ability - whether the player allows ego to choose the wrong tee is another matter. Perhaps in addition to a handicap, we should have a "carry length index" (CDI) which you must show to the starter and/or marshals. cksurfdude and silver & black 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook DeLoft Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 On 6/19/2019 at 12:59 PM, bmaru99 said: Interestingly enough, I have always played about 6900 yards at my home course. I never realized that it is actually fairly further than most courses. I generally hit the ball pretty far (7 iron from 190 yards- 200 if i hit it hard) so I never really noticed it being an insanely long course. I really want to see and play a course where it would really challenge me and force me to hit 5 irons into greens to see what I would end up shooting. Occasionally use only hybrids or long irons off every tee. That would give you an idea how you would play longer courses. cksurfdude and bmaru99 2 Quote 14 of the following: Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Strangelove Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 6/9/2019 at 11:25 PM, CarlH said: I know which tees I should be playing .... my problem is that the group that I play with (about 24-30) require me to play from the tees further back. They set an arbitrary age of 70 to move to the blue tees. Interestingly enough, the club tournaments place me on the blue tees because their age requirement is significantly lower than 70! I can still play the gold tees (mens) but I enjoy playing the senior tees (blue) much more because I'm not hitting a long iron or fairway metal into every green! But, I like your idea Plaid! I think far too many higher handicap players play from the back tees for ego reasons. If you can still shoot in the 70's from the back tees, good on you -- stay there. But, if you're struggling from those back tees and the par 3s are requiring you to hit your driver, by all means, drop your ego at the door and move forward and enjoy the game again. I'm trying to convince our regular group that 50 should be the cutoff for shorter tees. After all, the pros move onto the Senior Tour don't they? CarlH and cksurfdude 2 Quote G410 plus driver,Aeroburner 3W, F6 Baffler XR 4, 5 hybrids 2021 T300 6 - GW, SW irons Mack Daddy CB 58/12 wedge Axis1 Rose putter Alternates: Srixon ZX4 MKII irons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dr Strangelove said: I'm trying to convince our regular group that 50 should be the cutoff for shorter tees. After all, the pros move onto the Senior Tour don't they? its about ability not age- imagine a 4 ball of Tom Watsons all being told they need to move up....lol TR1PTIK and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 45 minutes ago, Dr Strangelove said: I'm trying to convince our regular group that 50 should be the cutoff for shorter tees. After all, the pros move onto the Senior Tour don't they? I've always liked the idea of "age plus handicap" to determine tees for events. For recreational rounds, play whatever tees you want. cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 As a side note to this topic I've become very interested in the Long Leaf System. I've mentioned it before in another post somewhere. Take a look at this and see what you think... Makes good sense to me. http://www.longleafteesystem.com/#our-purpose cksurfdude 1 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 This wasn’t what I was thinking it would be when I checked in - it’s actually better.The soft ware could be tweaked to show a guy what clubs the average tour player uses for his approach shots and then the course length that particular guy would need to be at to play like a pro.Instead of playability factor or tee if forward how about play it like they do. Or some other title that gets a guy pumped for the challenge - he’s trying to equal what pros do.I like the idea Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy PlaidJacket, cksurfdude and GregB135 3 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I think the club fitting business is overlooking a big opportunity to help golfers even more. As many of us know; playing properly fit golf golf equipment is important. I believe a large population of this forum already have that and understand the benefits of playing clubs fit to your swing and ability. However, I think club fitters are missing an opportunity to help golfers even more. At the end of a fitting session club fitter should IMO present a recommendation to their customers for the optimal course length they should be playing. They've already gathered all the data and know how far their customer hits the ball. Driver and irons. Generally speaking a fitting strives to add distance and tighten up the customers shot disbursement. Yes, I know there are many more data points; but increasing a customers distance is usually the King of club fitting. Therefore, at the end of the fitting the club fitter should also be able to present to their customer a range of acceptable yardages they should consider playing from. For example: 6,300 - 6,500 yards. Or perhaps 6,800 - 7,000. Maybe 5,800 - 6,000. The launch monitor will automatically calculate the CPF based on the data gathered. As we all know - men especially; play from the wrong tee (too long!) all to often. So, at the end of the fitting - the fitter hands the customer their data sheet with all the information gathered during the session which also includes a recommended or suggested course length/yardage. Perhaps it's called the CPF - Course Playability Factor. 1.5200 - 5500 2. 5600 - 5900 3. 6000 - 6300 4. 6400 - 6650 5. 6800 - 7000+Great post;This process is “encouraged” in The Villages.The teaching Pros I know, local News Paper and Starter Shacks has this posted.We have WAY too many guys who believe they’re the 30 year old studs from 49 years ago. Our golf groups have adopted this type of thinking and has somewhat worked. There’s always that 10% that want to play poorly from the tips instead of decently from the proper yardage.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy cksurfdude, revkev and PlaidJacket 3 Quote Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 8/20/2019 at 9:28 AM, Dr Strangelove said: I'm trying to convince our regular group that 50 should be the cutoff for shorter tees. After all, the pros move onto the Senior Tour don't they? I play with guys that are 50+ that can play from the tips and shoot close to even par they would laugh if they were told they have to move up. Distances especially off the tee are better determining factor. cksurfdude and Rickp 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I play with guys that are 50+ that can play from the tips and shoot close to even par they would laugh if they were told they have to move up. Distances especially off the tee are better determining factor. Definitely. I’ve played with 70 year olds that are still players and can handle the longer yardage. I’m not one of them. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy cksurfdude and Kenny B 2 Quote Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregB135 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Definitely like this idea. Many have already stated. Most golfers who play to a mid handicap or better know what yardages they are comfortable playing on. This would be a great way to show newer or less experienced players a target yardage to play from based on their launch monitor stats. cksurfdude and Rickp 2 Quote Driver: 311XF Gen5, Tensei CK Pro Orange, S flex Fariway: 311XF Gen6 3-Wood, Tensei Blue 55g R flex Hybrid: 211, 3H Project X Evenflow H, 80g, 5.5 TSR2 4H, Tensei Blue R (Forum Tester) Irons: T200 2023, Tensei Blue R (Forum Tester), 5-GW Wedges: CBX2 Zipcore 52*, 56* Project X Catalyst Spinner Graphite Shaft Putter: ER2 Murdered Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I play with guys that are 50+ that can play from the tips and shoot close to even par they would laugh if they were told they have to move up. Distances especially off the tee are better determining factor. Depends on the tips - at 50 I was a 2 - I could handle many but not all courses from the tips. But to do it i was already hitting a lot of long shots into the green - I learned how to do it. 55 is the definition of senior for ams BTW. I dropped to a 1 at 55 because I moved up a set of tees. :)Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rickp 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Depends on the tips - at 50 I was a 2 - I could handle many but not all courses from the tips. But to do it i was already hitting a lot of long shots into the green - I learned how to do it. 55 is the definition of senior for ams BTW. I dropped to a 1 at 55 because I moved up a set of tees. :)Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpyWhen I arrived here at TV, 65 years old I started playing on Men’s Day on the Execs. 70 and under had to play from back tees. A lot of these Par 3’s are 175+ and a number of guys under 70 had trouble getting there.At 70 you became a Super Senior and can play from whatever Tee you wanted which is OK except closet to the pin $$ changed and they had a formula devised to figure all that out. I started @ 70 to play on the Big Boy Men’s day and super Seniors can play from forward Tees also. I didn’t last long , that’s when the knees and shoulders started falling off.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy cksurfdude 1 Quote Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I read an article about the LongLeaf System (on Golf Advisor, I think?); great concept but possibly too complicated and costly for many - especially public - courses. And then there's the big issue of "compliance" - as already well discussed here, will the players who really need it, heed its guidance and actually do so..?? Another wacky idea I have is to add a string of small yardage signs along the length of the teeing ground, indicating the *carry* distance to get into the preferred landing zone in the fairway. Then each player tees up where appropriate / comfortable for their game. (Sidenote: this scheme NOT appropriate for tournament nor handicap play, as it would throw off the course ratings from the defined tees.) Anyway, Plaid, I love the idea but agree with KennyB above, re: most people who are getting fitted are more likely the knowledgeable golfer who is well aware of the proper tee for them. But providing the info as a general rule of thumb, it couldn't hurt! Kenny B 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 This year the OGA Course (Oregon Golf Association) in Woodburn, OR went to numbered tees. They put out a lot of notices on where people should play and even had a swing speed monitor set up to help people that had no idea what the clubhead speed was. From their website... Our new “numbered” tees have been developed through combined research published by both the PGA of America and the USGA. The use of numbers will assist all golfers in finding the MOST ENJOYABLE yardage for their clubhead speed. Gender, age and handicap based tee assignments have missed the mark for a majority of players. Equality in Golf should allow all players to play similar clubs into the greens on their approach. So, if your clubhead speed is under 75 mph, the number one set is for you. Between 70 and 85 makes you a candidate for the number two markers. Number three tee is best suited for those with 90 plus mph and the number four is for those with and excess of 100 mph. The bottom line is this; you should be able to enjoy the game in a fashion similar to the high level players. This means playing a club into the green that will a) get there, and b) stop when it lands. MDGolfHacker 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulledabill Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Kenny B said: This year the OGA Course (Oregon Golf Association) in Woodburn, OR went to numbered tees. They put out a lot of notices on where people should play and even had a swing speed monitor set up to help people that had no idea what the clubhead speed was. From their website... Our new “numbered” tees have been developed through combined research published by both the PGA of America and the USGA. The use of numbers will assist all golfers in finding the MOST ENJOYABLE yardage for their clubhead speed. Gender, age and handicap based tee assignments have missed the mark for a majority of players. Equality in Golf should allow all players to play similar clubs into the greens on their approach. So, if your clubhead speed is under 75 mph, the number one set is for you. Between 70 and 85 makes you a candidate for the number two markers. Number three tee is best suited for those with 90 plus mph and the number four is for those with and excess of 100 mph. The bottom line is this; you should be able to enjoy the game in a fashion similar to the high level players. This means playing a club into the green that will a) get there, and b) stop when it lands. Playing OGA this Thursday. I will check it out. Im 52 and can play the tips at most places but prefer not to as its not fun for me to hit driver and longer irons every par 4. It's not even always the distance that gets me from the tips, its the narrow chutes to find the fairways on many boxes. I play with a guy who is 69 and was a 4 hdcp but is up to a 12 or so. I give him strokes when we play the same box. When he moves up we play straight up and its a much more enjoyable game for him. When the wet Oregon weather arrives, I will probably move up a box as it creates similar approaches for once it dries out. Kenny B, CarlH and Rickp 3 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F9 10.5 Tensei AV Blue 65g 3W- Callway XR PRO 16 stiff 5W- Alpha- Mitsubishi Diamana Redboard w/band Irons- Mizuno JPX 919 Tours with S KBS Tour shafts Hyrbid- TM 4h mid-rescue Vokey- Vokey SM5 51 degrees, SM7 Wedges 54 and 58 1/2 half 3 degrees upright Putter- Taylor Made Rossa Monza Mini Spider Ball-ProV1 and AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I'm not so sure everyone really "knows" what tees they should be hitting from. Maybe I'm an odd case, but I am almost a 15 hdcp, but can drive ~300yds. So there's plenty of courses around here that, if I don't play the tips, it's a ton of just driver-wedge (shows you how bad my short game is ), but from the tips I'm certainly not burning down the course. Would the recommendation for someone like me be to play up a box or two, and learn to improve my control? And just be okay taking primarily shorter clubs off the tee rather than driver? Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 hours ago, ncwoz said: I'm not so sure everyone really "knows" what tees they should be hitting from. Maybe I'm an odd case, but I am almost a 15 hdcp, but can drive ~300yds. So there's plenty of courses around here that, if I don't play the tips, it's a ton of just driver-wedge (shows you how bad my short game is ), but from the tips I'm certainly not burning down the course. Would the recommendation for someone like me be to play up a box or two, and learn to improve my control? And just be okay taking primarily shorter clubs off the tee rather than driver? To me it doesn’t matter where one plays if they are enjoying themselves. For some that may be shooting low scores, others it may be testing their abilities at a longer distance or whatever gives them joy while being out. the problem is when a group is slowing down the course and that can happen at any distance. Course setup plays a role as much as just some golfers are slow no matter what tees they play from. Rickp and ncwoz 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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