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One of the guys on the league I play on used what he referred to as a "putting Ball". What it was is the same ball he uses getting to the hole, but once on the green he switches it out for the putting Ball.

My question for y'all in the know for the rules, is this acceptable?

Personally I really don't care if he switches balls on the green. But some of us got to talking about it, so I thought I'd ask here.

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I wanna say if you're following the tour rules, this isn't legal. However, I am on a team with a guy in my league who does the same thing. Since it's pretty casual, nobody seems to care. I guess marking your regular can be distracting?

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34 minutes ago, gbtrsc said:

If you’re paying attention to USGA rules (not “Tour” rules) then once you start playing a hole you must finish the hole with the same ball, unless it is lost or damaged.


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100% right, you're required to play the same ball all the way to the hole, unless it's damaged or lost.  There are a few other times when you can substitute another ball, see rule 6.3b(1).  When you m just replace a ball on a spot, as in a putting green, you must play the original ball.

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Technically you are supposed to finish the hole with the same ball unless the ball becomes damaged

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42 minutes ago, GeekingGolf said:

Technically you are supposed to finish the hole with the same ball unless the ball becomes damaged

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There are some other situations where you may substitute a different ball, per rule 6.3

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What is the logic behind this?  Back in the bad-old-days of balata, we used to do this in friendly rounds because the balls would get lopsided after a few holes and not putt straight (and that's if you didn't cut it).  You'll lose a modern ball before you can really do damage to it.

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I believe it's advise he'd gotten from his father, which would have been during those balata days. Just something he holds onto I guess. I can see cleaning the ball off once on the green, never really thought about a "putting ball" until I played a round with him 

Given the tech in today's balls it didn't make sense to me, but I was also curious as to what the rules were.

I don't plan to say anything to him, it works for him and makes the game enjoyable for him. After all, isn't that what it's about ?

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I'd call him on it, particularly if it were a tournament and probably in league play, as well.  It's outside the rules of golf.

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56 minutes ago, CarlH said:

I'd call him on it, particularly if it were a tournament and probably in league play, as well.  It's outside the rules of golf.

Well, I really don't see any sort of avantage and it's a piece of his Dad he carries with him on the course. So I'm not saying anything, just not that big of a deal to me.

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1 hour ago, LeftyHawk said:

Well, I really don't see any sort of avantage and it's a piece of his Dad he carries with him on the course. So I'm not saying anything, just not that big of a deal to me.

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To each their own....I'm a purist....I believe the rules of golf should be followed in tournament play.  If someone is not playing by the rules, regardless of any perceived advantage, it is up to his fellow competitors to protect the field.  In a casual game, yeah, who cares....but I won't have a side wager with him.

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Sorry, hate playing with people who play fast and loose with the rules, Quiet word at the start of the round just to say it is a penalty each time he does it.

I play with 3 other guys thru the winter and we have a wee competition, the winner is the best 5 Stableford score. The last round he is having a stormer which means he is going to pip me. He duck hooks his drive on the 16th into a bush, takes a provisional up the centre, declares the 1st ball lost without looking, someone shouts that it has rolled out into the rough, so he decides to play the original ball.

Its friendly but this is taking the p!ss!

 

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40 minutes ago, Alf. S said:

Sorry, hate playing with people who play fast and loose with the rules, Quiet word at the start of the round just to say it is a penalty each time he does it.

I play with 3 other guys thru the winter and we have a wee competition, the winner is the best 5 Stableford score. The last round he is having a stormer which means he is going to pip me. He duck hooks his drive on the 16th into a bush, takes a provisional up the centre, declares the 1st ball lost without looking, someone shouts that it has rolled out into the rough, so he decides to play the original ball.

Its friendly but this is taking the p!ss!

 

You can't declare a ball lost. It's lost if it can't be found within 3 minutes, or if he didnt declare a provisional on the tee (you said he did though) or he plays the provisional before the original ball is found.

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Exactly!

He doesn't get to choose is the point. 

He did blob the hole and ended up beating me by 1 point for the season anyway.

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My dad does this. He doesn't like to spend money on balls as he believes he is not good enough to play a high end balll (even though he rarely loses a ball)  His theory is if he putts the same ProV1 I gave him to try out every time that his putting will feel consistent. He even has a special mark on it so he knows not to play it!

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You can't declare a ball lost. It's lost if it can't be found within 3 minutes, or if he didnt declare a provisional on the tee (you said he did though) or he plays the provisional before the original ball is found.

A player can say the ball is lost and doesn’t have to look. There is no requirement to spend three minutes, it is just the maximum time. If however, a playing competitor or spectator finds the ball prior to the time expiration you must move forward with that ball.

This exact scenario played out on a season of the golf channels the big break. It also occurred during a LPGA event when the player I was scoring for told the marshalls to stop looking for her ball.

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A player can say the ball is lost and doesn’t have to look. There is no requirement to spend three minutes, it is just the maximum time. If however, a playing competitor or spectator finds the ball prior to the time expiration you must move forward with that ball.

This exact scenario played out on a season of the golf channels the big break. It also occurred during a LPGA event when the player I was scoring for told the marshalls to stop looking for her ball.


This actually happened with Phil once. He had 1,000 people looking for a ball that he wanted to abandon and someone found it, oops!

You can’t use a putting ball, while there may be occasions where you can change balls during play on a hole it’s not always going to happen.

The PGA tour has a local rule that prohibits playing a different type ball even when is taken out of play - so if you start with aPro VIx you must continue with it. That goes back to a time when guys would switch ball type hole to hole depending upon the wind or type of hole they were play. That rule does not apply to us so I could play one hole with my Yellow RevKev Pro VIx and the next with a Taylor Made TP 5x as I did yesterday - there was a 45 minute deluge between 7 and 8 yesterday - it was so wet afterwards that I didn’t want to risk one of my gamers. :)


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We golfers are so funny when it comes to rules. I’m not sure any other amateur athlete quotes the rules more than the amateur golfer.

 

Many years ago I was an avid basketball player. I’d play any and every where I could find a game. This street ball basketball had its own set of socialized rules based on the neighborhood you were playing. One thing for sure was regardless of the location of the game a lane violation (3 seconds) was never called and unless there was bodily harm nor were fouls called.

 

I guess my point here is as long as the group all agrees what rules the group will play by then “Rules of Golf” be damned. Enjoy yourself!

 

Tournament play, sanctioned events and for official handicap rounds then of course the rules of golf should be closely followed. No “putting ball” allowed.

 

 

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21 hours ago, cnosil said:

A player can say the ball is lost and doesn’t have to look. There is no requirement to spend three minutes, it is just the maximum time. If however, a playing competitor or spectator finds the ball prior to the time expiration you must move forward with that ball.
 

Correct.

Heres a scenario I witnessed during a regional strokeplay event.

Par 3, one player pushes his shot into thick rough/bushes, delares a provisional, which he stiffed to 6 inches. He didnt want to look for his first ball and to ensure his playing partners didnt find it - meaning he would have to play it - he almost sprinted to the hole and tapped in for a 4.

Point to note, he couldn't have done that in a matchplay event

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37 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said:

Correct.

Heres a scenario I witnessed during a regional strokeplay event.

Par 3, one player pushes his shot into thick rough/bushes, delares a provisional, which he stiffed to 6 inches. He didnt want to look for his first ball and to ensure his playing partners didnt find it - meaning he would have to play it - he almost sprinted to the hole and tapped in for a 4.

Point to note, he couldn't have done that in a matchplay event

To get even deeper into the weeds. he actually COULD have done that in a match.  However, his opponent would then have the option of making him replay the shot that was played out of turn.

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We golfers are so funny when it comes to rules. I’m not sure any other amateur athlete quotes the rules more than the amateur golfer.

Many years ago I was an avid baseball player. I’d play any and every where I could find a game. This street ball basketball had its own set of socialized rules based on the neighborhood you were playing. One thing for sure was regardless of the location of the game a lane violation (3 seconds) was never called and unless there was bodily harm nor were fouls called.

I guess my point here is as long as the group all agrees what rules the group will play by then “Rules of Golf” be damned. Enjoy yourself!

Tournament play, sanctioned events and for official handicap rounds then of course the rules of golf should be closely followed. No “putting ball” allowed.


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Any league that I’ve played in follows the rules of golf with any modifications being listed as a local rule. (Which is still following the rules) I do agree that if you’re playing for fun with friends or with a regular informal group you should feel free to do as you’d like to have fun so long as what you’re doing doesn’t hold up play or disturb other groups.

But in league play which the OP stated this was in, I’d probably talk to the guy after the round and suggest he look at the rule book or consult with a league officer -

I wouldn’t bother him about it during the round although I should. It’s not fair to the rest of the guys in that league. It’s really not up to me to determine whether or not it’s to his advantage - he’s clearly, blatantly and repeatedly breaking a rule.


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... Lots to unravel here. I play strictly by the rules, but honestly don't care if you do or not. Great thing about this game is like a dogleg over water, you can bite off as much as you would like. I also agree in tournament or league play everyone must follow the rules and as Rev stated, local rules can be anything from rolling the ball in the fairway to changing out balls on the green, as long as all agree. I do think changing todays balls on the green offers zero advantage, but them's the rules. 

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On 6/17/2019 at 4:37 AM, perseveringgolfer said:

You can't declare a ball lost. It's lost if it can't be found within 3 minutes, or if he didnt declare a provisional on the tee (you said he did though) or he plays the provisional before the original ball is found.

Actually you can. If you declare that you do not want anyone to look for the ball, you can declare that ball out. 

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3 minutes ago, Kor.A.Door said:

Actually you can. If you declare that you do not want anyone to look for the ball, you can declare that ball out. 

that's not accurate, your opponents or competitors can search for your ball, no matter what you say, and you are required to identify it if it is found.  the only way to avoid that is to play 3 from the tee, not use the provisional option.

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5 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

that's not accurate, your opponents or competitors can search for your ball, no matter what you say, and you are required to identify it if it is found.  the only way to avoid that is to play 3 from the tee, not use the provisional option.

Yes they can look, the player can instruct no one is to look for it, which he is basically declaring it a lost ball, and therefore would put his provisional ball into play. Which would be his 3rd from the tee. The new rules do allow for some different scenarios as we are learning at our course. 

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there is an interpretation on specifically this topic, rule 18.3.  if he has announced and played a provisional, the provisional only becomes the ball in play if he hits it from nearer the hole than the original was likely to be, before the original was found.

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It’s definitely against the rules. League play is not casual; it’s competition. Everyone has to play by the same rules. And any round used for establishing a handicap is not casual; it must be done following USGA rules.

For newbies, I do recommend playing cheapo balls off the tee or anywhere else they are likely to lose them, and use a good ball around the greens.


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On 6/17/2019 at 8:19 PM, SteddyGolf said:

I guess my point here is as long as the group all agrees what rules the group will play by then “Rules of Golf” be damned. Enjoy yourself!

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10 hours ago, Kor.A.Door said:

Actually you can. If you declare that you do not want anyone to look for the ball, you can declare that ball out. 

As @DaveP043 states, it doesn't matter what you say, if it's a provisional from the tee and the other ball is found prior to you hitting the provisional first, and closer than the 1st ball, then the first ball is the one in play. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) but not being able to declare a ball lost came into affect in the 60's! you'd think we'd all know that rule by now😄

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Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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3 hours ago, perseveringgolfer said:

As @DaveP043 states, it doesn't matter what you say, if it's a provisional from the tee and the other ball is found prior to you hitting the provisional first, and closer than the 1st ball, then the first ball is the one in play. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) but not being able to declare a ball lost came into affect in the 60's! you'd think we'd all know that rule by now😄

You can’t declare it lost, you CAN instruct that nobody is to look for it. That’s what I am talking about. If the people you are playing with are Jerks, then you may be SOL. Yes, if it is found, the provisional ball is no longer an option. You have to play the first ball and with the new rules there are options. 

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