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2019 Official Forum Member Review-Srixon Z Star and Z Star XV Golf Balls

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As I mentioned earlier in this thread that I play the Z-Star.  Based on your reviews, I did try the XV during my round Saturday.  The interesting thing with my round Saturday was that I did it playing irons only.  I was teeing off with a 5 iron max, and working my way around from there.  I started off with the XV and immediately noticed my typical distances were way off.  The XV was a lot longer than the Z-Star.  I did notice that that the XV had more roll out on the fairway and greens.  I ended up switching back to the Z-Star after about 4-5 holes.  I just like the feel better and that it held the greens better on approach shots.

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As I mentioned earlier in this thread that I play the Z-Star.  Based on your reviews, I did try the XV during my round Saturday.  The interesting thing with my round Saturday was that I did it playing irons only.  I was teeing off with a 5 iron max, and working my way around from there.  I started off with the XV and immediately noticed my typical distances were way off.  The XV was a lot longer than the Z-Star.  I did notice that that the XV had more roll out on the fairway and greens.  I ended up switching back to the Z-Star after about 4-5 holes.  I just like the feel better and that it held the greens better on approach shots.


That's really interesting. I have seen only neglible differences between the two in terms of irons. I have noticed the XV being a bit longer than the Z Star mostly due to a decrease in spin (a difference of a couple hundred revs). That just proves once again the importance of fitting.


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9 minutes ago, golfertrb said:

 


That's really interesting. I have seen only neglible differences between the two in terms of irons. I have noticed the XV being a bit longer than the Z Star mostly due to a decrease in spin (a difference of a couple hundred revs). That just proves once again the importance of fitting.


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100% agree!  With the XV there were definitely greens that I flew rather than hitting the middle of the green.

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100% agree!  With the XV there were definitely greens that I flew rather than hitting the middle of the green.


I meant to say that the place I saw the biggest difference was off the tee - I am hitting some tee shots that are significantly longer than before due to the higher trajectory and lower spin. I should also clarify that "significantly longer" is not so much compared to the Z Star. It is longer than the Z Star but it's significantly longer than the ProV1 for me - not so much with irons but with the driver.


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Reviewers-Great jobs on the Stage 1's.   And even better job of keeping the conversation going on here. 
My question would be.  If any of you had played the previous generation Z-Star, in what ways, if any does this one differ?


I personally never played the previous versions of Z-Star before. Srixon was just not on my radar as a golf ball option. I can say that has changed beyond a shadow of a doubt. The insane durability alone is a huge factor.


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24 minutes ago, ChasingScratch said:

 


I personally never played the previous versions of Z-Star before. Srixon was just not on my radar as a golf ball option. I can say that has changed beyond a shadow of a doubt. The insane durability alone is a huge factor.


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I played a round with a new Prov1 yesterday and at the end it looked only fit for the practice bag.

So Z stars are on my buy list as soon as I can sell the Prov1's.

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I played in a scramble Friday afternoon. I have been playing the Z Star. One of the guys in our group gave me an XV to try. It may be purely anecdotal since I don't have a terribly repeatable swing, but the ball flight seemed different, with the XV quite a bit lower. I need lower, especially with driver and FW's.

Can someone else comment on this? Are you seeing similar differences?

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I played in a scramble Friday afternoon. I have been playing the Z Star. One of the guys in our group gave me an XV to try. It may be purely anecdotal since I don't have a terribly repeatable swing, but the ball flight seemed different, with the XV quite a bit lower. I need lower, especially with driver and FW's.
Can someone else comment on this? Are you seeing similar differences?


Hey Max! The XV is designed to fly higher than the Z Star according to Srixon (they list the Z Star as having a "mid" flight and the XV as"mid-high") but your experience could absolutely be different. I have played both balls extensively now and they are quite easy to flight down. What's funny is that when I first started the review process I found that I hit them both much higher than what I like to see but over time they have settled into a window that fits my eye quite nicely. All that said, I can't really tell much of a difference in ball flight between the two. I will be checking that when I use Flight Scope.


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5 hours ago, golfertrb said:

 


Hey Max! The XV is designed to fly higher than the Z Star according to Srixon (they list the Z Star as having a "mid" flight and the XV as"mid-high") but your experience could absolutely be different. I have played both balls extensively now and they are quite easy to flight down. What's funny is that when I first started the review process I found that I hit them both much higher than what I like to see but over time they have settled into a window that fits my eye quite nicely. All that said, I can't really tell much of a difference in ball flight between the two. I will be checking that when I use Flight Scope.


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Thanks for the feedback, although I have almost no ability to control the flight of the ball once you get a wedge out of my hands. I kind of figured my experience was mostly anecdotal, especially when it involves a driver.

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Thanks for the feedback, although I have almost no ability to control the flight of the ball once you get a wedge out of my hands. I kind of figured my experience was mostly anecdotal, especially when it involves a driver.


This is exactly what I was wondering, can the everyday golfer (or even better golfer) tell the difference between mid and mid-high ball flight? Are we even consistent enough to know the difference? That seems like something that is purely relative to each golfer.


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Sooooo I went and got on the GC2 today..........
 
Huge shout out to the PGA Tour Superstore on 600 Accent Dr in Plano, TX!!  I paid for a 30min session and they let me stay as long as I needed to get my data.  They have HUGE store and very friendly employees. Check it out if you are in the area or ever visit!
 
First thoughts/impressions on the balls:
 
1) I started playing the Kirkland 3-piece this summer and have liked it so far (for the price it’s pretty awesome). However, I now realize that the durability is horrid compared to the Srixon lineup. I started off by hitting my 58* SM7 wedge full out. The Kirkland was scuffed/cut in several places after the first 10 swings. The Srixons held up much better through the duration of the session.
 
Kirkland scuffed:
1378922463_KirklandScuff1-resize.jpg.d6cf300aebd60304e402d1f676bd23c8.jpg
 
Kirkland scuffed 2:
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Z-Star scuff:
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XV Scuff:
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2) As MGS said in their golf ball study, at higher speeds is where you really see distance differences. This was evident as I went up from lob wedge, to 7 iron, then finally to driver. The Kirkland spun the most for each club, and the Z-Star actually spun less than XV on the lob and 7 irons (go figure). Driver though...... backspin was the lowest on the XV, and that was my longest ball by far.  I do have to say though, I am not convinced that the differences between the carry distances are as large as I found today.  I struggle with hitting drivers in simulators for some reason, and the differences between the averages are just too huge for me to trust fully.
 
3) As far as the mid-high trajectory of the XV compared to the mid trajectory of the Z-star, I did not find any statistically significant results to support those claims.  It could have something to do with the fact that I am not a robot, but I checked for outliers.  In fact, the peak average height was the exact same on both the 7iron and Driver swings with the Z-Star and XV.
 
I’ll post a more comprehensive statistical analysis in my Stage 2 official review (we'll get into the MANOVA, Box-plots, and all that other jazz) but these teasers will have to serve for now.
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On 7/2/2019 at 11:17 AM, ChasingScratch said:

 


This is exactly what I was wondering, can the everyday golfer (or even better golfer) tell the difference between mid and mid-high ball flight? Are we even consistent enough to know the difference? That seems like something that is purely relative to each golfer.


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That's a really good question and honestly I can't tell a difference at all. There are too many variables to be able to quantitatively say with the naked eye differences in flight between the Z Star and XV. I have hit them both high and low and I have no point of reference for mid and mid-high. I'm not sure it's even a consistency issue totally (although I'm certainly not consistent enough to say) because there are so many variables: lie, wind, humidity, etc. 

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21 hours ago, ChasingScratch said:
Sooooo I went and got on the GC2 today..........
 
Huge shout out to the PGA Tour Superstore on 600 Accent Dr in Plano, TX!!  I paid for a 30min session and they let me stay as long as I needed to get my data.  They have HUGE store and very friendly employees. Check it out if you are in the area or ever visit!
 
First thoughts/impressions on the balls:
 
1) I started playing the Kirkland 3-piece this summer and have liked it so far (for the price it’s pretty awesome). However, I now realize that the durability is horrid compared to the Srixon lineup. I started off by hitting my 58* SM7 wedge full out. The Kirkland was scuffed/cut in several places after the first 10 swings. The Srixons held up much better through the duration of the session.
 
Kirkland scuffed:
1378922463_KirklandScuff1-resize.jpg.d6cf300aebd60304e402d1f676bd23c8.jpg
 
Kirkland scuffed 2:
1088329826_KirklandScuff2-resize.jpg.48f86d6ffc75f8b415691ab51c925868.jpg
 
Z-Star scuff:
729423224_Z-starscuff-resize.jpg.f37d9c8776d3e94653fa8ec13400e2f0.jpg
 
XV Scuff:
852771573_XVscuff-resize.jpg.b2feef1c3ca257d5c592a5fd7288cbea.jpg
 
2) As MGS said in their golf ball study, at higher speeds is where you really see distance differences. This was evident as I went up from lob wedge, to 7 iron, then finally to driver. The Kirkland spun the most for each club, and the Z-Star actually spun less than XV on the lob and 7 irons (go figure). Driver though...... backspin was the lowest on the XV, and that was my longest ball by far.  I do have to say though, I am not convinced that the differences between the carry distances are as large as I found today.  I struggle with hitting drivers in simulators for some reason, and the differences between the averages are just too huge for me to trust fully.
 
3) As far as the mid-high trajectory of the XV compared to the mid trajectory of the Z-star, I did not find any statistically significant results to support those claims.  It could have something to do with the fact that I am not a robot, but I checked for outliers.  In fact, the peak average height was the exact same on both the 7iron and Driver swings with the Z-Star and XV.
 
I’ll post a more comprehensive statistical analysis in my Stage 2 official review (we'll get into the MANOVA, Box-plots, and all that other jazz) but these teasers will have to serve for now.

My own testing has proven out the same claims as has yours. I have seen very little difference between these balls in terms of distance either except with the driver; the XV is the longer by a noticeable margin and I have seen this on the course as well. It's interesting your observations related to spin as well. I played Monday and I was amazed at 2 shots I had while playing. I was playing the XV that evening but there were several shots that I hit a second shot with the Z Star by way of comparison. The first shot was a nine iron down wind from the rough - the XV spun so much better than the Z Star I was shocked. It hit the green and took one bounce and stopped. The Z Star hit the green but rolled through the green. Certainly strike had an impact but both felt well struck but responded quite differently. The second shot was my third into a par 5. I had 55 yards with a perfect lie in the fairway. I struck them both quite well but the XV actually backed up toward the hole - so much so that my playing partners were amazed. Needless to say - I have become a believer and my ball search is over but more on that is Phase 2. 

Good stuff Scratch!

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That's a really good question and honestly I can't tell a difference at all. There are too many variables to be able to quantitatively say with the naked eye differences in flight between the Z Star and XV. I have hit them both high and low and I have no point of reference for mid and mid-high. I'm not sure it's even a consistency issue totally (although I'm certainly not consistent enough to say) because there are so many variables: lie, wind, humidity, etc. 


Exactly. It’s relative unless you can dial in a robot.


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My own testing has proven out the same claims as has yours. I have seen very little difference between these balls in terms of distance either except with the driver; the XV is the longer by a noticeable margin and I have seen this on the course as well. It's interesting your observations related to spin as well. I played Monday and I was amazed at 2 shots I had while playing. I was playing the XV that evening but there were several shots that I hit a second shot with the Z Star by way of comparison. The first shot was a nine iron down wind from the rough - the XV spun so much better than the Z Star I was shocked. It hit the green and took one bounce and stopped. The Z Star hit the green but rolled through the green. Certainly strike had an impact but both felt well struck but responded quite differently. The second shot was my third into a par 5. I had 55 yards with a perfect lie in the fairway. I struck them both quite well but the XV actually backed up toward the hole - so much so that my playing partners were amazed. Needless to say - I have become a believer and my ball search is over but more on that is Phase 2. 
Good stuff Scratch!


Yes!! The boxes say that the Z-star is supposed to spin more, but with wedge and 7iron the XV spins more on the GC2 for me. Maybe they misprinted the boxes lol. But the MGS robot found the same.


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Played 9 last night and 18 today stictly with the XV. I did do some comparisons on a few greenside shots. approach shots. and putts with the Z Star and my ProV1 on the 9, but stictly XV tonight.

My home course greens are hard and tough to hold. Today was 80 degrees and maybe a 5 mph breeze. Course was dry.

This shot was a high trajectory 8i to 155 yard pin. Ball stopped at about 2 feet above ball mark. Acceptable in my book.as this green is tough to hold. 1562213146172.jpg.9387cceaa7ecd4ef00f5e3c7f8374b36.jpg

 

 

This next shot is a 130 yard pw down wind to a rock of a green. Another one where my nomal ProV1 doesnt do any better. Ball ended up 10 feet or so above ball mark. 

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My playing partner asked me around #8 how I liked the ball and how it compared to my ProV1. I told him I hadnt thought much about it and wasnt surprised at its performance. Thats a good thing!!

As Ive played both the Z Star and the XV, I am finding that they are very durable. the XV isnt great in the wind, the XV has a harder feel then the Z Star, and the Z is more of a spinne,r but very acceptable. Off the putter today I had forgot that I wasnt playing my normsl gamer. 

Im going to spend some time greenside this week with these balls at that is really what makes or breaks a ball for me. 

These are very good balls MGS!  

 

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Hey guys, I’ve played the Z Star a lot in the past and have had some go about 20 yards longer than expected on full shots out of the rough with irons. Are any of you seeing the same thing?


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Hey guys, I’ve played the Z Star a lot in the past and have had some go about 20 yards longer than expected on full shots out of the rough with irons. Are any of you seeing the same thing?


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I cannot say that I’ve hand at surpriser shots with either of these balls. If I miss hit it, I expect it to be short, but I have yet to have one fly the green when I expected it to be on the number.


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Played 9 last night and 18 today stictly with the XV. I did do some comparisons on a few greenside shots. approach shots. and putts with the Z Star and my ProV1 on the 9, but stictly XV tonight.
My home course greens are hard and tough to hold. Today was 80 degrees and maybe a 5 mph breeze. Course was dry.
This shot was a high trajectory 8i to 155 yard pin. Ball stopped at about 2 feet above ball mark. Acceptable in my book.as this green is tough to hold. 1562213146172.jpg.9387cceaa7ecd4ef00f5e3c7f8374b36.jpg
 
 
This next shot is a 130 yard pw down wind to a rock of a green. Another one where my nomal ProV1 doesnt do any better. Ball ended up 10 feet or so above ball mark. 
1562213145986.jpg.362b68d8a46a79265b05a89fd32c1700.jpg
My playing partner asked me around #8 how I liked the ball and how it compared to my ProV1. I told him I hadnt thought much about it and wasnt surprised at its performance. Thats a good thing!!
As Ive played both the Z Star and the XV, I am finding that they are very durable. the XV isnt great in the wind, the XV has a harder feel then the Z Star, and the Z is more of a spinne,r but very acceptable. Off the putter today I had forgot that I wasnt playing my normsl gamer. 
Im going to spend some time greenside this week with these balls at that is really what makes or breaks a ball for me. 
These are very good balls MGS!  
 


I agree, these balls have plenty of spin to hold any green. Nice shots!!


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