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20 minutes ago, golfertrb said:

You know the mantra of MGS - we don't care what it looks like, how it feels or how it sounds - just performance. And the G410 Crossover flat performs. You can make some modifications to impact sound as you said, but don't discount it due to sound. It's REALLY good.

Oh I completely agree that it performs!  I was getting a great flight with each strike.  Good forgiveness on mishits as well. 

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Have I mentioned how much I love the G410 3W? Well let me say it again, I LOVE MY G410 3W. I hit two ridiculous tee shots today. Hole 5 at the Turtle Bay Fazio Course is straight and the green is surrounded by bunkers. GPS showed 280 to the bunkers. I absolutely murder my tee shot and it rolls out to one of the areas between bunkers. I knew it was good when I hit it and was surprised to see how much it rolled out. Hole 6 is a dogleg right, which obviously demands a fade. I pulled out my trusty G410 3W again and actually hit a fade on demand, which left me with around 155ish in on a hole that plays 435. I've hit a number of good shots with this club already, but these were easily two of my best. If you're in the market for a new FW, do not hesitate to try the G410 line. Ridiculous performance!

My third best shot of the day was with my G410 2H. I hit a mediocre drive on #16, which is a 482 yard par 4. I had a good lie in the rough and had 235 left to the pin so I figured my hybrid would get the job done. The pin was in the back left of the green, so I aimed right towards the fairway opening that ran up to the green, ripped a shot (kinda caught it towards the toe) and ended up with a 20ish foot putt. Hot face and forgiving, these hybrids are also ridiculous, haha!

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Oops - I thought this was a right to left wind a bit down - guessed wrong. :)

 

 

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Srixon ZX5 MK II  5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex

India 52,56 (60 pending)  UST recoil 75's R flex  

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On 7/19/2019 at 10:10 AM, goaliewales14 said:

 

@mr.hicksta I believe you mentioned the sound earlier in this thread as well.  Have you thought about putting cotton balls in the body?  We did that with a friend's i500's and it made a huge difference!  We also used to do it to his Ping G LST driver.

Tell me more about this cotton ball into the i500's, if you take the screw out of the toe can you just stick them in? 

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7 hours ago, Thin2win said:

Tell me more about this cotton ball into the i500's, if you take the screw out of the toe can you just stick them in? 

Exactly!  I think we started with half a cotton ball.  We did the 8 iron first and there wasn't much room inside as you'd think.  If you have a something like a small screwdriver, pen, or paper clip to help shove it in so it's not all clumped in the toe.  We tried to make sure it was even across the face.

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On 7/21/2019 at 12:06 AM, PAgolfer2017 said:

Spent some more time today with the hybrids and 3 wood. I think I figured out my 3-wood. Moved the back a tiny bit from where it was as made better contact.

Threw on some impact tape and still am all over the face for the 3-wood and hybrids. But on the few occasions I hit the center, I could tell such a huge difference feel wise. For me, I can definitely feel the difference with off center hits.


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With Heat Index's above 105 for the past 4 or 5 days, I haven't even thought of playing.   Last time out was last Wednesday when we got 5 holes in of league before being rained out---those are the screen shots I posted last page.

With better temps this week, I hope to get out for two rounds and see if I can pick up where I left off on Wed, which was smacking the heck out of the FW's!!

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With Heat Index's above 105 for the past 4 or 5 days, I haven't even thought of playing.   Last time out was last Wednesday when we got 5 holes in of league before being rained out---those are the screen shots I posted last page.
With better temps this week, I hope to get out for two rounds and see if I can pick up where I left off on Wed, which was smacking the heck out of the FW's!!


Same for me. So hot out this past week. Tried to hit a few in the garage and I was sweating bullets before I put my glove on! Leave for a weeklong trip of Boston/Maine that should have 3-4 rounds of golf. Should give me some good Arccos data!


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This is normal for me - 105 heat index = a break in the weather quiet honestly.


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SO much nicer when the weather isn't 100+ degrees outside. Briefly got to the range. Was very much a spur of the moment, so I didn't have any impact tape or Skytrak, but spent some significant time with the hybrids and fairway.

Today's focus was really on tempo and hit some great shots. Both hybrids are easy to hit. Moved the ball placement an inch or so closer to the middle of my stance and it made all the difference. I think the one area that these really could shine are on some 3/4 shots. 

Spent some time with my arch nemesis 3-wood as well. Again, such a love hate relationship, but tried the ball a little closer to center, and also focused on tempo instead of trying to kill the ball, and got much better results. I'm still not 100% sold on the 3-wood, but I do not believe it has anything to do with the G410 line itself. I think for me it's just something I'm not confident with.

Leave tomorrow for Plymouth MA, and then off to Maine for a week with my wife's family. I believe I have a round scheduled for Friday in Plymouth, then we have 3 or 4 rounds scheduled in Maine. I'll have Arccos and the G410 line.

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On 7/22/2019 at 12:34 PM, Golfspy_CG2 said:

With Heat Index's above 105 for the past 4 or 5 days, I haven't even thought of playing.   Last time out was last Wednesday when we got 5 holes in of league before being rained out---those are the screen shots I posted last page.

With better temps this week, I hope to get out for two rounds and see if I can pick up where I left off on Wed, which was smacking the heck out of the FW's!!

Summer has been brutal this year. I’ve passed on playing or practicing several times because it was too hot

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10 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Summer has been brutal this year. I’ve passed on playing or practicing several times because it was too hot

The nonsense had better be gone when I'm back east in September!

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1 hour ago, mr.hicksta said:

The nonsense had better be gone when I'm back east in September!

Should be but we get some wacky Septembers

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5 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Should be but we get some wacky Septembers

Indeed we do.  But if it's mid Sept or later chances are good it'll be good weather. 

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1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Indeed we do.  But if it's mid Sept or later chances are good it'll be good weather. 

If it’s late he will get to see the beginning of the fall visual changes and great views up in the mountains 

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So above is some data from Arccos. Definitely have had a love/hate relationship still. As of now I can’t tell if it’s fit the gap that I’m looking for because I get so inconsistent with both the hybrids and 3-wood. My longest iron is a 5, and I’m comfortable with that club around they 175-180 range then after that it’s been hit or miss.

 

I’ve seen shots with my 4-hybrid and 3-hybrid that reach that 180-190 and 190-200 range but I’ve also had my fair share of shots they fall greatly short of that range. I know I have issues other places as well. Part of that is due to the limited arccos rounds, which may also play a role into things, but figured it’d be fun to post some data based on what I have.

 

Few examples (don’t mind the lousy tee shots...haha)

 

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Shot scope did not capture the pin correctly here - It was about 4 feet.

I do really like the 7 and 9 wood - the 5 has the jury out on it.

When I play this course next week I will pull the 52 and 56, put in the 53 and 3 wood.

I hit the 5 wood really well off the turf. I struggle with it off the tee.


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Time for some more examples of how love I am with this 7 wood.  9 wood as well just haven't used it as much.  Gapping on the top end is good.   Irons are A bit too rightly bunched for my liking. 

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This one is an interesting par 5. Had two cross hazards.  The tee was moved up so there was only about 170 yards to the end of the first fairway then about 220 to the end of the 2nd one   so I went 6 hybrid, 7 wood and 6 hybrid.  F966A1D7-C04F-430B-9717-29A4AD1D6429.jpeg

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7 hours ago, mr.hicksta said:

Alright here are some numbers from tonight’s range session.

3W off the deck and tee respectively.
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2H off the deck
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4 Crossover off the deck
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I’m not sure about the Crossover yardage honestly even though I did flush it. The hybrid shot was ripped, too so who knows emoji23.png.

I would take any one f those numbers off the tee. 

SX is great.  But one session last year out of the blue it read a couple of my drives at 330 yards.  Lol. We know that didn't happen.  😳

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4 Crossover off the deck
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I’m not sure about the Crossover yardage honestly even though I did flush it. The hybrid shot was ripped, too so who knows .


I believe it - I have hit mine (2 Crossover) some distances that have surprised me off the tee and off the deck!


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It's been a bit quiet in here the past week, so I'l just chime in with this from yesterday.

I don't have an arcoss screen shot as it was a scramble, so I wasn't using it.

But on a par 5 we had 179'ish into the green for our second shot.   Being the short hitter and highest cap in the group, I was "that guy" that always hit first to get the ball safely in play....you all know that guy.  We all have had him in our scambles, sadly over the past 5 years, Ive become that guy.   But I digress.

So hitting first, I took out my 7 wood as that has been a pretty good distance with it for me of late.   I hit it very slightly heavy but not enough to keep it from sneaking on the front part of the green and releasing to the middle right-pin high about 20 feet.   

Figuring I managed that I thought one of the others would stick it close, they were all hitting 6 iron.   They all came up short...had did I let them hear about it in a fun way.

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Alright, I just got back from my Cali trip and put my clubs to use quite a bit. Here are a few highlights from each club. 

G410 3W: After a pounded drive at Incline Village Championship #13, which is a 600 yard par 5, I had just under 300 left in. The green was still to the right around a dog leg, and my lie in the fairway was a bit below my feet. I was stuck shooting for a target on the corner to give myself a good look at the green with my third. I absolutely smash my 3W directly at my intended target, which left me around 80ish yards for my third shot. I was impressed with the shot because of the lie, and it drew some praise from my group, which is always nice!

G410 2H: I actually didn't use my hybrid as much as usual this trip, but when I did it was money. My favorite shot was on Edgewood #4, which is a 520ish yard par 5. I hit another good drive, and had 230ish left in. The green had bunkers around the front and the shot was slightly uphill. I figured at 6500 feet I'd have no problem getting there, and my shot ended up hitting around the middle of the green and hopping into the rough behind the green. Ball flight was absolutely perfect, and while it didn't hold the green, it was still a quality shot! 

G410 4 Crossover: At Incline Village Championship Course #12, a downhill, severe dogleg right, I needed a tee shot that was less than 250. I was aiming to get my tee shot around 230 max so it was 4 Crossover time. I put a solid swing on it and ended up in the 230ish range which left me a 9 iron in. This thing is crazy accurate! 

Despite my overall game not being the greatest over the 6 rounds I've played since last week, these long game clubs once again shined. It wasn't all pretty, but when my swing was in sync, I never had any issues with the end result!

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So the better part of a week and a half I was (literally) in the backwoods of Maine...so apologies for the lack of updates! 700+ miles and I'm at least back in PA!

I need to sort through some Arccos data but I got in 4 rounds in the past week, and I still have some mixed feelings on these. They setup well, they look good, but man am I topping the heck out of all of them. I think I've yet to hit a green with either of the hybrids, and have really struggled with the distance that I would expect to see from them.

 3H is probably the best of the 3. I've struggled hitting greens with any of them, but this has been my go to club off the tee for short par 4's and for laying up on long par 5's. I will say I feel confident that the club will go straight (or relatively straight) but this is probably the one club that I still feel confident with.

4h i've surprisingly struggled with. I'd expect myself to hit this relatively well considering I've had relative success with the 3H, but I had a round where I pulled it 3 times and proceeded to top it all 3 times.

3W has been a nightmare lately. The few times I pulled it this week, I shanked one shot and topped the others. Not one shot that was hit well. Lead to some frustrating rounds. 

Ironically I hit my irons about as well as I could. Everything else....blah.

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Putter: :taylormade-small: Spider X

Ball: :taylormade-small: TP5 PIX

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My Stage 2 review is up! Check it out here: mr.hicksta's Stage 2 review

:cobra-small: LTDx Black 10.5º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4
:cobra-small: LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4
:ping-small: G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4
:srixon-small: Z785 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4
:cleveland-small: RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50
º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4
:EVNROLL: ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour

:bridgestone-small: Tour B X

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FYI to the forum.  The other stage 2's will come over the next week due to work schedules and Tsauer getting his clubs late.  

Just from chatting with the guys, there is a lot of good info to come. 

:ping-small: G430 Max 10K 

:titelist-small: TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g

:titelist-small: TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og

:titelist-small: TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R

:titelist-small: T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 

:titelist-small: SM10 48F/54M and58K

:ping-small: S159 48S/52S/56W/60B

:scotty-cameron-1: Select 5.5 Flowback 35" 

:titelist-small: ProV1  Play number 12

 

 

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On 6/25/2019 at 11:24 AM, mr.hicksta said:

 

Stage Two - Ping Long Game Gapping/Testing – Official MGS Forum Review by mr.hicksta

Intro

The majority of my time with these long game clubs was spent on the course with the occasional range session to see if the numbers matched what I was seeing on the course. This combination gave me a good feel for how the clubs performed in various situations, which puts me in a position to be able to give you all some solid feedback to look over. My goal while playing was to use all the clubs as much as possible even in some situations where I normally wouldn’t. This includes lots of use off the tee as well as various approach shots sometimes in the spirit of not laying up ;).  

Looks (10 out of 10 points)

I’m a huge fan of the matte black crown and combined with Pings signature turbulators, you have what I believe are some fantastic looking clubs. The G410 line has a bit more color in it as well with the addition of the red, and it really complements the overall look of both the FW, hybrid and crossover. The color scheme is a huge improvement over the G400 line in my opinion.  

G410 3W: Prior to the fitting, this was the club I was most worried about adjusting to because I was not a fan of the G400 fairway woods. They probably performed just fine, but I was so turned off by the look of the club head that I didn’t even have it in my bag a month. That concern no longer exists with the G410 3W! The club head shape is perfect in my opinion and it looks fantastic at address. The matte black crown with the turbulators is a great combo and the use of red for the lettering compliments the overall look nicely. The graphics are subtle and there’s nothing about the look that’s over the top. Overall the design is simple and screams ‘performance’! 

G410 2H and 3H: I was most comfortable with the Ping hybrids having gamed the G400 3H for almost two years and the changes in the G410 are all welcomed. The most noticeable changes are the slight larger turbulators and overall size of the club head. It is still nice and compact and is certainly not one of the chunkier hybrids. It sets up beautifully behind the ball! 

G410 4 Crossover: If I had to describe the look of this club I’d use the word ‘subtle’. As far as driving irons go, it’s quite compact, which I think most would enjoy given some of the criticism I’ve seen about other driving irons. The finish is the traditional brushed satin, with the typical branding you’d find on an iron. Ping can’t get too carried away seeing how there’s not a lot of real estate, and they certainly didn’t here. Simply put, it’s a clean looking club that performs beautifully minus one little thing (keep reading!). 

Sound & Feel (8 out of 10 points)

G410 3W, 2H and 3H: The 3W and hybrids sound fantastic. I’d describe the sound at impact as a crisp, metallic ‘crack’. There are slight differences if you catch the heel or toe, but it’s not a crazy departure from flushing it. As we all know, feel is very subjective, but the G410 fairways and hybrids don’t have any issue in that department. I can clearly tell when I don’t catch it around the center of the face, which is all I care about when it comes to sound and feel.  

G410 4 Crossover: Bottom line up front: this club sounds terrible, especially off the tee. It’s slightly better off turf, but the sound is my single biggest issue with this club. It’s beyond me why Ping didn’t address this as I know the last Crossover sounded terrible, too. I understand that around MGS performance trumps sound and feel, but the sound of this club is borderline obnoxious. Some won’t care, but if you do, then chances are you won’t like the Crossover based on acoustics alone. It is much better in the feel department, and for a driving iron it’s quite forgiving. Mishits aren’t terribly punishing, but there is a distinct difference between flushed shots and misses on the towards the heel or toe.  

Basic Characteristics (18 out of 20 points)

G410 3W and hybrids: Hands down the longest and most forgiving clubs I’ve played in either category. The G410 3W is performing for me like I imagined it would. Easy driver replacement on tight tees, and for longer approach shots on par 5s. It has eliminated my fear of FWs and has just about replaced my hybrid as my go to club off the tee. My comfort level with the hybrids has increased, and they’re my second favorite clubs out of the lot. The hybrids have shined out of the rough and I’ve held several greens when I’ve used them for approach shots. My 2H in particular, played at 18.5, perfectly fits the gap between 3W and 4 Crossover and my confidence with it is sky high. The forgiveness of the hybrids is impressive as well and some of my best shots have been where I missed towards the toe. It’s nice to flush it obviously, but knowing you won’t get hammered for a mishit is one way to increase ones comfort with a club. I’m quite comfortable with the gaps at the top of my bag now and both of these clubs fall within their respective distances lanes and I’m able to work them if necessary. Finally, I’ve only adjusted my 2H, but the 8 possible settings on the FWs and hybrids make them extremely versatile. 

G410 4 Crossover: Admittedly, this is the club I struggle with the most. I have hit some terrific shots with it, but I have also hit some ‘WTF’ shots. Normal for an amateur for sure, and I think a lot of it has to do with my setup. With that said, the well struck shots have been very consistent in terms of accuracy, distance and trajectory. Even though I’ve hit some crap shots with my Crossover, I still find it to be very forgiving. I’ve just had some swings that no amount of forgiveness could save! It is my go to club for most par 3s in the 190 to 210 range, but I haven’t held any greens with it as of yet. 

Here are some numbers from a recent range session that will give you an idea of what kind of distance I'm getting with these clubs. 

G410 3W teed up:

9GxxiFpl.jpg 

G410 3W off the deck:

Y2ewLNCl.jpg

G410 2H off the deck:

hUq02myl.jpg

G410 4 Crossover off the deck:

x63wTfFl.jpg

On-Course Performance (27 out of 30 points)

I’ll preface this section by saying that all poor shots are 100% on me, but it has been years since I’ve had long game clubs that I’ve felt this comfortable with. During my time with the G410 long game offerings, I’ve made every effort to use them in situations I’d normally use FW/hybrid/driving iron as well as situations where I may be in between clubs just to see if I can hit a range of shots. The results have been mostly positive, and highlight the positive attributes I’ve discussed with each of the clubs. Over the last two months I’ve often been left in positions where I can get to a green with a short iron or wedge, so from the long game perspective they’re fantastic. My issue, however, has been with irons/wedges lately so my scoring average has been about the same or slightly higher because of issues not related to these clubs. As far as Ping goes, I think the G410 line builds on the already impressive G400 line and these clubs are a legit upgrade over their predecessors. The feature that stood out most to me is the more streamlined shape of the FWs. They look fantastic and setup WAY better than the G400s. Finally, I know there’s no such thing as a perfect club, but Ping knocked it out of the park with these clubs. Despite my mild criticism of the Crossover, I believe that these clubs can help a wide range of handicaps and they flat out perform!  

Miscellaneous (9 out of 10 points)

The design of the G410 line is what stands out the most to me. It’s not super flashy, and the black and red compliment each other nicely. It’s a clean and efficient look that I’m a huge fan of! The only other knock is the limited number of shafts available, but I’ll admit that’s nitpicking. And I mentioned this in my fitting review, but the turnaround time from the day of my fitting to the clubs arriving was around 5 days. The fitter said it would be fast and he was not joking! Kudos to Ping for getting the clubs built and shipped in such a timely manner! Lastly, I usually only play with a few local friends and all of them have commented on shots I’ve hit with these clubs. So if my thoughts aren’t validation enough, give these a spin and watch the compliments start flying!    

Play it or Trade it? (18 out of 20 points)

The G410 3W, 2H and 4 Crossover are staying in my bag! I’m very comfortable with the gapping, and the sound of the Crossover isn’t justification to let it sit on the sidelines. Bottom line is the top of my bag has never been better from a performance perspective! With the range of the G410 line (standard, SFT, LST) and the ability to adjust the FWs and hybrids to 8 different settings, these clubs can help a wide range of golfers from high handicappers to scratch players.  

Conclusion

The G410 fairway woods, hybrids and crossovers are the REAL DEAL. They straight up perform and you’d be hard pressed to find a more forgiving clubs in each category. The adjustability makes it easy to set your gaps at the top of your bag, and I believe these clubs can help a wide range of players, in a variety of situations. Since putting these clubs in my bag, I have definitely improved off the tee, but unfortunately my irons and wedges have regressed so my index has stayed about the same. I think with more time, that will change and any improvement will be somewhat attributed to these long game clubs. In closing, I'd like to again thank MyGolfSpy and Ping for the opportunity. I truly enjoyed the experience and I'm grateful for the chance to contribute to this fantastic golf community. I hope that readers find all of our reviews helpful, and I'm happy to answer any question you all may have. Thanks for reading!    

Final Score: (90 out of 100 points)

 

Great wrap up Mr.H.  

Glad to hear they won the audition.   Those are some really good numbers with the 3w! 

:ping-small: G430 Max 10K 

:titelist-small: TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g

:titelist-small: TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og

:titelist-small: TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R

:titelist-small: T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 

:titelist-small: SM10 48F/54M and58K

:ping-small: S159 48S/52S/56W/60B

:scotty-cameron-1: Select 5.5 Flowback 35" 

:titelist-small: ProV1  Play number 12

 

 

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My Stage 2 review is up! Check it out here: mr.hicksta's Stage 2 review

Well done Sailor!  Short, on point.  Here's to some improved iron play. 

Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60  Aldila  R flex   - 42.25 inches 

SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft

Ping G410 7, 9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Srixon ZX5 MK II  5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex

India 52,56 (60 pending)  UST recoil 75's R flex  

Evon roll ER 5 32 inches

It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD   

 

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On 6/25/2019 at 11:24 AM, mr.hicksta said:

 

Stage Two - Ping Long Game Gapping/Testing – Official MGS Forum Review by mr.hicksta

Intro

The majority of my time with these long game clubs was spent on the course with the occasional range session to see if the numbers matched what I was seeing on the course. This combination gave me a good feel for how the clubs performed in various situations, which puts me in a position to be able to give you all some solid feedback to look over. My goal while playing was to use all the clubs as much as possible even in some situations where I normally wouldn’t. This includes lots of use off the tee as well as various approach shots sometimes in the spirit of not laying up ;).  

Looks (10 out of 10 points)

I’m a huge fan of the matte black crown and combined with Pings signature turbulators, you have what I believe are some fantastic looking clubs. The G410 line has a bit more color in it as well with the addition of the red, and it really complements the overall look of both the FW, hybrid and crossover. The color scheme is a huge improvement over the G400 line in my opinion.  

G410 3W: Prior to the fitting, this was the club I was most worried about adjusting to because I was not a fan of the G400 fairway woods. They probably performed just fine, but I was so turned off by the look of the club head that I didn’t even have it in my bag a month. That concern no longer exists with the G410 3W! The club head shape is perfect in my opinion and it looks fantastic at address. The matte black crown with the turbulators is a great combo and the use of red for the lettering compliments the overall look nicely. The graphics are subtle and there’s nothing about the look that’s over the top. Overall the design is simple and screams ‘performance’! 

G410 2H and 3H: I was most comfortable with the Ping hybrids having gamed the G400 3H for almost two years and the changes in the G410 are all welcomed. The most noticeable changes are the slight larger turbulators and overall size of the club head. It is still nice and compact and is certainly not one of the chunkier hybrids. It sets up beautifully behind the ball! 

G410 4 Crossover: If I had to describe the look of this club I’d use the word ‘subtle’. As far as driving irons go, it’s quite compact, which I think most would enjoy given some of the criticism I’ve seen about other driving irons. The finish is the traditional brushed satin, with the typical branding you’d find on an iron. Ping can’t get too carried away seeing how there’s not a lot of real estate, and they certainly didn’t here. Simply put, it’s a clean looking club that performs beautifully minus one little thing (keep reading!). 

Sound & Feel (8 out of 10 points)

G410 3W, 2H and 3H: The 3W and hybrids sound fantastic. I’d describe the sound at impact as a crisp, metallic ‘crack’. There are slight differences if you catch the heel or toe, but it’s not a crazy departure from flushing it. As we all know, feel is very subjective, but the G410 fairways and hybrids don’t have any issue in that department. I can clearly tell when I don’t catch it around the center of the face, which is all I care about when it comes to sound and feel.  

G410 4 Crossover: Bottom line up front: this club sounds terrible, especially off the tee. It’s slightly better off turf, but the sound is my single biggest issue with this club. It’s beyond me why Ping didn’t address this as I know the last Crossover sounded terrible, too. I understand that around MGS performance trumps sound and feel, but the sound of this club is borderline obnoxious. Some won’t care, but if you do, then chances are you won’t like the Crossover based on acoustics alone. It is much better in the feel department, and for a driving iron it’s quite forgiving. Mishits aren’t terribly punishing, but there is a distinct difference between flushed shots and misses on the towards the heel or toe.  

Basic Characteristics (18 out of 20 points)

G410 3W and hybrids: Hands down the longest and most forgiving clubs I’ve played in either category. The G410 3W is performing for me like I imagined it would. Easy driver replacement on tight tees, and for longer approach shots on par 5s. It has eliminated my fear of FWs and has just about replaced my hybrid as my go to club off the tee. My comfort level with the hybrids has increased, and they’re my second favorite clubs out of the lot. The hybrids have shined out of the rough and I’ve held several greens when I’ve used them for approach shots. My 2H in particular, played at 18.5, perfectly fits the gap between 3W and 4 Crossover and my confidence with it is sky high. The forgiveness of the hybrids is impressive as well and some of my best shots have been where I missed towards the toe. It’s nice to flush it obviously, but knowing you won’t get hammered for a mishit is one way to increase ones comfort with a club. I’m quite comfortable with the gaps at the top of my bag now and both of these clubs fall within their respective distances lanes and I’m able to work them if necessary. Finally, I’ve only adjusted my 2H, but the 8 possible settings on the FWs and hybrids make them extremely versatile. 

G410 4 Crossover: Admittedly, this is the club I struggle with the most. I have hit some terrific shots with it, but I have also hit some ‘WTF’ shots. Normal for an amateur for sure, and I think a lot of it has to do with my setup. With that said, the well struck shots have been very consistent in terms of accuracy, distance and trajectory. Even though I’ve hit some crap shots with my Crossover, I still find it to be very forgiving. I’ve just had some swings that no amount of forgiveness could save! It is my go to club for most par 3s in the 190 to 210 range, but I haven’t held any greens with it as of yet. 

Here are some numbers from a recent range session that will give you an idea of what kind of distance I'm getting with these clubs. 

G410 3W teed up:

9GxxiFpl.jpg 

G410 3W off the deck:

Y2ewLNCl.jpg

G410 2H off the deck:

hUq02myl.jpg

G410 4 Crossover off the deck:

x63wTfFl.jpg

On-Course Performance (27 out of 30 points)

I’ll preface this section by saying that all poor shots are 100% on me, but it has been years since I’ve had long game clubs that I’ve felt this comfortable with. During my time with the G410 long game offerings, I’ve made every effort to use them in situations I’d normally use FW/hybrid/driving iron as well as situations where I may be in between clubs just to see if I can hit a range of shots. The results have been mostly positive, and highlight the positive attributes I’ve discussed with each of the clubs. Over the last two months I’ve often been left in positions where I can get to a green with a short iron or wedge, so from the long game perspective they’re fantastic. My issue, however, has been with irons/wedges lately so my scoring average has been about the same or slightly higher because of issues not related to these clubs. As far as Ping goes, I think the G410 line builds on the already impressive G400 line and these clubs are a legit upgrade over their predecessors. The feature that stood out most to me is the more streamlined shape of the FWs. They look fantastic and setup WAY better than the G400s. Finally, I know there’s no such thing as a perfect club, but Ping knocked it out of the park with these clubs. Despite my mild criticism of the Crossover, I believe that these clubs can help a wide range of handicaps and they flat out perform!  

Miscellaneous (9 out of 10 points)

The design of the G410 line is what stands out the most to me. It’s not super flashy, and the black and red compliment each other nicely. It’s a clean and efficient look that I’m a huge fan of! The only other knock is the limited number of shafts available, but I’ll admit that’s nitpicking. And I mentioned this in my fitting review, but the turnaround time from the day of my fitting to the clubs arriving was around 5 days. The fitter said it would be fast and he was not joking! Kudos to Ping for getting the clubs built and shipped in such a timely manner! Lastly, I usually only play with a few local friends and all of them have commented on shots I’ve hit with these clubs. So if my thoughts aren’t validation enough, give these a spin and watch the compliments start flying!    

Play it or Trade it? (18 out of 20 points)

The G410 3W, 2H and 4 Crossover are staying in my bag! I’m very comfortable with the gapping, and the sound of the Crossover isn’t justification to let it sit on the sidelines. Bottom line is the top of my bag has never been better from a performance perspective! With the range of the G410 line (standard, SFT, LST) and the ability to adjust the FWs and hybrids to 8 different settings, these clubs can help a wide range of golfers from high handicappers to scratch players.  

Conclusion

The G410 fairway woods, hybrids and crossovers are the REAL DEAL. They straight up perform and you’d be hard pressed to find a more forgiving clubs in each category. The adjustability makes it easy to set your gaps at the top of your bag, and I believe these clubs can help a wide range of players, in a variety of situations. Since putting these clubs in my bag, I have definitely improved off the tee, but unfortunately my irons and wedges have regressed so my index has stayed about the same. I think with more time, that will change and any improvement will be somewhat attributed to these long game clubs. In closing, I'd like to again thank MyGolfSpy and Ping for the opportunity. I truly enjoyed the experience and I'm grateful for the chance to contribute to this fantastic golf community. I hope that readers find all of our reviews helpful, and I'm happy to answer any question you all may have. Thanks for reading!    

Final Score: (90 out of 100 points)

 

Excellent write-up @mr.hicksta! I'm glad to hear that the long game fitting has been a success for you. Those clubs are beauties, for sure! The photos you took during your stage 1 were awesome! 

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