Popular Post Golfspy_CG2 Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 This is a process that started back in January at the PGA Show when I had a conversation with the people at PING about the testings for this year. Both of us wanted to do something new and different, and after coming up with an idea and ironing the details, a testing unlike any we've done before was born. We talk often on this site saying "Go Get Fit" and PING has a phrase you hear constantly among it's staff #FittingMatters And one of the areas that we felt fitting was overlooked was in the long game, fairway woods and hybrids. So I went out to PING HQ in Phoenix, and was fit by one of their master fitters. PING then graciously arranged for the four testers who were selected, to be fit by either the area field rep for PING or in the case of two of them, two top 100 PING Fitters. So this review thread will be a bit different as it will have a third stage--the fitting process--which will be talked about at the same time as Stage 1 is posted. As a staff tester, I will post one stage, that is hopefully not TLDR...but make no promise Each person was fit to what fit their personal gaps between driver and the last iron. So each of us came up with a different combo to test. I think you will find the results very interesting and in some cases eye opening. One final note. Due to the horrific weather and deadly floods/tornado's that hit MO last month, TSauer's fitting was delayed quite a bit from the others. Fortunately he and everyone involved are safe and sound, but it just took a while for them to all work through the timing. So his stage's may be a bit behind the others, but he has an awesome setup to review, and I'm looking forward to reading all these, knowing how my setup has helped my game already. @revkev Stage 1 Fitting Stage 2 @mr.hicksta Stage 1 Fitting Stage 2 @TSauer Stage 1 Fitting Stage 2 @PAgolfer2017 Stage 1 Fitting Stage 2 @Golfspy_CG2 Combined Review Thin2win, Nunfa0, JohnSmalls and 10 others 13 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Golfspy_CG2 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 A Challenge Laid Down So my fitting was a bit different than the rest of the groups. It was an actual full bag fitting. I made arrangements with PING to travel to their HQ and get fit for 14 PING Clubs. This was part of a challenge I took on from something Adam tweeted over the early spring. He said if you are playing 14 clubs all from the same OEM, then you most likely aren’t playing the 14 clubs best for your game. That is paraphrasing it a bit. But his message was that there would be at least one segment in your bag where you’d be not playing the equipment best for your game. I thought about this, as last year I mentioned to a few people that I almost went with a full PING bag as I felt they had one of the strongest lineups top to bottom. Then after reading Adam’s tweet, Challenge accepted. I told him what I had planned and he was all for it and said good luck. My Bag Prior to Fitting So here’s what I had in play prior to going to PING. Driver: PING G410 (I had ordered right after hitting it at the PGA Show) FW: Titleist 917 F2 18 degree, had been my money club from about 180 to 190 for almost two years. Hybrid: Titleist 816 H 19/23 degree-Same as the 917 but even a year longer. Irons: Rotated between Bridgestone JGR HF2 with Recoil shafts, and Srixon 585’s with Nippon Modus 105. Wedges: Vokey SM7 50/54/58 Putter Scotty Cameron X7M 35” in the bag for 3 years. Who is GolfSpy_CG2 So since I didn’t do a full stage 1 and for the benefit of the newer members, a few quick notes about me. · I’ve been a member here for 3 years, came onto the staff at the beginning of 2018 as a forum moderator along with GolfSpy_Studque · In December of 2018 Stud and I became Co-Forum Directors, both having total responsibility for the running of the forum. · My day job is Tournament Sales Director for a 36 hole municipal course in the Baltimore MD area. · It’s well documented on here, that I’m one of the biggest club ho’s on the site. Clubs sometimes don’t last in my bag before the box has found its way to the recycling bin · I rotate between going through irons faster than dog with a handout from the dinner table, to the ever elusive search for the magical driver. It’s fun I enjoy it and I was featured on a TXG fitting video last June with Ian Frasier where we talked and laughed about this. · I just turned 60 and play to a current handicap of ------- You’ll have to read that later as its part of this testing. · I’ve lost all the length in my game due age and some arthritis settling in from an accident a few years back. I hit it about 205 on average to 230 on a good drive. · My 7 iron is my 135 club. My Fitting Experience So with all that said, let’s get to the fitting. As I mentioned my fitting was a full bag and it started with the putter. I was lead into the PING putting lab where there was an elevated putting green which looked to be about 50 or 60 feet long and had cameras above, behind and to the side of it. I met Jeff my fitter and he had me get comfortable and take a few practice strokes with my putter toward a plate about 15 feet away. Once I felt comfortable he put the cameras on along with the PING putting analyzer. Putting is by far and away the strength of my game. I’ve just always had a very natural feel for it, and have tried several different styles to see what fit my eye before landing on this No. 7 style. I played it in my previous putter as well, a Odyssey Versa No. 7. It just sets up very well for me. Jeff said I did real well with that style, and was putting at the level of a +2 handicap. This was nice to hear but not surprising as I had won a putting contest a month earlier against a bunch of PGA Professionals at a Callaway event. He confirmed I had the right style putter with a bit of toe hang for my arc which was solidly on the line of slight to strong arc. He immediately put me in the PING Tyne 4, which pleased me as it’s one I had messed around with at the PGA Show and liked it very much. My results were almost exactly the same. The only thing he felt needed changing was to add 1* of loft as I had a slight forward tilt in my address position which took a bit of loft off. So putter was all settled in very short order. I then met James Lee one of the Master Fitters who has been at PING for almost 12 years I think he said. He has fit Pro’s to 36 handicaps, so he said not to worry, I would certainly fall somewhere in between. I grabbed a couple bottles of water and we headed out to the immaculate driving range. The same ones the PING pros use when they are being fit. I heard the infamous story of the fence at the end of the range which is a 320 yard carry, that it had to be raised another 30 feet because Bubba Watson would often fly the fence and hit into a city bus/police parking lot across the street. You hear how far those guys hit the ball, but to see something like that and imagine a drive flying into it, is something else. They joked they may need to raise again now that they have Cameron Champ coming in regularly. The fitting began with me hitting driver to get my distance on that, and it was about 205 to 210 on average. Next up was hitting the G410 6 and 7 irons. I hit the 6 iron about 145 on average, but was inconsistent with it, The 7 was pretty much spot on 135 to 138 each swing, so James determined that is where my irons would end. We went back to the top to find a club that would fit each distance starting at 190 to 195 and working down. He was pretty much able to lock In on the next distance for me with just one or sometimes two tries with a club. So I pretty quick order we wounded out the bag with the following. 190 to 195 yards-G410 SFT 3 wood at 17 degrees 180 to 185 yards-G410 SFT 7 wood 22 degrees 165 to 175 yards-G410 9 wood 23.5 degrees turned up 1 degree 155 to 160 yards –G410 5 hybrid 26 degrees 145 to 150 yards –G410 6 hybrid 30 degree G410 7-PW Glide 2.0 Stealth 50/54/58 Sigma 2 Tyne 4 35” So that conclude a good half day fitting at PING and to top it off as I was sitting in a little viewing areas where people can watch the range having a cold beverage to cool off, who happens to walk by and say hello and introduce himself….Mr. John A Solheim, the as if he needed introducing. For the non PING devotee’s John A is the son of Karsten Solheim who founded the company. He is currently the Chairman and CEO, and his son John K. Solheim is the President and runs most of the day to day operations. He sat down and I was treated to a nice 20 minute casual conversation about some of the early days and he asked how my fitting went. Such an unexpected treat. Having just exceed 1300 words, I’ll stop here for now, and come back later with details on how the clubs are playing. hartrick11, PAgolfer2017, golfertrb and 16 others 19 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post revkev Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ping Long Game Gapping Testing/Review – Stage 1 By Kevin Loughran (RevKev) While I’m fairly well known to MGS forum members I realize that MGS member tests draw lots of outside readers, too. Welcome! We hope you appreciate these reviews and that you will stick around and become active participants at My Golf Spy both on the blog and in the forums. As for me, I am what my screen name says, a 62 year old Lutheran Minister serving as the Senior Pastor of a Church and School in St. Petersburg, FL. I’ve played golf since I was ten, becoming proficient as a young adult. Since that time I have consistently maintained a single digit handicap getting down as low as a 1 in my early to mid 50’s. Like many people I started losing distance at that time as a growing belly and aging joints kicked in. In fact when I was fit for driver a little over a year and a half ago my average SS clocked in at 84.5 down from a very consistent 93-95 throughout my 50’s. So I began a fitness program, dropped 45 lbs. and also was selected as a tester (I suppose I still am) for the SuperSpeed Golf speed training system through MGS. My average driver SS on the day that I took part in the club gapping process under review here was just a notch under 95. Quite a difference in just over a year. #Fitting matters! That has become a buzz phrase from Ping. Any of us who follow social media have seen the videos that document the different Ping equipment offerings in each category and how they might be used to fit a wide variety of players' needs. Throughout my time as an avid golfer I have always prided myself on being ahead of the curve in regards to equipment. While others wanted the shiniest blades in their bag, I was gaming Ping Eye 2’s. I was the first one at my club to bag three wedges, shifted from 3 wood to Adams Tight Lies, took out 2 iron, put in 5 wood, 3 iron, 7 wood and so on and so forth. Hybrids instead of long irons? Bring them on!!!! Oh yeah and always got fit, everything in my bag heading into this test, the G400 LST, Ping 30 irons, SCOR wedges and EVNRoll putter was custom fit except the three clubs from my longest iron, 6, to driver. “Surely I could handle that part of my bag myself and save a few bucks,” I thought, “after all these aren’t scoring clubs any way.” And that is Ping’s point. That this part of the bag is often overlooked and that for many golfers these are scoring clubs. Lacking the distance of a touring pro we need these clubs for shots between 150 and 200 yards and there is no reason for us to miss every green from those distances. So off I went to be fit. The deal for this test is that we must accept and game whatever our Ping fitter gave us, no substitutions. I went into my fitting, a pretty knowledgeable guy, in regards to the process. Also I had just come off of playing my best round in years, a one under par 70. During that round I had hit several good shots with the clubs that we would be replacing. None of the birdies that I made came because of them but I didn’t shoot myself in the foot with them either so they must have done their job, right? Well not exactly. I knew that I had a gapping issue between 6 iron and 5 hybrid and then between 5 hybrid and 4 hybrid. But it turns out the issue was one of trajectory more than actual gapping – I could get the total distance gaps right from 7 iron, 6 iron, 5 hybrid and 4 hybrid but only because the ground was firm in Florida from March to late May when I went for my test. In regards to carry there was only a 5 yard difference between 7 iron and 5 hybrid, 10 yards when 4 hybrid was added in - sure I was hitting it 190 then, but once the rain came? Not a chance. I was going to have a big problem with that part of my bag as soon as the rainy season began which it did a couple of weeks ago. The recommended replacement clubs were 5 wood, 7 wood and 9 wood with hybrid as an option to replace the 6 iron. (The fitter could take an iron out of our bag if he felt we were gaming one that was too long or he could put an iron in if that was his recommendation.) In my case he said it was a push at 6 iron so I could go either way if I really wanted a hybrid in the bag. As you can see all of my clubs arrived in short order. We were delayed because one of our testers lives in the part of the country impacted by flooding this spring. I’m extremely thankful that he and his family are okay and certainly hope that everyone reading this made it through that difficult time unscathed. For now it’s off to the range and the course to put these babies to the test. For more about the fitting process please go ahead and check that out below. You'll also see my new Ping woods unmasked there! Since I had gained so much club head speed my fitter was kind enough to check me out through the bag (minus putter.) Thanks to Ping and My Golf Spy for this great opportunity and thank you for reading. I will look forward to checking back with my results in a few months when stage 2 goes up. If there are any questions that you would like to ask or something in particular that you want me to test please feel free to ask. And away we go….. sirchunksalot, russtopherb, PING Apologist #9 and 17 others 20 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post revkev Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 From the second that I saw the announcement, “Ping Long Game Gapping Testing/Review”, I knew that this was not an ordinary opportunity. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve enjoyed and appreciated every testing opportunity that I’ve been a part of through MGS. But this one? A Ping specialist sent just to fit me with properly gapped clubs between my longest iron and my Driver? How could I lose! Because of the additional step of the gapping test and the need to have it done by either a Ping area rep or certified fitter there was a lag in time between our selection and the actual fittings. In the long run that wait will prove valuable as it allowed me to compile stats from my old set up through my shot scope system. IMO comparing those stats, average yardage with each club as well as proximity to the hole or success rate when laying up will be the best possible comparison as to this test’s success. In the past I’ve generally used trackman sessions for such things but hitting balls into a net on trackman does not a golf score make. Hitting a 9 wood from 172 over a trap from the left side of the fairway on an approach or threading a five wood lay up between two fairway bunkers on 17 to set up a short pitch into the green with a match on the line, that’s what we are really testing here. It’s more than raw numbers for certain! After some back and forth my Ping fitter, Steve Bersch, arranged to drive over from Orlando, FL and meet me at 10 AM on the Tuesday after Memorial Day at Clearwater Country Club in Clearwater, FL about half an hour from my house (nearly two hours from his). Don’t let the name fool you. Clearwater CC is an old school family owned property originally designed in 1920 by Herbert Strong. It is open to the public and it’s most famous “member” is John Daly who regularly plays in the Friday skins game held there each week at noon. It was a very comfortable place to go for the fitting. Rather than the range which was being sodded, they had Steve take me to a par 3 fairway and hit over a grove of small trees onto the range. They also supplied us with nice clean (but slightly experienced) Pro VI’s and Pro VI x’s for test. Steve explained that Trackman has a feature that converts range ball flights to premium balls but he believed that the sound and feel of a similar premium ball to the one that I regularly use (Pro VIx) would yield the best possible results for accurate long game gapping. I mentioned in my Stage 1 review that I was coming off of a subpar round just two days prior to the fitting. After stretching and hitting a few balls it was easy enough to tell that I still had that swing (it’s deserted me again at the moment BTW). The first thing we did once I was warmed up was determine what my longest iron should be. Steve also agreed to make recommendations on irons and Driver for me if he felt a change were in order there. I hit 3 8 irons, 3 7 irons and 3 6 irons. He then had me alternate between 8 and 6 for a few shots and then hit my 5 hybrid. At this point he paused and said that 6 iron was the point where I started to lose trajectory. My distance gap was right between 7 and 6, low 140’s carry/152 total to 164 total for the 6 but my carry distance with the 6 was inconsistent and only one of the balls reached 80 feet high – the average height of my 7 and 8 irons. My 5 hybrid was even lower still and there was very little gap between it and 6 iron, 4 hybrid was a little better but out of kilter long because of lack of spin and ball flight. I went from 168 average total with 5 hybrid to 188 with 4 hybrid, something that I have been acutely aware of when playing. Armed with that data and having already noted my shallow AoA coupled with my average swing speed, (81 MPH with 6 iron) Steve handed me a 9 wood to test as a substitute for my 5 hybrid - bang, zoom, problem solved there, 2 balls that flew 80 feet high and carried 168 yards, 175 with the run out. 7 wood quickly followed with the same result approximately 12 yards farther. We then tried 6 hybrid to replace the 6 iron but there was not really much difference between the 2. I ended up with the hybrid anyway but that will be a battle to see which club wins out. I seem to hit the 6 iron pretty well on the course for real to be honest and the shot scope data bears me out. The last part of the Ping gapping test was to determine what wood would be my longest club before driver. I hit my current 3 wood very well off the tee and almost passably off the turf. But in the test with trees to carry it was easy to see that I didn’t hit it high enough. The trees really helped the testing process as I knew that there was an issue if I failed to carry them with a club. We tried a Ping G410 3 wood turned up first but the best I could muster there was 184 yards of carry and a 40 foot apex – it ran out pretty well but that’s not what we were looking for. So out came the 5 wood which I hit great. Apex of 75 feet, carry right around 190, run out to 205 plus. As long as we waited for the fitting the clubs arrived in a just a few days, exactly a week after the test in fact. Below are comparisons between what I had and what I was fit for. The G410 5 wood with an R flex Alta CB 65 red shaft (on all three woods) set to neutral (on all three woods) - this club replaces my 3 wood. The 7 wood replaces my 4 hybrid The 9 wood replaces my 5 hybrid. Please note that the lofts are extremely strong on these clubs 17.5,20.5 and 23.5 respectively. I got to the range two days later and have been working at it with each ever since even playing three nines and a full 18 yesterday with them in the bag. I'm now beginning to gather the data that will form the basis of my stage 2 review. I noted the strength of those lofts to one of the pros at my club. He was watching me hit 7 wood and couldn't believe how far I was hitting it. I touched 200 with it a couple of times in that session. Below is a reading from my voice caddy device for the 5 wood off the turf during a recent range session. I have a couple of 220 yard plus positional tee shots already with that club already according to my Shot Scope app. In closing, I would like to extend special thanks again not only to Ping and MGS for picking me but to my fitter Steve for taking time out of his week to drive over and fit me as well as Clearwater Country Club for allowing us to use their facility. I should note that Steve recommended that I keep my irons and current wedges. He did however claim that he could get me some yardage with a radical driver set up. I ordered the driver from Clearwater as a thank you for their hospitality – it was a full ten yards longer than mine and far straighter. I've tag along with the Ping G410 driver group to make comments on that club so head there if you want to read about that set up, it's as wild as the 9 wood! The questions have been great so far. Please don’t hesitate to ask if you have any others about the fitting, the gapping or the clubs. We will have great data to share from Shot Scope once its time for the Stage 2’s to hit. Until then its fairways and greens to all of you! sirchunksalot, Golfspy_CG2, THEZIPR23 and 16 others 19 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ping Long Game Gapping Review Stage 2 By: Kevin Loughran (RevKev) Introduction As I closed out my Stage One review I stated that my primary criteria for this test was going to be the data and most specifically on course live round data that compares gapping and proximity to the hole from my Shot Scope system between the 3 wood, 4 hybrid and 5 hybrid that my expert Ping fitter replaced with the Ping G410 5 wood, 7 wood and 9 wood back at the start of this review period in late May. As a reminder each one of these fairway woods came with stock graphite regular shafts and they were each set at neutral. It should be noted that the fitter was going for certain launch and maximum height numbers, once those were obtained we didn’t push farther. As a bonus he did the same with driver and there we ended up with a non-stock shaft, 12 degree loft, down one degree and the weight shifted to fade. I included that last fact to demonstrate that he took the fitting seriously, the neural settings were not the easy way out, they were the best fit for my game. This test was not without its difficulties. Course conditions change dramatically in Florida from May when we started, to August as I’m writing. While they improve up North, they tend to deteriorate here. Courses are wet making it difficult to mow. Ranges were often closed particularly recently and several rounds or practice sessions were rained out. Rough goes from almost non-existent to long and snarly and two of the coursew that I regularly play have aerated their greens twice during this time period. (Of course that had little impact on the test but it speaks to the changes in course conditions that I have experienced throughout this test.) A special thank you to my home course the Bayou Club for allowing me to use their range and at times course to prepare for the main portions of this test. They even allowed me to bring my daughter Penelope out on the course where she watched as I hit a number of 170 yard 9 woods to the green on the par 3 third hole. Preparing for the main part of the test I wore the range out hitting my woods from a variety of lies. Looks By now you’ve seen plenty of pictures of these clubs. They look just fine to my eye, classic for a metal wood, although I must say that the 9 and 7 wood have a larger head than the hybrids they replaced or would replace for most golfers. That does take some getting used to and many of my playing companions have noticed the size of the heads. On a positive note, the dark color is particularly useful in killing the glare from the Florida sun. I will take one off for the larger head and give them a 9 out of 10 for looks. Sound and Feel Neither of these are areas of great concern for me although I know they are for many golfers. While much has been made out of the sound of the G410 driver line the same may not be said of the fairways. They are muted and certainly there is enough feedback to know where the ball was struck on the club face although there could be a tad more IMO. Again I will give them a 9/10. Basic Considerations I found it easy to learn how to hit these clubs. In fact I had them in the bag for the second nine of a league round the day they arrived. Like most leagues we play nine holes that count but many of us go on to play the next nine. I had little trouble hitting the 7 and 9 wood although it took me a while to warm up to the 5 particularly off the tee (if I have even warmed to it as yet.) After that round I spent a good deal of time working with these on the range for the next few weeks. I wanted to see how the 9 wood compared to the 6 iron (my longest iron) for distance on the range and a couple of practice rounds at the local par 3 course where I hit multiple shots on some of the longer holes. Those three balls were hit with 7 wood, 9 wood and 6 iron from 183, 168 and 162 respectively. The 9 wood is the deeper ball almost blending in on the back fringe. Given those yardages it should be. Honestly it looked good in the air and you will see below that the gapping has been pretty well spaced between 6 iron, 9 wood, 7 wood and 5 wood through the 8 rounds of play that I used for this test. Far better than with the clubs that I had in the bag prior beyond a doubt. I also quickly saw that the 9 wood and 7 wood work well out of the rough so long as I don’t ask them to do too much and they are money out of fairway traps as their leading edge glides rather than digging and they launch high. I’m giving them a solid 18/20 here. On the Course This is really what the test was all about. I should note that each of the 18’s that I played with these clubs saw scores in the 70’s and that my handicap index has dropped during the summer from 6.0 to 4.3. But to be fair I’ve also picked up some yardage this year over the past three or four through another MGS test (see the SuperSpeed thread) and my fitness is greatly improved. Still a look at the chart below shows that the clubs are performing as advertised. At 8 rounds the 9 wood number is being skewed by a shot that went over 200 yards. I thought the wind was into across right to left. When we got to the green it was clearly down and right to left. I flew the green with that one and went down a steep bank over the back. As I noted earlier, these woods launch high but I have also been able to flight them lower when needed, even the 9 wood. Notice too on the chart below the performance averages for the 3 wood, H22 and H25 that I used to have in my bag. The 5w, 7w, 9w replaced those three clubs. The data for the H22 is being skewed because I was new to the Shot Scope system with it and hit a couple of punch outs that I didn't mark as positional shots. Regardless the gapping there was very poor and would have gotten worse once I started playing in wet conditions with those clubs. I essentially carry 6 iron, 5 hybrid and 4 hybrid the same distance just with differing ball flights. The superiority of my fitter's recommendation to what I was using is easy to see by this chart. It is also apparent in the proximity to the pin and average strokes taken with each club from start to finish on the shots that they were used even though that data is not provided here. Here's the skewed 9 w, I'm proud of the scrambling par off that one: The two little woods are particularly helpful on any number of par threes that I play requiring high soft shots over hazards from 170 to 190. Also wetter conditions have led to longer shots into many of the greens bringing these clubs frequently into play on par 4's or for position on par 5's. Where as I would have to play safe by shooting at the corner of the green with hybrid before I can now go for the middle of the green or even the pin. They have actually made the 16th hole at my club, 168 to 180 all carry to a two tiered green over a Bayou, a fun and almost automatic shot. My one complaint is that I have yet to find consistency with the 5 wood off the tee. Since it is my longest fairway wood and a needed resource off the tee on short par 4’s I’ve got a gap or issue there between it and driver. I will write a bit more about that in the Play or Trade section. After two months I’ve decided to put my 3 wood back in for those shots, keep the 5 wood for use from the fairway, I’m far more consistent than 3 wood there. I will reduce the number of wedges that I carry by putting in a 58 in place of my beloved 60. The jury is out on that move for certain but in wet conditions I can get away with the 58 around the green. On course performance - 27/30 Miscellaneous This one is a no brainer. The clubs and the story behind them are fun. I’ve told anyone who would listen about this test and they are particularly interested when they see how good I am with the 9 and 7 woods. I recently won a closest to the pin and skin with a 7 wood from 178 into the wind in league good for $122. Everyone wanted to know what I hit there. To put it into perspective the better player in league all hit 4 iron or hybrid with no one getting anywhere near where I ended up. The pin was tight to the left side over a bunker. I would have had to bail out to a safe spot with 4 hybrid, instead I had some mad money in my pocket. Miscellaneous 10/10 Play or Trade For now these three clubs are in my bag. I’m playing good golf with them in although I’ve also had to add the 3 wood back for use on several short par 4’s. I will have to see what this means for my wedge game as the 56 and 60 have come out in favor of a 58. Time will tell there. Certainly the 7 and 9 woods are in to stay. Beyond a doubt the two replaced hybrids are gone. I thought I was getting more out of them than I was. The data revealed that this was not the case. Play or Trade 17/20 Total Score: 90 Conclusion Thanks again to MGS and Ping for what has been a great testing opportunity. As is often the case with fittings and especially with expert ones I’ve learned a lot more about my game so thank you one more time, Steve, for a fun and informative morning. As you’re reading this it’s important to remember that my driver SS is average LPGA (92-95) and that I’m an older single digit player who does best when not going after the ball too hard. My results and yours may and probably will differ. The point is the fitting worked and my long game gapping has improved as advertised. Regardless of what type of player you are you may be able to shave a few strokes yourself by paying more attention to the long game gapping of your set, those clubs between the longest iron and driver. Between its G410 Fairways, Hybrids and Crossover Irons, Ping has a quality offering for every player type in that part of the set. But also every change that you make at one end of your bag has implications for your entire set. You get fourteen clubs in the bag, each one should be there for a purpose that suits your game and the course conditions that you face. This may lead some players to own 15, 16 or even 17 inter-changeable clubs that get switched out depending upon the time of year or course that is being played that day. Thanks for reading, good luck and lots of fun on the course always! THEZIPR23, sirchunksalot, golfertrb and 3 others 6 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mr.hicksta Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ping Long Game/Gap Testing - Stage 1 Hey MGS! I’m Josh, aka mr.hicksta, and like many others around here, I’m a golf junkie! I’m an active duty Navy officer and I have been playing golf for the 19+ years I’ve been serving. I'm extremely grateful to MGS and Ping for the opportunity to test some fantastic clubs and I'm excited to share the experience with the forum! Since fall of 2015 I have been able to practice and play consistently and my overall game is the best it has ever been as a result. Now it is certainly not perfect, but I feel like it is pretty well rounded given the amount of time I put into improving. On the course, I like to keep things light and try not to take this game so seriously despite my sometimes gruff exterior. I get hard on myself from time to time, but I aim to be a person that others would like to play with regularly and I feel like I’ve done a good job of that. As for this crazy game, I love it because it mirrors life in a lot of ways. I like to say you could play the same course for 10 days straight and it would be different every time! With my current setup I’ve tinkered with the driver and putter, but nothing else has changed. The FW spot is easily the most fluid spot in my bag and has been a source of frustration for years. My hybrid has been one of my most consistent clubs and my 4i is spotty. To give readers a better idea of my gapping at the top of my bag, check out the spreadsheet below that is from my ‘Golf Equipment’ tracker (#golfnerdalert). Club Loft Length Lie Offset Shaft Weight SW Torque Shaft Distances Cobra F9 Speedback 9º 45" 57.5º 70g D0 3.6 ACCRA TZ5 65 M4 250-290 Ping G410 3W 14.5º 43" 56.5º 76g D2 4 Tensei CK Blue 70 S 230-250 Ping G410 2H 18.5º 40.75" 57º 79g D2 3.1 Tensei CK Pro Blue 80 S 210-230 Ping G410 4 Crossover 23º 39.25" 59.9º 0.18 79g D2 3.1 Tensei CK Pro Blue 80 S 200-220 Epon AF-505 5i 25º 38" 61º 3.4 124g D3 1.5 Modus³ Tour130 S 190-200 Based on overall looks and the performance I’ve seen so far, I am a fan of the G410 lineup! Below are the blurbs directly from Ping on what each club brings to the table. Buzzwords and tech jargon aside, I can confirm that these faces are HOT, I’m finding all of them to be quite forgiving and I’m seeing distances I was not seeing with my old clubs. My current handicap is 11.5, trending to 11.3. I truly believe if my long game was more consistent I would easily be in the single digits, and I mention this because long term I’m hoping these clubs help me do just that! I’m not a high speed player, but I have an aggressive tempo (meathead issues). This video is my driver swing face on, which should give you an idea of how I move the ball around the course. With that beautiful swing, my typical ball flight is mid to high and my miss lately has been a nasty snap hook. I’d say my current strengths are above average distance off the tee, decent iron player and good putting. My weaknesses are inconsistency off the tee, and the constant struggle to avoid letting old swing habits creep in. As for my typical use of my long game clubs, I regularly use my FW and hybrid off the tee especially if it’s a tight fairway. For longer approaches, I gravitate to my hybrid even if it means I’ll be coming up short as it’s a club I’m very comfortable with. G410 FW: “Powered by a forged, maraging steel face, the G410 fairway woods are engineered to launch the ball easily and deliver faster ball speeds on a penetrating trajectory that maximizes distance. A shallower face and efficient CG placement elevate MOI for tighter dispersion.” My take - This FW is a forgiving distance machine! G410 Hybrid: “Our first-ever adjustable hybrid allows you to customize your ball flight eight different ways through more loft (+- 1.5˚) and lie combinations for consistently better results. Thinner and more flexible, the maraging-steel face generates faster ball speeds and higher launch so you carry trouble while hitting (and holding) more greens. A larger profile provides added stability and helps elevate MOI heel to toe.” My take - Added adjustability in an already pleasing shape makes this one of the most versatile hybrids available. G410 Crossover: “With a heavier tungsten toe weight for added forgiveness, a maraging-steel face for faster ball speed and max shot height, and a more compact and stable head, PING’s third Crossover family combines the precision and control of an iron with the speed and forgiveness of a hybrid.” My take - This club is forgiving, unlike most long irons! Oh and did I mention the face is hot? More on that later! And finally, here are some pics of these beautiful clubs courtesy of my talented wife! So what’s next? Between now and Stage 2, I plan on getting more time with my new long game setup, focusing on how they help my long game. I will also be posting about the fitting experience to include what all was discussed, how we determined this setup was right for me and more! Additionally, I’ll be getting some Trackman time and will post those results to give readers more detail on how the G410 FW/hybrid/Crossover line performs. Finally, and most importantly, I will be working to determine whether or not the G410 clubs will be in my bag long term. They’re in there without competition right now, but we’ll see what the numbers and on course performance have to say about that! PING Apologist #9, cnosil, russtopherb and 22 others 24 1 Quote LTDx Black 10.5º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Z785 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Tour B X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mr.hicksta Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ping Long Game/Gap Testing - Fitting Once I received my local Ping reps info, I shot him a text and we quickly settled on a fitting time and location the Friday before Memorial Day. The fitting took place at Kaneohe Klipper Golf Course on the windward side of the island, and it turned out to be an absolutely beautiful day for some golf. Here a pic of what some of that drive looks like! That side of the island gets a bit windy, so of course I was hitting limited flight range balls directly into about a 15 mph headwind, but it’s a good looking range as you can see here. I arrived around 1145ish, warmed up and we got down to business. Joey (the Ping rep) watched me hit shots for a bit and then took at look at what I had in my bag. He didn’t ask a lot of questions when he saw my setup, but I think seeing my setup combined with seeing me swing helped him establish a baseline of sorts. We talked about what the fitting was focused on and then we got going! Seeing how we had to go with the fitters recommendation regardless of any previous fitting data we had, I figured the process would be fairly straight forward, and it was. Joey setup the Trackman and we started testing some long game weapons! I got started with the Crossover, and based on the feel and dispersion alone, I knew I wanted one in my bag. None of the Crossovers he had stiff shafts, so I tested the one with a regular shaft. As such the ball flight was ridiculously high, but I knew with the correct shaft it would come down significantly. It was a leap of faith to a degree, but based on what I’ve seen so far, that leap has been rewarded! What was funny was comparing the Crossover to my 4i. Straight up, it was no contest. In fact, after hitting the Crossover, I seriously considering looking at a 5 Crossover as well, but that will have to wait for now! Next we got going with the hybrids. I told him my G400 3H had a special place in my heart and that I was expecting similar results from the G410 line especially from a comfort perspective. My intuition was correct, and the test G410 I got a long with best had the Ping Tour hybrid shaft. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but the G410 3H was at least 5 yards longer than my old setup and that was all I needed to see. We were about to move to FWs, but Joey asked me to give the G410 2H a few swings. His logic was that with the adjustability, it would fill the gap between FW and Crossover perfectly. I hadn’t even considered that, but he was 100% correct as 2H, played at 18.5, is what is in my bag now! Finally, we went through the FWs. Admittedly, I started to get nervous at this point because I struggle with FWs and have had a hard time finding one that has worked well for me on and off the tee. The first one I tested was a standard G410 3W with a Ping Tour 75 S shaft. No joke, I absolutely ripped the first one off the deck and that pretty much settled what was going in my bag. We tinkered around with a few more configurations, including a G410 5W and G410 3W LST, but nothing came close to what I saw and felt with the standard model. I tried the following shafts in all the clubs: Crossover - Alta CB Red, Hybrids - Ping Tour 85 S and EvenFlow Black 85HY 6.0, FWs - Ping Tour 75 S and EvenFlow Black 75 6.0. Based on that, I was all set to go with the Ping Tours, but Joey said he liked the ball flight and spin numbers he saw when I was hitting my old FW with the Tensei CK Pro Blue so he wanted me to get that shaft in the Crossover, hybrids and FW. While I could’ve easily gamed any of the Ping Tour shafts, I was happy he recommended a shaft I was even more comfortable with. Following the discussion about shafts, we quickly went through the grips, and settled on midsize Golf Pride Tour Velvet 360s (gold) on all the clubs. I gave Joey my contact info, then headed out to enjoy what ended up being a golf filled Memorial Day weekend! Joey wrapped things up by telling me I could expect to see my order in about a week and honestly I thought he was yanking my chain. But when I got CC’d on the order email the same day as the fitting, I knew he wasn’t playing around. I received the tracking the following Tuesday, and that Friday, the box you see below was on my porch! Right below that picture are the packing list along with the configuration tags for each club. As is usually the case with Ping, the clubs were built to spec and have performed nicely so far! I had been fit one time prior to this in September 2018, and overall it was a very straight forward process. Joey seemed most interested in making sure the clubs I tested were in a certain spin range, and he was able to get my dialed in quickly once we get near the desired range. I was very excited to get the clubs so quick and I did not waste any time getting them in my bag because new clubs need to be used, right? With one of the parameters of this testing being overall game improvement, I thought it was important to put them to use ASAP and the more I use them, the more impressed I am! In closing I would again like to thank MGS and Ping for the testing opportunity, and I hope this post gives everyone an idea of what the fitting process was like! sirchunksalot, Thin2win, RickyBobby_PR and 13 others 16 Quote LTDx Black 10.5º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Z785 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Tour B X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mr.hicksta Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Stage Two - Ping Long Game Gapping/Testing – Official MGS Forum Review by mr.hicksta Intro The majority of my time with these long game clubs was spent on the course with the occasional range session to see if the numbers matched what I was seeing on the course. This combination gave me a good feel for how the clubs performed in various situations, which puts me in a position to be able to give you all some solid feedback to look over. My goal while playing was to use all the clubs as much as possible even in some situations where I normally wouldn’t. This includes lots of use off the tee as well as various approach shots sometimes in the spirit of not laying up ;). Looks (10 out of 10 points) I’m a huge fan of the matte black crown and combined with Pings signature turbulators, you have what I believe are some fantastic looking clubs. The G410 line has a bit more color in it as well with the addition of the red, and it really complements the overall look of both the FW, hybrid and crossover. The color scheme is a huge improvement over the G400 line in my opinion. G410 3W: Prior to the fitting, this was the club I was most worried about adjusting to because I was not a fan of the G400 fairway woods. They probably performed just fine, but I was so turned off by the look of the club head that I didn’t even have it in my bag a month. That concern no longer exists with the G410 3W! The club head shape is perfect in my opinion and it looks fantastic at address. The matte black crown with the turbulators is a great combo and the use of red for the lettering compliments the overall look nicely. The graphics are subtle and there’s nothing about the look that’s over the top. Overall the design is simple and screams ‘performance’! G410 2H and 3H: I was most comfortable with the Ping hybrids having gamed the G400 3H for almost two years and the changes in the G410 are all welcomed. The most noticeable changes are the slight larger turbulators and overall size of the club head. It is still nice and compact and is certainly not one of the chunkier hybrids. It sets up beautifully behind the ball! G410 4 Crossover: If I had to describe the look of this club I’d use the word ‘subtle’. As far as driving irons go, it’s quite compact, which I think most would enjoy given some of the criticism I’ve seen about other driving irons. The finish is the traditional brushed satin, with the typical branding you’d find on an iron. Ping can’t get too carried away seeing how there’s not a lot of real estate, and they certainly didn’t here. Simply put, it’s a clean looking club that performs beautifully minus one little thing (keep reading!). Sound & Feel (8 out of 10 points) G410 3W, 2H and 3H: The 3W and hybrids sound fantastic. I’d describe the sound at impact as a crisp, metallic ‘crack’. There are slight differences if you catch the heel or toe, but it’s not a crazy departure from flushing it. As we all know, feel is very subjective, but the G410 fairways and hybrids don’t have any issue in that department. I can clearly tell when I don’t catch it around the center of the face, which is all I care about when it comes to sound and feel. G410 4 Crossover: Bottom line up front: this club sounds terrible, especially off the tee. It’s slightly better off turf, but the sound is my single biggest issue with this club. It’s beyond me why Ping didn’t address this as I know the last Crossover sounded terrible, too. I understand that around MGS performance trumps sound and feel, but the sound of this club is borderline obnoxious. Some won’t care, but if you do, then chances are you won’t like the Crossover based on acoustics alone. It is much better in the feel department, and for a driving iron it’s quite forgiving. Mishits aren’t terribly punishing, but there is a distinct difference between flushed shots and misses on the towards the heel or toe. Basic Characteristics (18 out of 20 points) G410 3W and hybrids: Hands down the longest and most forgiving clubs I’ve played in either category. The G410 3W is performing for me like I imagined it would. Easy driver replacement on tight tees, and for longer approach shots on par 5s. It has eliminated my fear of FWs and has just about replaced my hybrid as my go to club off the tee. My comfort level with the hybrids has increased, and they’re my second favorite clubs out of the lot. The hybrids have shined out of the rough and I’ve held several greens when I’ve used them for approach shots. My 2H in particular, played at 18.5, perfectly fits the gap between 3W and 4 Crossover and my confidence with it is sky high. The forgiveness of the hybrids is impressive as well and some of my best shots have been where I missed towards the toe. It’s nice to flush it obviously, but knowing you won’t get hammered for a mishit is one way to increase ones comfort with a club. I’m quite comfortable with the gaps at the top of my bag now and both of these clubs fall within their respective distances lanes and I’m able to work them if necessary. Finally, I’ve only adjusted my 2H, but the 8 possible settings on the FWs and hybrids make them extremely versatile. G410 4 Crossover: Admittedly, this is the club I struggle with the most. I have hit some terrific shots with it, but I have also hit some ‘WTF’ shots. Normal for an amateur for sure, and I think a lot of it has to do with my setup. With that said, the well struck shots have been very consistent in terms of accuracy, distance and trajectory. Even though I’ve hit some crap shots with my Crossover, I still find it to be very forgiving. I’ve just had some swings that no amount of forgiveness could save! It is my go to club for most par 3s in the 190 to 210 range, but I haven’t held any greens with it as of yet. Here are some numbers from a recent range session that will give you an idea of what kind of distance I'm getting with these clubs. G410 3W teed up: G410 3W off the deck: G410 2H off the deck: G410 4 Crossover off the deck: On-Course Performance (27 out of 30 points) I’ll preface this section by saying that all poor shots are 100% on me, but it has been years since I’ve had long game clubs that I’ve felt this comfortable with. During my time with the G410 long game offerings, I’ve made every effort to use them in situations I’d normally use FW/hybrid/driving iron as well as situations where I may be in between clubs just to see if I can hit a range of shots. The results have been mostly positive, and highlight the positive attributes I’ve discussed with each of the clubs. Over the last two months I’ve often been left in positions where I can get to a green with a short iron or wedge, so from the long game perspective they’re fantastic. My issue, however, has been with irons/wedges lately so my scoring average has been about the same or slightly higher because of issues not related to these clubs. As far as Ping goes, I think the G410 line builds on the already impressive G400 line and these clubs are a legit upgrade over their predecessors. The feature that stood out most to me is the more streamlined shape of the FWs. They look fantastic and setup WAY better than the G400s. Finally, I know there’s no such thing as a perfect club, but Ping knocked it out of the park with these clubs. Despite my mild criticism of the Crossover, I believe that these clubs can help a wide range of handicaps and they flat out perform! Miscellaneous (9 out of 10 points) The design of the G410 line is what stands out the most to me. It’s not super flashy, and the black and red compliment each other nicely. It’s a clean and efficient look that I’m a huge fan of! The only other knock is the limited number of shafts available, but I’ll admit that’s nitpicking. And I mentioned this in my fitting review, but the turnaround time from the day of my fitting to the clubs arriving was around 5 days. The fitter said it would be fast and he was not joking! Kudos to Ping for getting the clubs built and shipped in such a timely manner! Lastly, I usually only play with a few local friends and all of them have commented on shots I’ve hit with these clubs. So if my thoughts aren’t validation enough, give these a spin and watch the compliments start flying! Play it or Trade it? (18 out of 20 points) The G410 3W, 2H and 4 Crossover are staying in my bag! I’m very comfortable with the gapping, and the sound of the Crossover isn’t justification to let it sit on the sidelines. Bottom line is the top of my bag has never been better from a performance perspective! With the range of the G410 line (standard, SFT, LST) and the ability to adjust the FWs and hybrids to 8 different settings, these clubs can help a wide range of golfers from high handicappers to scratch players. Conclusion The G410 fairway woods, hybrids and crossovers are the REAL DEAL. They straight up perform and you’d be hard pressed to find a more forgiving clubs in each category. The adjustability makes it easy to set your gaps at the top of your bag, and I believe these clubs can help a wide range of players, in a variety of situations. Since putting these clubs in my bag, I have definitely improved off the tee, but unfortunately my irons and wedges have regressed so my index has stayed about the same. I think with more time, that will change and any improvement will be somewhat attributed to these long game clubs. In closing, I'd like to again thank MyGolfSpy and Ping for the opportunity. I truly enjoyed the experience and I'm grateful for the chance to contribute to this fantastic golf community. I hope that readers find all of our reviews helpful, and I'm happy to answer any question you all may have. Thanks for reading! Final Score: (90 out of 100 points) MaxEntropy, golfertrb, edingc and 12 others 12 3 Quote LTDx Black 10.5º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Z785 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Tour B X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSauer Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ping Long Game/Gap Testing - Stage 1 - Tyler What's up everyone? For those of you who don't know me, I'm Tyler. I am a 28 year old golf junkie from the Show-Me State of Missouri. I haven't been around golf my entire life, I actually just started playing about four or five years ago, and I've been an "off the shelf" kinda guy the entire time. I live in the small town of Belle, with a population of about 2,000... ish. Surprisingly, we do have a nice 9-hole course, which is only 3 minutes from my house, and makes it easy to go out whenever and play a round, practice putting, dial in clubs, or just hit some balls. When I saw the opportunity to not only test the new G410 line, but also get fitted, I threw my name in the hat without hesitation. I've always been interested in the fitting process and this was a perfect chance to see how it all works. I couldn't wait to get out there meet the fitter, hit balls, and see what was going to end up in my bag. Whenever I get the chance to play golf, I take it. If it's not blistering hot or raining, I'll be on the course. I consider myself competitive in nature, but when it comes to golf, I really just enjoy having a good time. It doesn't matter who I'm golfing with, I'm out there to have fun and meet new people who also have a passion for the game. The only real competing I'm doing is against myself. That's one reason why I love the game so much. You don't have to have a team to play with, you can go out and challenge yourself to score better than the time before. When I first started, I'd say 80% of the time I was golfing, I was playing solo. Over the years, my game has improved and I've become confident enough to golf with whoever. One of my favorite weekend activities is just getting a group of friends to go golf and enjoy a few cold ones while we're at it. There isn't much that tops that. I started out golfing with one of those Top Flite complete sets that you pick up from Dick's Sporting Goods, they weren't very pretty, but they certainly started the addiction. Since I've never been fit before, most of my club purchasing comes from the lovely reviews and tests here on MGS. As far as specs, I've always done static fittings, the typical height and wrist-to-floor measurements, as well as hand size for the grips. Right now my bag is made up of the following (new G410 clubs included): Ping G400 Max Ping G410 3W Ping G410 3 Crossover Ping G410 4 Crossover Ping i200 5-PW Titleist Vokey SM7 Wedges - 52, 56, 60 Taylormade TP Juno Black As you can see, most of my bag is made up of Ping. I love their products. I never really focused on the top of my bag, besides driver. Everything from 3w down to about a 4 or 5 iron was something I just didn't pay attention to, not sure why. But, that is another reason why I really wanted the opportunity to finally find some clubs to round out my bag. The clubs that got tossed out were a Callaway Rogue 3W and an old Adams hybrid that I couldn't hit for the life of me. I would hook the hybrid into oblivion and I always feared pulling it out, which is a characteristic a hybrid shouldn't carry. As for the 3W, that was a recent purchase, probably had it for 3 or so months. Since everything else was upgraded to stiff in my bag, I needed something to replace my old Callaway regular flex XR 3w. But, being the off the shelf guy that I am, I didn't consider getting fit for anything. So, needless to say, those two clubs were not really doing much good. So I had to toss 'em out. Right now I'm around a 10hdcp, constantly trying to break into the single digits. I would say my swing tempo has shifted from "ZOOM ZOOM!" to "Okay, let's actually focus on hitting the ball." I used to try and crush it with every shot, and my entire swing was very poor. At this time, I'm very content with how my swing is. My typical shot is a slight draw (which I never thought would ever happen). I'm currently struggling with a random pull that happens every so often and leaves me missing right. I think the biggest thing is alignment and grip, so I'm working on it every chance I get. The one area I can rely on though is my short game, and anything from around 130 in. I think this goes back to my tempo issues, and since I'm not having to hit it far, I don't swing hard, therefore allowing me to hit good shots. It's big mental thing. My weakness is really the area that I'm testing for. We have a par 5 at our local course and the second shot always requires a fairway wood or hybrid into the green and 9 times out of 10 I wouldn't make the green or I'd hook it OB. If these new clubs are anything like the past line (G400, i200) that I have in my bag, I know they're going to help me tremendously. Due to the flooding and tornadoes that was going on here, I was a bit behind everyone else when it came to getting fit and receiving the clubs, so I haven't put on quite as many miles but I can tell you this... I was able to hit the G410 Crossover for the first time yesterday and I am already in love. I stuck a shot about 4 feet from the pin from 180 yards or so out. Something I know I wouldn't have been able to do with my past hybrid or 3w. Not only did the shoot feel good, it sounded even better! So, what was I fit for? Well here are the deets: Ping G410 3W, Alta CB 65 Red Stiff, Orange grip, +3/4" Ping G410 3 Crossover, Alta CB 70 Red Stiff, Orange grip, Standard length Ping G410 4 Crossover, Alta CB 70 Red Stiff, Orange grip, Standard length Some of these photos posted below may be NSFW If you're anything like me, you not only pick a club because it can do good things for your scorecard, but also because it is appealing to the eye. The G410 line is just that. Look at those curves! We know that Ping is known for their Hyrdopearl Chrome finish when it come to irons and now their crossovers. The well-known finish helps reduce friction with the turf and improve launch and spin from the rough and wet grass. I don't know about you, but the rough and I are great friends and this Hyrdopearl finish is going to help when it comes to those wet, dewy mornings. The Crossover contains a tungsten toe weight which adds forgiveness and helps increase MOI. Like their irons, the club indicator is the same chrome like finish which make these look that much better! And from my experience with their i200 irons, that finish will last a very, very long time. They have tuned these Crossovers to actually look more like irons and less bulky like their predecessors. The forward CG promotes less shot bend and helps ensure those shots will be straight with stable trajectories. They have what is called a C300 maraging-steel face, which promotes that awesome sound I was speaking of earlier. Not only that, but it helps increase ball speed and distance! Now let's talk about their fairway woods. Again, they are using the same maraging steel face to promote better ball speed and easier launch which in turn maximizes your distance. Just what we want, right? The problem with my previous 3W was that I had a hard time getting it in the air. Most of my shots were look stinger-esque hooks, so we had to find something to help put the ball into orbit. Yep, turbulators are still a thing! These G410 fairway woods now have Trajectory Tuning 2.0, which now allows the user to adjust their fairway up to 8 different ways, including a 3 degrees flatter than standard lie to help optimize ball flight. I really like when clubs are adjustable. Yes, simplistic is nice in certain aspects, but being able to fine tune your club to your liking is an awesome addition. As a matter of fact, during the fitting we were going to test a different shaft in my previous 3w, but since it wasn't adjustable, that was not an option. I think someone should always opt for the adjustable clubs, to me it just makes sense. One thing most often overlooked in the golf game is shafts. We always want to look at clubs and what they can do, while sometimes not really thinking about the shaft. Just like in my G400, I was equipped with the Ping Alta CB Red shaft. I was hitting my driver so well that it was a no-brainer for my fitter. Told you, they deserve a NSFW tag. I plan to hit the course every chance I get in order to put these clubs through the wringer. Most of my testing will be done at my local course, as it is rarely busy and can sometimes feel like you own the place when there isn't anyone there... which is quite often. I'll be hitting a lot of balls into par 5s to see how well I can get them to land on the green and stop. As with my previous 3w, if I was able to reach the green, I had a lot of roll out. My fitter, Chris, made sure I was to get something that would help get the ball in the air and allow me to be on the dance floor with some birdie, or even eagle putts. As of right now I'm really enjoying these clubs. Could it be the honeymoon stage or could it be true love? We shall soon find out. mr.hicksta, russtopherb, goaliewales14 and 13 others 14 2 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ping Long Game/Gap Testing - Fitting I want to preface this by saying that my fitting experience was different, not the typical one you've been reading about with the other members. Mainly because I'm a southpaw. This was a process I was excited for for quite some time, like I mentioned, I've never had an actual fitting but have always been intrigued by the process of it. I know this is a very important aspect when it comes to golf, because you want something that is tailored to your body and your swing. I knew this was going to be a great treat and was excited to get the ball rolling. My fitting took place at New Bloomfield Country Club, which is about 90 minutes from my home, and this was actually the first time I've ever been to the course. It blew me away. Population of about 600, and the course was immaculate. Never would have imagined it. Anyway, enough drooling, back to the topic on hand. One of the main reasons I have never gotten fit for clubs is because I didn't think I would end up taking the game as serious as I do now. I looked at it as more of a hobby I'd do when I was bored, never thought I'd be seeking to find out every detail about my swing from setup to finish. I knew the theory of how the fitting worked. There would be several clubs. Numbers galore. Questions. Answers. The whole nine yards. However, mine turned out to be a little different. After finally getting in touch with my fitter (he thought it was a spam number calling him for the first few weeks) we scheduled to meet up at his club. I brought my bag, as well as my nerves, and had an irrational fear that I'd shank every shot and walk away with disappointment. Fortunately that wasn't the case. When I showed up I met Chris in the clubhouse and admired how nice of a shop he has for such a small, small town. He already had a cart sitting outside, ready to roll. So, as anxious as I was I threw my clubs on and we headed for the range, where he had a bag of Ping clubs waiting. Here comes the bad part... when he got to looking at my bag, he realized I was a lefty and all the clubs he had were right handed. He did not think to ask about me being left handed when we were sitting up the fitting, and I didn't think to tell him, I had just assumed he would have all the weapons I would need. So most of my fitting is based off of Chris's knowledge of golf, as well as how much he knows about Ping products... which is A LOT. I started off hitting a few wedge shots, just to get loose, while he got some information from me regarding rounds played, handicap, etc. After a handful of wedge shots, I started moving up the bag. Hit some 7 iron shots, then finally made it to the important part... the long clubs. He had me hit driver first, to try and get an idea of how far I was hitting it and how fast everything was going. Unfortunately, he I wasn't able to get any pictures of the data, as he was using a launch monitor I have never seen before... I believe Ernest was the brand? Other than seeing the data directly after the shot, there was no way to go back in and bring it up, at least that he and I were aware of. My driver impressed me, however. The launch monitor was saying 250ish yards with a 105 mph swing speed. He made the comment that judging from how the ball was flying and the shot shape, that it had to be more like 270 yards or somewhere near there. Which had me ecstatic. He knew the CB shaft and I were good friends, which I why I think it ended up on every club I was fit into. When I move onto my fairway wood, it was not a pretty story. Mind you, I said I got the 3w just to replace an older one I already had in my bag. My shots were low, not far, and had a small hook to them. Overall, not a shot I want to hit. He stated the shaft in the Rogue 3W (Project X Even Flow) was very close to being an X-stiff, and could be the culprit for my poor shots. I even shanked a few right into the monitor, because in order for it to work it had to be sitting almost in front of the ball.. sorta to the side. I've never seen one like that before. Anyway, from that he gathered I needed something that would launch the ball and give me more of a higher arching shot shape, which is why he hooked me up with a 15.5* 3W. He then did the standard static Ping fitting that you would find on their site. Wrist to floor, hand size, and height. He also had me take a normal stance with the right handed crossover, and he instantly knew I needed a +1" extension on the 3W... being 6'6" sometimes does that to ya. One thing I also never thought about was grip size. I have always gone with midsize just because I know my hands aren't small. I figured that was the go-to and have been that way ever since I started golfing. However, he determined that I actually need an oversize grip, so he stuck me with the Ping Orange coded grips which are oversize. I have to agree, they feel much much better in the hands than a midsize does! I will be replacing all of my other grips with the same ones whenever the time comes. We talked about my hybrid game and how well I got along with them. The answer is not very well. My hybrid is a scary club, full of hooks. That was a discussion we had for quite a while. He explained all of the new technology Ping has put into their new G410 line, especially their crossovers. He did not want me getting a club that I felt I was going to hit poorly, which is why he hooked me up with a 3 and 4 crossover. I can see why Ping hooked me up with Chris, he knows everything there is to know about the process of getting properly fit. He did state that although he is a Ping rep, he games Titleist. He has noticed that 75% of the people at his club have been buying Ping over everything else though. So kudos to Ping for making such a great product! After we finished hitting balls, we went back to the clubhouse so he could make a copy of the fitting sheet and explain to me a little more as to why he chose the clubs he did for me. He knew it was an important session and he thinks he chose the correct clubs to help me play better golf and score low! Before I was able to leave he did give me a few presents, I guess you could say. First, he let me pick any Ping hat in his store and told me it was on him, which is an awesome gesture! Secondly, he said I could come back to his course with a friend and play a free round! I'm telling you, Chris is an awesome guy! I really wish there were lefty clubs available, but sometimes you just gotta work with what you got. The entire experience was very interesting, and I walked away with great knowledge about my own swing, which is a win in my book! Though my fitting was not traditional, I hope I was able to provide some information to all of you. All that's left to do now is to hit some balls, make some birdies, and of course tell you all about it! mr.hicksta, goaliewales14, THEZIPR23 and 6 others 9 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Stage Two – Ping G410 Long Game – Official MGS Forum Review by Tyler Sauer Intro So here we are, stage numero dos. Will the clubs stay in the bag or will they get tossed out to the curb? (hypothetically of course) As you may or may not know, I’m a big fan of Ping. I have always believed they are one of those companies that just…. do things right. Of course, every golf equipment brand claims to be innovative and claims they can help you shoot low scores. Ping is the one brand I always stand behind when it comes to those claims. So, once again I’m glad I was able to really put that matter to the test. My testing took place between the course and the range, with most of it being on the course. For some reason the range turns me off because I never truly know if the ball is going where I want or if I’m telling myself that’s where I meant to hit it. Therefore, what I did was put a lot of time into playing rounds and tested if using these clubs versus the ones they replaced really paid off. When ever a shot would call for my 3 wood, I would be sure to drop an extra ball and play that ball with my old club… the challenger as you might say. So, typically my second shots into par 5s always consisted of a second ball that was hit with the Callaway Rogue 3W. On the shorter par 4s, instead of pulling out a driver I would unsheathe a Crossover and see what kind of damage I could do with one of those. I was having a lot of fun with these clubs. Looks (10/10) Remember earlier when I mentioned how Ping just does things right? Well, this area is no exception. I would love to give a huge shout out to whoever the designer was behind the Crossovers because they are easily the best-looking club in my bag now. The past Crossovers were bulkier and though not hideous, they just weren’t as appealing. G410 Crossovers however give off a blade-ish look while being a heck of lot easier to hit than a blade. The hyrdopearl chrome finish is a thing of beauty. When it comes to the fairway wood, we saw that the turbulators are sticking around. This addition to the Ping lineup is really a hit or miss deal. Some people love the look, while others prefer the more sleek, minimal design. I personally enjoy them. Although they are a little more pronounced this year on the fairway wood, they give that aggressive look, which I really like! There is no real alignment aid besides the turbulators, which can really be a turnoff to some golfers. When it comes to the color scheme, I can’t hate… these were my high school colors back in the day. However, I think the previous swatches (black and copper) will always be my favorite! Sound & Feel (8/10) Sound. Let’s talk about it. I can tell you one thing I really hate in drivers and woods is an extremely loud ‘Ka Pow’ noise when I hit a ball. The G410 fairway fortunately is not like that at all, at least to my ears. It is a little more quiet than most of the clubs I’ve used, so it’s not deafening your partners ears. I would classify it as a medium sound, so right in the middle. It gives off a nice ‘thwack’ sound which reminds me of a cross between a wood and aluminum club. When it comes to mishits, they’re handled pretty well with Pings latest technology. Their new maraging face helps keep the feel consistent across the face with these mishits. I think the only time you will really feel a mishit is when it’s pretty severe on either end. That in mind, you will know when you smack one dead center and send it flying. The sweet spot is there and man does it feel good! When it comes to the crossover sound and feel, I can tell you this.. they’ve become my new favorite clubs. Not only do they sound stunning, the feel is pure butter. I don’t know why, but I had this notion that the crossovers would feel like my standard 4 iron and not be as forgiving on the hands. However, it’s the opposite. I think it partly has to do with them being paired with the CB shafts unlike the steel I have in my 4i. I will be hitting the crossovers as often as I can! Basic Characteristics (18/20) · Accuracy: Being the handicap that I am, hitting my target has always been an issue in general, no matter the club. However, I noticed that when I took these to the range and focused on a flag, I was able to dial these in a lot closer than I had been able to with my previous clubs, especially my fairway wood. · Distance: Remember when I mentioned how the crossovers are my new favorite clubs? This is why. I was not able to hit the previous hybrid I had, or when I did it was a massive hook. I have yet to hook these crossovers, fingers crossed. They bring an entire new arsenal to my bag that I never thought I would have. I can now easily pull these out in some instances over my fairway wood, just because they are so long, and the shots are so stable. · Trajectory: If you remember back in my post about the fitting, I talked about how I struggled with getting any lift with my Rogue 3W. The fitter instantly knew I needed a 3W that would provide more launch and offer more hangtime to land softly on the greens. The G410 3W launches plenty high, and I’m not longer scaring the worms with my worm burners. Significantly easier to hit out of the rough as well, allowing for a lot more options when it comes that time. · Forgiveness: Well… don’t want to jinx anything but I have yet to hit a hook with any of the new clubs. I’ve had mishits, sure, but none of those ended up where they were not playable. · Control: Far more accurate with these clubs than my previous ones. Not straying too far offline and all my shots have ended up decent. Best shot yet has been a 4 crossover from around 200 out than landed 4ft from the pin, I’ll never forget that. · Workability: Changing my shot shape is something I’m still working on, so I can’t comment too much in this area as to how well they help my game. · Adjustability: One thing that I always enjoy in clubs is adjustability and Ping didn’t lack in this category. The fairway wood now has the new trajectory tuning which allows for loft adjustments of +/- 1.5* as well as lie adjustments. Ping is also known for the notch in their irons and crossovers that allow for easy adjustability as well. · Playability: Never an issue hitting balls out of the thick stuff. Have played rounds with tees and rounds with no tees and in the end, didn’t have an issue with either style. On Course Performance (30/30) As you have probably already gathered, I’ve had nothing but a great time with these clubs. When I first received them and was just hitting balls on the range I figured there would be a honeymoon stage just like with anything else. Boy, was I wrong. The honeymoon stage still has not ended, and we’re still going strong. Adding these three clubs to my bag has been nothing but positive for my scores, meaning lower… not higher. Haha. I can’t think of anything else I would like to add to these clubs in the next generation. One thing I would recommend them keeping is the turbulators and the CB shafts. I didn’t realize how much of a difference a shaft made, but I am now a huge supporter of the counter-balanced shafts. I’ll end this section with this… I’ve been having the most fun playing golf now than I ever have. I think it’s finally because I have clubs I can rely on. Miscellaneous (10/10) When I think Ping, I think quality. Every encounter I have ever had with Ping, whether that be a rep, fitter, or customer service has been great. Almost all my bag is Ping and every time I’ve ordered something from them the shipping has been super quick with everything packed well and no concerns of damaged clubs inside. I like that they throw in the custom card with every order so you can see the specs that you ordered, it’s a nice touch. They are a well respected company and I feel they always stand behind the tech they introduce, and that’s a winner in my book. Play It or Trade It (20/20) Goodbye Rogue 3W and goodbye Adams hybrid... this is a no brainer, these clubs are going in the bag. They have made me want to play more long courses just so I get to use them more often. If you are someone who struggles when it comes to the top end of your bag or struggle with getting ‘lift-off’ then you should check out this G410 line. I have always been afraid of my 3 wood and my long irons simply because they were not consistent. Sure, I would hit good shots with them, but they were few and far between. I never truly wanted to hit those clubs. It’s an entirely different story with the G410 line, I’m always wanting to hit these. Conclusion If you’re anything like me and don’t fancy the long ball, the G410 line may become your new best friend. The top end of my bag was not a fun spot for me, primarily because the longer you must hit a ball, the better the chance of it missing the target. Everything beyond my 5i or 6i was relatively good and I never really had any doubts. You hand me a fairway wood, hybrid, or long iron and I was sure to hit everything besides where I was aiming. Then, I got introduced to the G410 3W and Crossovers. While I can say the clubs are a big factor, I would argue the bigger factor would be a proper fitting. No, my fitting was not done in the traditional way, but I am certain he got me right where I need to be. After several range sessions and even more rounds, I am now more confident in my long game than I have ever been before. I’m not saying these clubs are miracle workers, I’m not saying they’ll make you a scratch golfer, what I’m saying is that if you struggle with hitting fairways and are fearful of any of your long irons, give the G410 clubs a try. You will not be disappointed. Final Score ( 96/100 ) mr.hicksta 1 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PAgolfer2017 Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ping Long Game Gapping Testing - Stage 1 First off I wanted to give a huge thank you to both MyGolfSpy and Ping for this opportunity! For those that don’t know me, my name is Josh and I live near Harrisburg, PA with my wife, twin girls, and black lab. I’m a special education teacher in a nearby district, and am currently looking at possible opportunities to move into an assistant principal role. I was born in Seoul, South Korea, but grew up just outside of Pittsburgh. Along with golf I’m big into Pittsburgh sports, photography and music. If you have any questions that pop up as you read, feel free to throw them my way! As far as golf goes, it’s not something I picked up until after college. I have a cousin who is big into golf, but other than that, nobody in my family was ever a golfer. I’d been to the driving range growing up and was a self proclaimed putt-putt king, but golf was not something I ever took seriously. Once I graduated college and got married, I woke up one day and told my wife I wanted a set of golf clubs. Bought a set of Adams RPM2 irons, found some hand me down woods and putter and I was hooked. This year marks my 7th year golfing (don't ask how many clubs I’ve owned during those 7 years…) and I kick myself often for not starting earlier! My favorite person to golf with has to be my father-in-law. We’ve gotten to golf some great spots, and it’s just an absolute blast. I play most of my rounds in the Harrisburg, York, Hershey area. I’m a member at a local course that is a 5 minute drive from my house, but also like to explore some of the other courses in the area. I’m not far from the Maryland border, and like to take the occasional day trip down there to golf with my cousin or fellow Spies! There are many reasons why I love the game of golf. I love the unique challenge that it presents, and I love how you can play the same golf course 100 times and each of those rounds are never the same. My current bag makeup prior to fitting. No real rhyme or reason to how I chose my setup. When it comes to my fairways, I carry a 3-wood and Heavenwood. Truth be told, the 3-wood never really comes out of the bag, and I have a lot more confidence with my Heavenwood, using it for anything between the 175-210 range. Current handicap is a 15.3. I tend to hover in the high 80’s to low 90’s, and much of that is dependent on my driver. I fight an over-the-top when I swing, which really makes the driver and fairways a challenge some rounds. My ball flight is one I’d describe as more mid, and my typical miss with woods is to the right (I’m right handed), and my miss with irons/wedges is left. I’ve worked a lot on building a consistent swing this year (feel free to check out the link to my swing thread here) but I still have a way to go. My tempo is definitely on the slower side, though that’s something I’ve focused on improving over the past few months. If I had to pick a strength to my game I’d say it would be my putting. I’m not a fantastic putter by any stretch of the imagination, but generally can avoid 3-putts during a round. My biggest weakness would have to be the top end of my bag. My driver is often hit or miss, and I’ve never been confident with the top half of my bag. Once I get to about my 6-iron I can manage, but never had high confidence in my woods/low irons. Up until this point I’d only carried fairway woods. In the past I’ve tinkered with hybrids but they’ve never stuck. Prior to my fitting I carried a 3-wood, Heavenwood and then 4-AW in irons. In terms of looks, I absolutely love the g410 line. I’ve come to love the look of the turbulators, and both fairways and hybrids set up well to the ball. Hybrids definitely have more of a closed look than I’m used to, but still provide confidence at address. With the new G410 line, their fairways have a CG that is a little more forward compared to the g400 line, with the goal of increasing stability and provide maximum forgiveness. A new forged face provides more flexing to increase ball speed and the new hosel provides 8 settings offering loft adjustments +/- 1.5*, and lie adjustment up to 3* flatter than standard. Hybrids have the same hosel, and a slightly larger head/shape. Ping also says the deeper tungsten weight helps to maximize forgiveness in the larger head. I’ve always been a fan of Ping. I’ve played a number of their drivers (i15, Anser, G30, G400, G410), but outside of the Anser line, have never played a Ping fairway or hybrid, but very excited to spend some time with the g410 line. Stay tuned for fitting results! As someone who lacks confidence with drivers, fairways, and long irons, I was really excited for this opportunity. The one thing that really intrigued me was whether or not I was playing the right setup (fairways vs hybrids, long irons vs hybrids). I’ve always liked to tinker, but a chance to find out what would work best for me had me really excited! My goal is to get these on the Skytrak for a bit, and I also have a set of Arccos sensors coming my way to help track my on course game. There are a few holes at my course that give me problems, and these clubs could very well help on certain holes! What determines whether these earn a spot in my bag is quite simple. I’m not looking for extra yardage. I’m looking for something that will give me the confidence from 175 and out. PING Apologist #9, MattF, downlowkey and 12 others 15 Quote Bag: 4.5LS Driver: Stealth 9* w/ Aldila Red 60 Fairway: SIM 15* w/ Diamana 70 Fairway: GBB Heavenwood 19* w/ Fujikura Pro 72 Irons: p790 4-PW w/ C-Taper Lite 110s Wedge: MG3 50 & 54 Wedge: Hi-Toe 60* Putter: Spider X Ball: TP5 PIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAgolfer2017 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ping Long Game Gap Testing - Fitting Review The fitting aspect of this review was one of the things that both excited and scared me the most about this testing opportunity. As I mentioned before, I’m a self-proclaimed golf junkie who has a tendency to change clubs more than I change clothes. I’m also one that frequents buy-sell-trade sections on forums on a regular basis. While not as bad as CG2….I do have a bit of a golf club buying/hoarding problem. My current bag makeup prior to the fitting that I listed in stage 1 were clubs that I was not fit for, however through a lot of trial and tinkering, I found what works. I did go to an iron fitting recently, and found that my CF16 iron set with KBS Tour V110 stiff shafts fit me like a glove. Against all current iron sets (919F, p790, hot metal pro), everything was within a yard for distance and dispersion. One reason why I never liked getting fit in the past was because I felt like they were all numbers oriented, without a lot of input from me, with the exception of maybe 1 experience. Part of that may have been my fault for not speaking up, but I always felt like I was told what I should play. I swing on the slower side with my driver (90-95) and I have been told multiple times, “You should play a lighter weighted, regular shaft because you swing slow.” In the past I’ve followed that reasoning and played clubs I couldn’t keep in the fairway. After tinkering, I found I get along better with heavier, stiffer shafts. My current driver shaft is a HZRDUS Yellow 6.0 76g shaft, and my irons have always floated between 110-120g. Once I got my fitter information I was excited because I knew the fitter, Rick Kline, from a prior experience. Remembering my experience with him last time, and knowing his personality and how well we got along, I went in with an open mind, but also with the mindset of starting dialogue and discussion about not just numbers, but feel as well. My fitting was not with a Ping Rep, but was at a Ping Top 100 clubfitter, so I reached out to him, scheduled a time, and when the day arrived I set off. With the fitting focusing on the gap between your driver and longest iron, I was curious about two questions. Was I playing the right iron setup? Would I be fit into hybrids or fairway woods? I arrived at Stitler Golf Center and immediately got taken into an outdoor bay to warm up and hit some golf balls. Rick popped over after finishing another fitting and we talked for a little bit. He remembered me from last time I was up and we chatted about the opportunity and testing, and I shared with him the two questions that I was curious about that I listed above. Before even getting out his GC2, he asked me to take a few swings with my longest iron (4 iron). Took a few, none of which went straight. His first response was, “Yea..that club might get replaced.” I then grabbed my 5 iron and hit a few, all of which I hit pretty well. I then took a few swings with the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer, he grabbed a bunch of clubs and we were off! The only downside was we were using range balls on the GC2, so my 5 iron registered at 158 on the GC2, but generally that is my 175 club, but for the purpose of the fitting it still gave us a good idea on gapping. Started out first with a 4 hybrid with the stock Alta CB 70 Red shaft. I took a few swings and didn’t like the feel. It felt whippy to me. Overall numbers weren’t bad. GC2 was showing between 165-170 but the ball was going all over the place. Had the conversation with him about always preferring a heavier shaft despite not having a high swing speed and he brought out the Tensei Blue 80 and the Tour 85 shaft, both in stiff. Tensei blue gave me my longest shots of the day (GC2 registered 175) but the Tour 85 gave me the most consistency, with shots in the 165-170 range (again mind you this was using range balls) but a much tighter dispersion compared to the Alta. Decided that the 4 hybrid would replace my 4-iron Next he pulled out a 3 hybrid and that was a pretty simple process. Tried the Tensei Blue and Tour 85 stiff shafts, and once again the Tour 85 shaft came out on top, fitting the gap perfectly with shots in the 170-180 range with the same tighter dispersion. We decided that the 3 hybrid would replace my trusty Heavenwood, and hybrids were done! I was really curious how the spot after my driver would go. Once we got through the hybrids, he handed me the g410 SFT 3-wood. For whatever reason I’ve always been against the SFT line, especially when it comes to drivers. If you asked me if I had a good reason I’d tell you no. Just never decided to game one, but after a few swings with the 3-wood my perception changed. It does look a little different at address, but after a few swings and seeing the results, it no longer bothers me. Super straight and so easy to hit. So much so that I’m now contemplating finding the SFT driver head. The Alta didn’t feel as whippy as it did in the hybrid, but we then threw in the Tour 75 shaft. Once again we saw the consistency with distance and the dispersion, dropped it down agree and we were done! So after everything, I added: SFT 3 wood - 15 deg - Tour 75 stiff shaft 3 hybrid - 19 deg - Tour 85 stiff shaft 4 hybrid - 22 deg - Tour 85 stiff shaft I replaced: TS2 3 wood - 15 deg - Evenflow White 6.0 76g GBB Heavenwood - 19 deg - Fujikura Pro 72g stiff CF16 4 iron - Tour v110s Probably the best fitting experience I’ve had to date, and I believe it has to do with how you approach it with your fitter. The dialogue was huge, as well as what my thoughts and feelings were. Despite a shaft giving me better numbers, I pointed out I was looking more for consistency, as well as a shaft/head combo that would continue to work for me as I improved my swing. I think we accomplished both of those during the fitting, and I’m excited to get these out on the course for more rounds. cnosil, PING Apologist #9, mr.hicksta and 6 others 8 1 Quote Bag: 4.5LS Driver: Stealth 9* w/ Aldila Red 60 Fairway: SIM 15* w/ Diamana 70 Fairway: GBB Heavenwood 19* w/ Fujikura Pro 72 Irons: p790 4-PW w/ C-Taper Lite 110s Wedge: MG3 50 & 54 Wedge: Hi-Toe 60* Putter: Spider X Ball: TP5 PIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAgolfer2017 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Stage Two - PAGolfer’s G410 Long Gap Testing Since Stage 1, the majority of my testing has been done on course or in the garage with my Skytrak. I’ve traveled a good bit throughout the summer, but have been able to get out for a number of rounds with these clubs. From my Stage 1, I’ve always struggled with woods, from driver to my longest iron. It’s never been a comfortable spot for me, and I tried to spend as much time with these as I could! Looks (9 out of 10 points) I can’t even begin to tell you how much I love the look of these, especially the hybrid. If I had to break this down between my two hybrids and SFT 3 wood, I’d give the hybrids a 10 and the SFT 3 wood an 8 based on looks. Hence the 9 rating. Hybrids: If any of you follow me in other threads, you know I have a bit of an addiction to golf clubs. I tend to purchase/swap quite often. I was in a golf shop the other day, and honestly couldn’t find another hybrid club head that, in my opinion, looked better than the G410 line. They’re compact and not clunky looking, yet instill confidence when you’re standing over it. For my eye, it does sit slightly closed, but not too much to the point where it bothers me. The black looks fantastic. I’ve never been a fan of clubs where you can see glare or shine on top. The g410 hybrid head paired with the Tour shaft looks fantastic from top to bottom. Stopped by a shop near me to try and grab some comparison pics compared to other models. SFT Fairway: The 3-wood is where you see a bit of a different look when it comes to “traditional” fairway woods. The SFT definitely has a larger look, and for me coming from 3-woods like the TS2 and M3 and F8, it took me awhile to get used to it at address. Despite the larger size, the turbulators still make it easy to align, and at setup, to my eye, looks a little closed at address as well, but again, not too much to turn me off from using it. With it being the same color as the hybrids, and paired with the Tour 75 shaft, the club itself looks great. I know looks vary person to person, but my golf OCD has always struggled with clubs that have different color accents on the head (Epic driver with green, M3/M5 with blue/red, etc..). I love the clean black look that Ping brings to all their clubs, and I think they did a fantastic job with the G410 line in that regard. Sound & Feel (9 out of 10 points) I know people have always had varying opinions on Ping and how their clubs sound. I remember the G30-G-G410 debate on how the club sounded, but I love the sound of the G410 hybrids. It does have a more metallic sound. I can definitely tell when I hit off center. The metallic sound turns into a bit of a more metallic thud. Neither of which sound harsh when hit. Feel is a little different for me. Overall I like the feel of the hybrids and fairway, but the face definitely doesn’t feel “hot” to me. I’ve played a few clubs in the past that you feel like the ball just rockets off the face. That’s not the case for me with the g410 line, but it still produces a solid feel. I’ve had a few instances where I’ve hit them solidly off the toe or heel. Really off centered hits can definitely be felt, but hits that are slightly off centered still sound and feel similar to centered hits. I don’t know if I'd rate it as my favorite sounding club. I loved the sound of the original Taylormade RBZ clubs, and even my Great Big Bertha Heavenwood, but sound is something that never truly bothers me. I think each produce more of a metallic sound, but I wouldn’t put the G410 line behind it. Sound and feel are nothing that would impact my mental game regardless of the club, but like I said, I really like the sound and feel of the line. Basic Characteristics (15 out of 20 points) Now let’s get down to the performance. These clubs are a bit interesting for me. Accuracy wise, when struck well, go very straight, but I’ve really struggled hitting greens. Even moreso, lately I’ve had issues with topping the ball, especially the 3-wood. I’ve had some issues with topping the hybrids as well, which has also lead to worm burners or low toe shots that go right. With the 3-wood, it’s not a club I hit into grees, but tried to use it for tee shots, and based on the data, it didn’t help me much in that regard either. Distance is also a bit odd. I’ve hit distances with each club that “should” fit my gapping well, but have really struggled with the consistency. If you look at my gapping below, you’ll see that none of the 3 clubs, according to ARCCOS, fit my gap well. When I have hit shots well, I would say that the trajectory has been a bit lower than I’d expect. Prior to getting ARCCOS on my clubs, I hit a few hybrids into greens that ended up running straight through the green and off the back. Prior to the testing I had a Heavenwood which held greens well for me, so the trajectory was significantly lower than the Heavenwood. The 3-wood offers a bit of a lower trajectory as well, but this could also be due to the shaft and not necessarily the head itself. Regardless of the club, no club is going to save you from a poor swing, but I found heel shots or shots low off the face fairly forgiving. There was the obvious loss of distance, but shots were still playable. The control and workability are a little harder for me to talk about. I tend to look for a straight ball flight, which I had no trouble finding when hit well, but again with my gapping issues, I had a hard time figuring out what distances to consistently use them for. I do love the adjustability that comes with these. As a constant tinkerer, the ability to adjust the loft and even lie angle is huge in my opinion. It really allows you to dial in the settings that you need, and something I may tinker with a little more post stage 2. I will say that each plays well off the fairway and tees, and the hybrids work well coming out of the rough, but I’ve found that the 3-wood for me isn’t something I would hit out of the rough. Part of that may be due to the size/shape of the SFT head, but I seem to have even less confidence with it out of the rough. Also, living in Central PA with many hills, both surprisingly work well off of hills. Again, I’ve had some issues lately hitting them, but that may be more user error then anything related to the club. On-Course Performance (18 out of 30 points) Like I said above, the more time I spent with these, the more I lost confidence in my ability to hit them. I’m not a great golfer, but my normal miss with hybrids and fairways is a push to the right. Very rarely do I get in the habit of topping a ball, but for quite a few rounds, and even during yesterday’s round, I couldn’t get my 3-wood off the ground. When it comes to both hybrids, I had similar issues, but not quite to the same extreme as the 3-wood. Yesterday I pulled my 3-hybrid for 3 shots. Topped 1 of them and sent the other 2 high and right. The recent struggle made me hesitant to pull them in pressure situations. Starting out, I had a nice stretch where I would use my 3 or 4 hybrid to tee off on a stretch of holes where I usually run into trouble on my home course. I would tee off and use the hybrid to hit my 2nd shot, but with the recent struggles of hitting them, I found myself doubting my ability to use them off the tee. Still pulled it to tee off, and immediately hit the ball OB right. Below are two screen shots of the holes that generally give me trouble. On other par 5’s, where I’d need a solid second shot, I found myself hesitating too. I definitely lost confidence, getting to the point where I felt like the ball would either get topped or find OB somewhere. Another issue that I’m having is looking at my gapping. I’m comfortable hitting my 5 iron as my 175 club. Looking at my gapping, I’ve had a hard time figuring out where these fit. I will say that the hybrids work well for bump and runs. I’ve used the hybrids many times from either just off the green or close to the green in the rough. Both hybrids get the ball rolling well and easily cut through rough, but the overall performance on these clubs on full shots is still up in the air. Overall I didn’t see an improvement in my score, and I think a lot of it was the lost confidence with the clubs, which might be more on me than on the clubs. It doesn’t change my impression on Ping at all. I still believe they make fantastic clubs. I absolutely love the turbulators. It might be one of my all time favorite alignment aids. I will say the one thing I would like to see in future models is more of a hotter feeling face. Miscellaneous (10 out of 10 points) From day 1 at the fitting, Ping was top notch in terms of getting us set up for our fitting, to getting our clubs out to us in a very timely manner. I’ve always had great interactions and experiences with Ping, and this was no different. I love that their clubs ship with a card that lists every spec from shaft to swing weight. Ping has always been a top notch company, and they definitely put an emphasis on customer service. Play it or Trade it? (14 out of 20 points) I prefaced before that a lot of this could be due to my current swing, while some of it can be due to the clubs, but I’m honestly split on this decision. I miss my Heavenwood, where the versatility of the club really shines for me from a number of distances and situations. I’ve seen a lot of positives with these clubs but I haven’t seen the consistency in terms of contact and yardage. I do think these clubs fit a wide range of golfers, from low cappers to high, and the adjustability allows golfers to dial in a number of settings. I think a lot of it comes down to having the consistency with your hybrids and fairways, which is something that I struggle with. I still plan on giving them some more time, but I'll definitely need to gain more confidence, and more importantly see the yardages that I need to fit the gap between my driver and 5 iron. Conclusion Ping hit a homerun in terms of design with the g410 line. I absolutely love everything from the look to the feel, but have struggled finding the performance that I want/need. Though one of the reasons why I want to give them some more time is because I absolutely love the g410 driver. Despite working a lot on my swing this summer, I seem to have hit a bit of a wall, and have really struggled to find consistency with it. Stay tuned for more updates throughout the next few months! Final Score: (75 out of 100 points) MattF, MaxEntropy, mr.hicksta and 1 other 4 Quote Bag: 4.5LS Driver: Stealth 9* w/ Aldila Red 60 Fairway: SIM 15* w/ Diamana 70 Fairway: GBB Heavenwood 19* w/ Fujikura Pro 72 Irons: p790 4-PW w/ C-Taper Lite 110s Wedge: MG3 50 & 54 Wedge: Hi-Toe 60* Putter: Spider X Ball: TP5 PIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 Review Placeholder Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Cannot wait for this! Good luck guys, hope the change in the bag works extremely well! PAgolfer2017, mr.hicksta and TSauer 3 Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfertrb Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Really excited for this one! Great group of testers!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk mr.hicksta and TSauer 2 Quote Ping G400 LST 8.5* Graphite Design DI 6 stiff 45" Taylormade RBZ Proto 14.5* Oban Kiyoshi 85 04 42.5" Adams 4555 19* Matrix Ozik Altus 80 S/X 42" Ping G410 Crossover 2 Project X Even Flow Blue 85 6.0 40" Ping i500 4-8 Modus 105 Stiff Ping Blueprint 9-P Modus 105 Stiff Fourteen RM-12 53* and 58* Tour Issue Black Onyx s400 Odyssey Tour Black Series 9 35" Flatso 1.0 Srixon Z Star XV 2018 Ping Hoofer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 The last time I played with @MattF, we were talking about this being one of the coolest tests that have come around. This will be fun to follow. cksurfdude, mr.hicksta and MattF 3 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Curious to see if anyone got fit into the crossover. mr.hicksta, TSauer, Mr_Theoo and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Looking forward to the upcoming Stage 1s and fitting reviews and seeing who got fit into what!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk mr.hicksta 1 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, jlukes said: Curious to see if anyone got fit into the crossover. Yes there was....I'll leave you in some suspense. It wasn't me JohnSmalls and cksurfdude 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Very intrigued...and interested in the results. MDGolfHacker PAgolfer2017, JohnSmalls and mr.hicksta 3 Quote TSssWhat's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, MDGolfHacker said: Very intrigued...and interested in the results. MDGolfHacker I should have you write my review, as an unbiased observer since you've seen several of my rounds with the clubs JohnSmalls and MDGolfHacker 1 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, jlukes said: Curious to see if anyone got fit into the crossover. Yes, and it's INSANE. I can't believe the sound this thing makes. That's all I will say about it -- don't want to give too much away/step on any toes. russtopherb, JohnSmalls, cksurfdude and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin2win Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 This was definitely the coolest test this summer ( well CCC aside). For sure the one I am eager to read about the most. Golfspy_CG2 1 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, Thin2win said: This was definitely the coolest test this summer ( well CCC aside). For sure the one I am eager to read about the most. Thanks! When I was meeting with PING and we were brainstorming, it just evolved out things we were both saying. They were truly excited about it and I think the commitment they showed in trying to get all five of us fit by actual PING reps says how much it means to them. I have to say, some of my results have been eye opening and game changing. I'm anxious to share them, which I will in the next day or two. THEZIPR23, Thin2win, cnosil and 5 others 8 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: my results have been eye opening and game changing Cool! So..... all I need is a trip to Phoenix and I can stop all this hard work on full swing technique... Ha ha, but seriously - an seriously looking forward to how each player got outfitted and how that impacted their games JohnSmalls 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Honestly, if I knew this opportunity was coming I would have waited. I cannot wait to see how this is gonna work out for everyone! mr.hicksta and hartrick11 2 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I can’t wait to read about the fitting process and what everybody got fit into. This is going to be my next venture. I seem to have found a gap issue in my 195-210 range. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy revkev, PAgolfer2017 and mr.hicksta 3 Quote What is in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Dark speed LS 8* set to -1.5* with an Attas Daaas 4x shaft @ 45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: SMS Pros 4-PW with Steelfiber I95s Wedges: SMS 50* T grind with Steelfiber i110s Glide 4.0 46* zz wedge shaft Glide 4.0 E grind 54* zz wedge shaft Putters: Mezz.1 34” 69* lie EV5.1 black 33.5” 69* lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: I should have you write my review, as an unbiased observer since you've seen several of my rounds with the clubs I’d actually like to read that. Would be interesting to see what ones regular playing partners notice when one gets new gear MDGolfHacker, Golfspy_CG2, GolfSpy_BNG and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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