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So I'll go into it in my fitting post, but I'l answer it here as well.
My Fitter James Lee a Master Fitter at PING HQ.  My fitting was a bit different as it was a full bag fitting (that was arranged for me through my course outside of MGS duties and paid my  own way..I say this just to answer any questions about objectivity) 
So we started with finding what irons would work for me.  We started and ended with the G410.  Then I hit a 6 iron and 7 iron with a couple different shafts.   After looking at the results of those we determined my shaft would be the KBS Tour 105 and 7 iron would be the stopping point for the irons.  I was hitting it consistently between 133 and 138.   The 6 was going anywhere from 131 to 146.  When I hit it solid, I hit it well, but I was less consistent with it. 
Then we hit driver (G410+) and got the distance on that around 205 on average.   So worked our way down from there finding a club that would go 185 to 190 (SFT 3W)  then 170 to 180 (SFT 7 Wood)  then 160-165 (9W), Then 150' to 155 (5 hybrid) finally 140 to 145 (6 hybid)---The club I made a hole in one on a couple weeks ago...distance to flag?......147 yards. 
 
Like Rev said, a lot of attetnion was paid to the flight as well, if I hit a iron or FW too low, we looked for options in shaft, or lofts settings to get them up, but the only one we had to adjust there was the 3w going with 17 degree. 
 


To be clear those are all carry distances, correct?
@Stroker it’s not a swing speed issue for the 6 iron, it’s an AoA issue if you want to call it that. My shallow AoA produces a nice, medium high baby draw. My SS is over 80 with 6 iron which is fine. When I’m on I carry it in the high 150’s and it runs out to 165.

In the long run I think the 6 will stay in over the hybrid.

The 9 wood is silly. Just came from the range - IMG_1113.JPG

Ripped all of these out of the rough peppering a flag that was 177 away - no way that happened with the old 5 hybrid it replaced.


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27 minutes ago, revkev said:

 


To be clear those are all carry distances, correct?
@Stroker it’s not a swing speed issue for the 6 iron, it’s an AoA issue if you want to call it that. My shallow AoA produces a nice, medium high baby draw. My SS is over 80 with 6 iron which is fine. When I’m on I carry it in the high 150’s and it runs out to 165.

In the long run I think the 6 will stay in over the hybrid.

The 9 wood is silly. Just came from the range - IMG_1113.JPG

Ripped all of these out of the rough peppering a flag that was 177 away - no way that happened with the old 5 hybrid it replaced.


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Yes, those are carry, I'm a short hitter 🙂

 

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So this is pretty cool - so far we have a Crossover and a 9 Wood in play. My struggles with the hybrid are well documented so color me very interested in how both of those clubs perform out on the course for our testers.


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My fitting process was a very interesting one, which I'll elaborate on later. But, like you, I also struggle with hybrids for whatever reason. So, there will be a couple crossovers being taken for a spin.
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1 hour ago, Rchang said:

Would wonder what makes a fitter pick hybrid vs similar lofted wood. Mark Crossfield just did a video about more pGA pros going for 7 woods vs the Europeans who used hybrids due to wanting different launch

Yeah, I'd also like to hear what the testers learned from their fittings about this!

AFAIK at this point, and as a gross over-generalization, in general for most players a hybrid will launch lower and with less spin, so you will get generally get more rollout vs a wood which will, in general, launch higher and spin more so less rollout. So which club depends on _what_ gap / shot types you're trying to fill.

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Stage 1 is officially up! Hope you all enjoy it! Stay tuned for fitting results!

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Stage 1 is officially up! Hope you all enjoy it! Stay tuned for fitting results!


So I think I have tears over that picture of you and your girls.

You guys are killing it. I can’t do pictures like any of you. Can’t wait for Aquaman’s stage 1. Did the G400 driver with him and he was easily the best.


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So I think I have tears over that picture of you and your girls.

You guys are killing it. I can’t do pictures like any of you. Can’t wait for Aquaman’s stage 1. Did the G400 driver with him and he was easily the best.


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It’s an older picture too but one of my favorites. Crazy to think they’ll be turning 4 this September!


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I bought a 2 Crossover a few months ago - I ordered it at 40" 1 degree weak (18) with the Even Flow Blue shaft and it is amazing. I use it off the tee a lot and it's equally good off the deck but I never tried the G410 hybrid. Can any of you share your experiences in terms of comparison between the two in similar lofts?


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4 hours ago, cksurfdude said:

Yeah, I'd also like to hear what the testers learned from their fittings about this!

AFAIK at this point, and as a gross over-generalization, in general for most players a hybrid will launch lower and with less spin, so you will get generally get more rollout vs a wood which will, in general, launch higher and spin more so less rollout. So which club depends on _what_ gap / shot types you're trying to fill.

Not neccesarily.  "Ideally" the clubs should all reach a very similar Apex.   Hybrids are considered more of a scoring club than a FW. So on a distance you would hope to have a realistic chance of hitting the green a hybrid would more likely be the choice. 

FW are more distance clubs or for off the tee on shorter/tighter tee shots. 

Also hybrids should all things being equal be more accurate and controllable out of the rough.  

All that said it comes down to a distance you are trying to achieve.  Say for shorter hitter like me.  175 yards.  From that distance I'm probably  more concerned about making a solid strike and realize my chances of a GIR are pretty slim.   So go with tbrire forgiving uption....7 wood vs a probably 3 hybrid. 

But from 155 just reverse all that and I will probably be better off with a 5 hybrid than 9 wood....again In theory. 

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13 minutes ago, golfertrb said:

I bought a 2 Crossover a few months ago - I ordered it at 40" 1 degree weak (18) with the Even Flow Blue shaft and it is amazing. I use it off the tee a lot and it's equally good off the deck but I never tried the G410 hybrid. Can any of you share your experiences in terms of comparison between the two in similar lofts?


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While I don't have the Crossover and hybrid in the same loft I can tell you for sure a huge difference will be in the sound. Since you already have a Crossover you know that they sound...unique, haha! I'd tend to think the hybrid would be longer, but I think that would be largely dependent on the setup of the two clubs. 

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Not neccesarily.  "Ideally" the clubs should all reach a very similar Apex.   Hybrids are considered more of a scoring club than a FW. So on a distance you would hope to have a realistic chance of hitting the green a hybrid would more likely be the choice. 

FW are more distance clubs or for off the tee on shorter/tighter tee shots. 

Also hybrids should all things being equal be more accurate and controllable out of the rough.  

All that said it comes down to a distance you are trying to achieve.  Say for shorter hitter like me.  175 yards.  From that distance I'm probably  more concerned about making a solid strike and realize my chances of a GIR are pretty slim.   So go with tbrire forgiving uption....7 wood vs a probably 3 hybrid. 

But from 155 just reverse all that and I will probably be better off with a 5 hybrid than 9 wood....again In theory. 

 

So as much as I love this guy I’m going to disagree - I’m a lower handicap player - I not only want to hit the green from 175, I want a look at birdie - if I’m going to compete at recommended yardage for my age I’m going to have some shots from 175 to 210.

 

How often I succeed matters to guys like me and mid cappers too.

 

My first time on a course that will require those shots under stress will be Saturday. I will get pictures and stats!

 

 

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8 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Not neccesarily.  "Ideally" the clubs should all reach a very similar Apex.   Hybrids are considered more of a scoring club than a FW. So on a distance you would hope to have a realistic chance of hitting the green a hybrid would more likely be the choice. 

FW are more distance clubs or for off the tee on shorter/tighter tee shots. 

Also hybrids should all things being equal be more accurate and controllable out of the rough.  

All that said it comes down to a distance you are trying to achieve.  Say for shorter hitter like me.  175 yards.  From that distance I'm probably  more concerned about making a solid strike and realize my chances of a GIR are pretty slim.   So go with tbrire forgiving uption....7 wood vs a probably 3 hybrid. 

But from 155 just reverse all that and I will probably be better off with a 5 hybrid than 9 wood....again In theory. 

A lot of pros carry a 5 wood over a hybrid because it launches easier, has a steeper angle of descent and generally has a flatter lie angle 

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6 hours ago, revkev said:

 

So as much as I love this guy I’m going to disagree - I’m a lower handicap player - I not only want to hit the green from 175, I want a look at birdie - if I’m going to compete at recommended yardage for my age I’m going to have some shots from 175 to 210.

 

How often I succeed matters to guys like me and mid cappers too.

 

My first time on a course that will require those shots under stress will be Saturday. I will get pictures and stats!

 

 

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2 minutes ago, jlukes said:

A lot of pros carry a 5 wood over a hybrid because it launches easier, has a steeper angle of descent and generally has a flatter lie angle 

You both make good points.  A point I was even thinking about as I posted my thoughts.   

As someone who is about as far from a tour player or even low single digit like you guys.  My game is different. 

I guess to exolain my experiences a bit better.   You could look at it as both my hybrids and FW move down a segment in my bag comparwd to longer players.   Meaning my 150 club in my current set up is probably the 6 hybrid.  Where for guys like you its probably an 8 or 9 iron.  

Same for deal for FW.  I guess what I was trying to convey and maybe I made it too broad of statement.   With a hybrid, I totally expect to hit the green. 

With my lowest FW (9) I HOPE to hit the green but if I get pin high in a reasonable chip distance.  I can live with that.  

They do tend however to fly a bit higher as well the more I look back on it.  

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5 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

 

You both make good points.  A point I was even thinking about as I posted my thoughts.   

As someone who is about as far from a tour player or even low single digit like you guys.  My game is different. 

I guess to exolain my experiences a bit better.   You could look at it as both my hybrids and FW move down a segment in my bag comparwd to longer players.   Meaning my 150 club in my current set up is probably the 6 hybrid.  Where for guys like you its probably an 8 or 9 iron.  

Same for deal for FW.  I guess what I was trying to convey and maybe I made it too broad of statement.   With a hybrid, I totally expect to hit the green. 

With my lowest FW (9) I HOPE to hit the green but if I get pin high in a reasonable chip distance.  I can live with that.  

They do tend however to fly a bit higher as well the more I look back on it.  

Crossfield just did a great video on the 5 wood vs the hybrid and he said he carries hybrids for the same reason you do - he feels he can be more precise with them.

 

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I love the start, fellas!

This might be one of my all-time favorite tests. Maybe it's because this part of my bag had such glaring gaps for so many years - mostly resolved now, but I feel like I could certainly benefit from the information you guy will provide and the process you are going though.

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16 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Yes, those are carry, I'm a short hitter 🙂

 

We are all short hitters compared to someone else....

That's one heck of a fitting you got on your full bag though. Gotta be excited knowing that you're dialed in and confident at each distance. We'll be anticipating a HDCP drop in the coming months!

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13 minutes ago, JonMUSC08 said:

We are all short hitters compared to someone else....

That's one heck of a fitting you got on your full bag though. Gotta be excited knowing that you're dialed in and confident at each distance. We'll be anticipating a HDCP drop in the coming months!

Thanks, I've already seen a drop for 21 at the beginning of the season to 16.7 currently.   Now some of that has been due to a couple times I month play in a league that plays 5800 yards vs the other times a league plays at 6100-6200.   

But no doubt the addition of the 7 and 9 FW have been a huge help. 

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On 6/25/2019 at 8:23 AM, mr.hicksta said:

Ping Long Game/Gap Testing - Stage 1

Hey MGS! I’m Josh, aka mr.hicksta, and like many others around here, I’m a golf junkie! I’m an active duty Navy officer and I have been playing golf for the 19+ years I’ve been serving.

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I'm extremely grateful to MGS and Ping for the opportunity to test some fantastic clubs and I'm excited to share the experience with the forum! Since fall of 2015 I have been able to practice and play consistently and my overall game is the best it has ever been as a result. Now it is certainly not perfect, but I feel like it is pretty well rounded given the amount of time I put into improving. On the course, I like to keep things light and try not to take this game so seriously despite my sometimes gruff exterior. I get hard on myself from time to time, but I aim to be a person that others would like to play with regularly and I feel like I’ve done a good job of that. As for this crazy game, I love it because it mirrors life in a lot of ways. I like to say you could play the same course for 10 days straight and it would be different every time!    

With my current setup I’ve tinkered with the driver and putter, but nothing else has changed. The FW spot is easily the most fluid spot in my bag and has been a source of frustration for years. My hybrid has been one of my most consistent clubs and my 4i is spotty. To give readers a better idea of my gapping at the top of my bag, check out the spreadsheet below that is from my ‘Golf Equipment’ tracker (#golfnerdalert). FYI, the G410 3H is not listed because it is currently on the sideline!   

Club

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Length

Lie

Offset

Weight

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Notes

Distances

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45"

57.5º

 

70g

D0

3.6

ACCRA TZ5 65 M4

Tipped 1/2”

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Ping G410 3W

14.5º

43"

56.5º

 

76g

D2

4

MCA Tensei CK Blue 70 S

 

230-250

Ping G410 2H

18.5º

40.75"

57º

 

79g

D2

3.1

MCA Tensei CK Pro Blue 80 S

 

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Ping G410 4 Crossover

23º

39.25"

59.9º

0.18

79g

D2

3.1

MCA Tensei CK Pro Blue 80 S

 

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Epon AF-505 5i

25º

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61º

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D3

1.5

N.S. Pro Modus³ Tour130 S

L/L checked 06NOV

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My current handicap is 11.5, trending to 11.3. I truly believe if my long game was more consistent I would easily be in the single digits, and I mention this because long term I’m hoping these clubs help me do just that! I’m not a high speed player, but I have an aggressive tempo (meathead issues). This video is my driver swing face on, which should give you an idea of how I move the ball around the course. With that beautiful swing, my typical ball flight is mid to high and my miss lately has been a nasty snap hook. I’d say my current strengths are above average distance off the tee, decent iron player and good putting. My weaknesses are inconsistency off the tee, and the constant struggle to avoid letting old swing habits creep in. As for my typical use of my long game clubs, I regularly use my FW and hybrid off the tee especially if it’s a tight fairway. For longer approaches, I gravitate to my hybrid even if it means I’ll be coming up short as it’s a club I’m very comfortable with.

Based on overall looks and the performance I’ve seen so far, I am a fan of the G410 lineup! Below are the blurbs directly from Ping on what each club brings to the table. Buzzwords and tech jargon aside, I can confirm that these faces are HOT, I’m finding all of them to be quite forgiving and I’m seeing distances I was not seeing with my old clubs.  

G410 FW: “Powered by a forged, maraging steel face, the G410 fairway woods are engineered to launch the ball easily and deliver faster ball speeds on a penetrating trajectory that maximizes distance. A shallower face and efficient CG placement elevate MOI for tighter dispersion.”

My take - This FW is a forgiving distance machine!

G410 Hybrid: “Our first-ever adjustable hybrid allows you to customize your ball flight eight different ways through more loft (+- 1.5˚) and lie combinations for consistently better results. Thinner and more flexible, the maraging-steel face generates faster ball speeds and higher launch so you carry trouble while hitting (and holding) more greens. A larger profile provides added stability and helps elevate MOI heel to toe.”

My take - Added adjustability in an already pleasing shape makes this one of the most versatile hybrids available. 

G410 Crossover: “With a heavier tungsten toe weight for added forgiveness, a maraging-steel face for faster ball speed and max shot height, and a more compact and stable head, PING’s third Crossover family combines the precision and control of an iron with the speed and forgiveness of a hybrid.”

My take - This club is forgiving, unlike most long irons! Oh and did I mention the face is hot? More on that later!

And finally, here are some pics of these beautiful clubs courtesy of my talented wife!

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So what’s next? Between now and Stage 2, I plan on getting more time with my new long game setup, focusing on how they help my long game. I will also be posting about the fitting experience to include what all was discussed, how we determined this setup was right for me and more! Additionally, I’ll be getting some Trackman time and will post those results to give readers more detail on how the G410 FW/hybrid/Crossover line performs. Finally, and most importantly, I will be working to determine whether or not the G410 clubs will be in my bag long term. They’re in there without competition right now, but we’ll see what the numbers and on course performance have to say about that!

I don't know if the pics of your family didn't load the first time I read yours or I just skipped them to see the clubs,  but you have a beautiful family. And thank you for your service!

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On 6/25/2019 at 8:28 AM, PAgolfer2017 said:

Ping Long Game Gapping Testing - Stage 1

First off I wanted to give a huge thank you  to both MyGolfSpy and Ping for this opportunity! 

For those that don’t know me, my name is Josh and I live near Harrisburg, PA with my wife, twin girls, and black lab. I’m a special education teacher in a nearby district, and am currently looking at possible opportunities to move into an assistant principal role. I was born in Seoul, South Korea, but grew up just outside of Pittsburgh. Along with golf I’m big into Pittsburgh sports, photography and music. 

If you have any questions that pop up as you read, feel free to throw them my way!

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As far as golf goes, it’s not something I picked up until after college. I have a cousin who is big into golf, but other than that, nobody in my family was ever a golfer. I’d been to the driving range growing up and was a self proclaimed putt-putt king, but golf was not something I ever took seriously. Once I graduated college and got married, I woke up one day and told my wife I wanted a set of golf clubs. Bought a set of Adams RPM2 irons, found some hand me down woods and putter and I was hooked. This year marks my 7th year golfing (don't ask how many clubs I’ve owned during those 7 years…) and I kick myself often for not starting earlier! My favorite person to golf with has to be my father-in-law. We’ve gotten to golf some great spots, and it’s just an absolute blast. 

I play most of my rounds in the Harrisburg, York, Hershey area. I’m a member at a local course that is a 5 minute drive from my house, but also like to explore some of the other courses in the area. I’m not far from the Maryland border, and like to take the occasional day trip down there to golf with my cousin or fellow Spies!

There are many reasons why I love the game of golf. I love the unique challenge that it presents, and I love how you can play the same golf course 100 times and each of those rounds are never the same.

My current bag makeup prior to fitting.

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No real rhyme or reason to how I chose my setup. When it comes to my fairways, I carry a 3-wood and Heavenwood. Truth be told, the 3-wood never really comes out of the bag, and I have a lot more confidence with my Heavenwood, using it for anything between the 175-210 range.

Current handicap is a 15.3. I tend to hover in the high 80’s to low 90’s, and much of that is dependent on my driver. I fight an over-the-top when I swing, which really makes the driver and fairways a challenge some rounds. My ball flight is one I’d describe as more mid, and my typical miss with woods is to the right (I’m right handed), and my miss with irons/wedges is left. I’ve worked a lot on building a consistent swing this year (feel free to check out the link to my swing thread here) but I still have a way to go. My tempo is definitely on the slower side, though that’s something I’ve focused on improving over the past few months. 

If I had to pick a strength to my game I’d say it would be my putting. I’m not a fantastic putter by any stretch of the imagination, but generally can avoid 3-putts during a round. My biggest weakness would have to be the top end of my bag. My driver is often hit or miss, and I’ve never been confident with the top half of my bag. Once I get to about my 6-iron I can manage, but never had high confidence  in my woods/low irons. Up until this point I’d only carried fairway woods. In the past I’ve tinkered with hybrids but they’ve never stuck. Prior to my fitting I carried a 3-wood, Heavenwood and then 4-AW in irons. 

In terms of looks, I absolutely love the g410 line. I’ve come to love the look of the turbulators, and both fairways and hybrids set up well to the ball. Hybrids definitely have more of a closed look than I’m used to, but still provide confidence at address.

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With the new G410 line, their fairways have a CG that is a little more forward compared to the g400 line, with the goal of increasing stability and provide maximum forgiveness. A new forged face provides more flexing to increase ball speed and the new hosel provides 8 settings offering loft adjustments +/- 1.5*, and lie adjustment up to 3* flatter than standard. Hybrids have the same hosel, and a slightly larger head/shape. Ping also says the deeper tungsten weight helps to maximize forgiveness in the larger head.

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I’ve always been a fan of Ping. I’ve played a number of their drivers (i15, Anser, G30, G400, G410), but outside of the Anser line, have never played a Ping fairway or hybrid, but very excited to spend some time with the g410 line.

Stay tuned for fitting results! As someone who lacks confidence with drivers, fairways, and long irons, I was really excited for this opportunity. The one thing that really intrigued me was whether or not I was playing the right setup (fairways vs hybrids, long irons vs hybrids). I’ve always liked to tinker, but a chance to find out what would work best for me had me really excited!

My goal is to get these on the Skytrak for a bit, and I also have a set of Arccos sensors coming my way to help track my on course game. There are a few holes at my course that give me problems, and these clubs could very well help on certain holes!

What determines whether these earn a spot in my bag is quite simple. I’m not looking for extra yardage. I’m looking for something that will give me the confidence from 175 and out.

 

Nice write up. Love the candid pic with your girls! 

Your position on your swing after using the K vest is a great improvement. You can do some damage from there. 

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      Irons: Love the combo and they feel absolutely amazing. All of them are 1* strong, standard lie and +1/2" Biggest thing I was looking for in making the change was more control. They definitely fly different than P790's but hopefully after an adjustment period they will meet or exceed my expectations. 
      Wedges: A different look from what I am used to but feel is amazing. The shaft on full swings is so easy for me to deliver correctly. 
      Putter: Not a fast revolving door but one that moves some. Have gotten used to the look of the center shaft but still struggling with alignment some. 
      Ball: Titleist PROV1X #23 imprinted with THEZIPR in blue. Have played this ball since its birth and while I have tried many other options nothing has been able to kick it out. 
      Rangefinder: Bushnell PRO X2 
      Glove: Footjoy Weathersof. Love the Ping tour glove but at the rate I go through gloves I just can't justify the price difference.
      Shoes: Ecco Biom G 3 BOA and Biom Hybrid 3 BOA. Most comfortable shoes I have ever worn. 



    • By Golfspy_CG2
      When it comes to PING many things come to mind, quality, engineering, performance and irons are among the first things most people will think of.   And with the release earlier this year of the G410 irons, PING has hit on each one of those characteristics. 
      Following the huge success of the G400 irons, PING has hit a home run with the striking black and red colors of this iron, as well as a being a bit more streamlined in all the right places.   PING has achieved the rare feat of providing an iron that has a profile appealing to even the most discerning of golfers, but yet still offering the forgiveness and help that higher handicaps look for. 

      We are looking for three forum members to join staff member Golfspy_Stroker in testing, reviewing and keeping a set of these G410's built to their custom specs.  Testing will require a nearly two month commitment of putting the irons in play on the course, at the range and providing ongoing commentary in the forum thorough out the process. 
      As an extra bonus to the irons, the selected testers will have the option to choose Golf Pride Tour Velvet grips equipped with Arccos.  The clubs will come with a 99 day free trial to arccos.  After that the tester would be responsible for paying for the subscription in order to continue it.   It will be a great way to add data to your review. 
      PING has opened this testing to all golfers regardless of country of residence.   All you have to do to be eligible for the testing is follow the below instructions.
       
      In a post in this thread please provide the following information...AND DO NOT QUOTE this post when replying!
      First Name/State or Country of residence
      Handicap
      Current irons in Play
      The carry distance of the your 7 iron
      That's it.   Good luck to everybody
      We'll be selecting the testers within the next 10 to 14 days, so check back to see if you've been selected!

      ===========================================================================================
      YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE....

      Please join me in congratulating these members selected from a very large and diverse applicant pool:

      @ballplayer002003
      @GregB135
      @Rickp
      Official announcement here:
      https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/33112-testers-wanted-3-ping-g410-irons/?do=findComment&comment=571106
       
    • By Tom Dundas
      50-12, 54-12, AND 60-14
      Used 3 times.
      $300.00 for the 3.





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