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14 hours ago, Lacassem said:

Saturday! Can’t wait to test it out. Today’s protocol is key for me. Letting that relax happen and shallowing the club, I’ve never had so many pure contact shots in a row in my life

I'm with you.  I've really focused on the first few protocols to work on a good takeaway (used to whip it inside pretty bad), but my attention has definitely pivoted to the shallowing work.  When I do it, I get the nice little baby draw I'm after.  When I don't, dead pull.

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1 hour ago, Getoffmylawn said:

I'm with you.  I've really focused on the first few protocols to work on a good takeaway (used to whip it inside pretty bad), but my attention has definitely pivoted to the shallowing work.  When I do it, I get the nice little baby draw I'm after.  When I don't, dead pull.

This has really helped with my wrist action. My swing relied so much on timing before (still does but less things all coming together at once now). Ive been looking back alot when not hitting any balls when doing the "umbrella" Funny how that one movement clicks and allows so many things to happen.

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1 hour ago, Lacassem said:

This has really helped with my wrist action. My swing relied so much on timing before (still does but less things all coming together at once now). Ive been looking back alot when not hitting any balls when doing the "umbrella" Funny how that one movement clicks and allows so many things to happen.

The umbrella is key. In watching some swing videos I realized I wasn't fighting the PM enough and was getting my arms really behind me. I haven't actually put the PM back on, but having the feeling of going "up the wall," or "standing up the umbrella" got me back on track.

Good on you for sticking with the PM protocols. I need to bring it with me to the range and work some with it.

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1 hour ago, edingc said:

 

Good on you for sticking with the PM protocols. I need to bring it with me to the range and work some with it.

Same here.  I have to admit I’d be a little self-conscious about strapping that thing on and then chunking a bunch of range balls...

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Working my way through the advanced protocols and I'm really enjoying the the work on the backswing and transition to impact.  That umbrella thought really is simple and easy to adopt.  

My hands still want to release through and the band sneaks under if I try a full swing, but my 3/4 and chip pitch shots have been feeling good.  I must be stalling out somewhere with the full swings.  Might set up the video to see if I can capture it.  

I'd like to hit another bucket or two with those partial shots (maybe actually off grass) before getting to the course, but the feel dynamite during practice swings.  

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Finished up my first set of protocols. Actually utilizing it in the range for 3 range session this past week and it’s wonderful. I’ve already noticed and more importantly felt my striking patterns to be much better. Today hit 30 balls with the planemate on and it instantly transferred after taking it off. I utilized both my 8 and 4 iron after removing it and this was several consecutive balls with 1 hosel0A9DC0C5-7EE2-4548-98C8-50D9E686D7F1.jpeg.fabb473d45b6e7cbd06a88eaea9455f4.jpeg

I also had several people come up and ask what I was utilizing when I first strapped in. They were very intrigued.

I am going to continue to revert back to these protocols Probably day 1/3/4 throughout the week and move into the advanced section and see what we see. So far loving  my swing for this year (see what happens on grass)

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Can anyone describe the feeling they get going from the top of the backswing to shallow to ball without PM attached. My head keeps telling me LOOP.

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Can anyone describe the feeling they get going from the top of the backswing to shallow to ball without PM attached. My head keeps telling me LOOP.

Loop makes me want to use my arms too much.

I try to think “relax” as they use in the drills. If I’m rehearsing the move I might try to feel a twist. But I honestly try to avoid swing thought during actual swing and focus on the shot I want to hit.


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7 hours ago, blyth63 said:

Can anyone describe the feeling they get going from the top of the backswing to shallow to ball without PM attached. My head keeps telling me LOOP.

Martin and David continually use the term "let the band win" when using the PlaneMate; to me what they are essentially describing is letting the weight of the clubhead fall.  Structurally speaking then with your hands and arms, it seems to me the only way to do that and maintain the basic structure of your hands and arms is to begin to feel your right elbow (for a right-hander) begin to tuck in to your hip.

My two cents.  I'm with @B.Bostonthough...when on the range go ahead and chase that feeling, but on the course focus on the target not your swing.

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9 hours ago, blyth63 said:

Can anyone describe the feeling they get going from the top of the backswing to shallow to ball without PM attached. My head keeps telling me LOOP.

I’m thinking pendulum for me. I’m thinking of letting that club drop down and my hands/arms are just the guide not the force anymore. 

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Got in protocol 2 in the advanced protocols in today. This video helped a lot as my takeaway (thanks @B.Boston for saying it) is to inside. I noticed it a few into the protocol and corrected.

this one as they said in the protocol video is a workout. Hell of a stretch and this ones going into the routine moving forward.

 

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9 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

Got in protocol 2 in the advanced protocols in today. This video helped a lot as my takeaway (thanks @B.Boston for saying it) is to inside. I noticed it a few into the protocol and corrected.

this one as they said in the protocol video is a workout. Hell of a stretch and this ones going into the routine moving forward.

 

Yeah I think my sides are still a little sore... haha

I really like that one.  I can see that take back to parallel - check - raise the umbrella being my go to feel move in my pre shot routine now.  It's a good feeling one for me.

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15 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

Got in protocol 2 in the advanced protocols in today. This video helped a lot as my takeaway (thanks @B.Boston for saying it) is to inside. I noticed it a few into the protocol and corrected.

this one as they said in the protocol video is a workout. Hell of a stretch and this ones going into the routine moving forward.

 

does it feel like you're standing the club straight up and down and that it's over your right ear?

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14 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:

does it feel like you're standing the club straight up and down and that it's over your right ear?

Over the right ear but it’s pretty vertical. I did the “tension test” as I call it and the club falls on plane it’s a good feeling 

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On 12/16/2020 at 7:00 PM, rbsiedsc said:

Here you go. I tried to take everyone’s advice and try to rotate more and not move my arms as much. 
 

 

The one thing you should do is practice with shoes on!  bare or socked feet don't give you the same feels and also inhibit movement.....

 

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5 minutes ago, chaeslounge said:

The one thing you should do is practice with shoes on!  bare or socked feet don't give you the same feels and also inhibit movement.....

 

Debatable on the bare feet part.  Sean Foley often has his players practice in their bare feet...he's argued that denying a player the built-in stability functions of modern golf shoes trains a player to better grip the ground.

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4 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Debatable on the bare feet part.  Sean Foley often has his players practice in their bare feet...he's argued that denying a player the built-in stability functions of modern golf shoes trains a player to better grip the ground.

I don't disagree with that perhaps on actual grass turf, but it's gotta be tough on your trail toes on a carpeted or hardwood floor....

 

Anyway, sorry folks, kinda reading all the posts on this thread, and haven't provided my personal experience with this swing aid.  I got the Planemate last summer and it's helped me tremendously.  I'm 51 yrs old and basically realized last year that I had been swinging the club incorrectly my entire life (a lot of casting, with thin hits and lots of slices).

Prior to using the PM and watching a lot of youtube instruction videos, I was scoring from 100-110 range, and after the PM, I've brought down my scoring to the low 90s/high 80s last year alone.  I've played about 10 rounds this season, and I shot an 82 so far.  A lot of that improvement was due to the PM.  As people have noted, immediate improvement on the short iron/wedge play.  And then more consistent ball striking with my other clubs after doing the initial protocols.

What I've been working on this spring have been the advanced protocols.  And this is where shallowing of my swing is the goal. I still have a steep swing path, causing slices and thin hits.  Protocol 5 in the advanced protocols, "impact position", really gets at the rolling of the left wrist at the top of backswing or start of downswing, with corresponding right wrist bending like a waiter holding a tray over their shoulder.  Basically what Dusting Johnson does at the top of his backswing - but not as pronounced in my case.  Anyway, that wrist position creates the lag that everyone talks about.  

That wrist position is actually easier for me with the driver/fairway woods than my irons, and where I was basically topping out at 250 yds max on my drives at the beginning of last season, I am now carrying my drive from 260-275 yds with the magical baby draw flight path with more consistency.  I frequently out drive my (younger) buddies by like 60 yards now.

So, from my personal experience, I love the Planemate and try to practice with it before every round and always at the driving range.  

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@Lacassem, have you been able to get on course post-protocols yet?  Or was that the snowed out round you were referring to in another thread...?

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Just a swing in the yard, but this was not immediately after a workout and I’ve never had a path pattern like this.  I’m excited to get to the range/course and see some video hitting balls.  

Pretty sure this would have been a big ol slice since it looks like my face is open... but that usually get cleaned up when I actually have the ball to focus on.

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1 hour ago, Getoffmylawn said:

@Lacassem, have you been able to get on course post-protocols yet?  Or was that the snowed out round you were referring to in another thread...?

Only swings I have taken have been simulator. Was snowed out for my first round of the year. I am hoping to get out this Saturday with my son but well see. I really need some turf interaction to see the changes.

The simulator swings, taken with a grain of salt for the first 9, felt absolutely fantastic and just the feel of the good contact consistently is positive at this point for me.

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