archieadams Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I've used solid, unmilled heads before and am currently gaming an insert, but I've got a demo putter on the way that is a milled head. What are some of the biggest differences and/or adjustments going from the insert to a milled head? Quote Right Handed Driver: Cobra Amp (circa ~2013) 8.5* X-Stiff 19* Hybrid: Cobra King F7 Stiff Irons (4-PW): Titleist AP2 714 X-Stiff 52* Wedge: Vokey SM6 56* Wedge: TaylorMade Tour Preferred 60* Wedge: Vokey SM6 Putter: Nike Method MC-3i Blade Ball: Vice Pro+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Hard to answer without knowing the insert and milling patterns. Feel is basically sound feedback from impact. You can vary the “feel” of a non insert putter by changing face thickness or milling pattern. Inserts can be made if different materials. You could experience no difference to significant different. Basically lots of variable to consider. In general an insert “feels”softer because the sound is more muted and ball doesn’t travel as far due to less energy transfer to the ball mr.hicksta, TR1PTIK, perseveringgolfer and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieadams Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 7 hours ago, cnosil said: Hard to answer without knowing the insert and milling patterns. Feel is basically sound feedback from impact. You can vary the “feel” of a non insert putter by changing face thickness or milling pattern. Inserts can be made if different materials. You could experience no difference to significant different. Basically lots of variable to consider. In general an insert “feels”softer because the sound is more muted and ball doesn’t travel as far due to less energy transfer to the ball Thanks for the reply, sounds like its just a test it and see type deal. The Nike MC-3i I've got now says it has a polymer aluminum insert and does feel very spongy when it hits the ball. I'll be interested to see how the milled putter does comparatively. Quote Right Handed Driver: Cobra Amp (circa ~2013) 8.5* X-Stiff 19* Hybrid: Cobra King F7 Stiff Irons (4-PW): Titleist AP2 714 X-Stiff 52* Wedge: Vokey SM6 56* Wedge: TaylorMade Tour Preferred 60* Wedge: Vokey SM6 Putter: Nike Method MC-3i Blade Ball: Vice Pro+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chershey Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Like cnosil said, it will depend on how the milling is done and what kind of insert we are talking about. It sound like yours may be giving you a softer feel than you like. I currently play a Bettinardi Queen B milling that gives the putter a harder feel and seems to make it easier for me to get the ball to the hole. For some reason I seem to struggle with leaving everything short with soft inserts. Bettinardi makes other millings that feel softer though. It all depends on the model. Maltenator and archieadams 2 Quote Titleist TS3 9.5* w/Accra TZ5 65 X-Stiff Titleist TS3 15* w/Fujikura Ventus 7X Callaway Apex19 Hybrid 20* w/Accra TZ5 95X Callaway Apex19 Hybrid 23* w/Accra TZ5 95X Titleist 718 CB 5 iron w/KBS $Taper X-Stiff Titleist 718 MB 6-PW w/KBS $Taper X-Stiff Titleist SM7 Wedges 50*, 54*, 58* w/KBS $Taper X-Stiff Bettinardi Queen B 10 34.5" Titleist Pro V1 or Snell MTB-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 ... I think insert putters are just much better on most muni's. The ball sits in an ever so slight depression and an insert with roll technology gets the ball rolling faster and truer. I would never go back to a non insert putter. That said, Pro's or those at many CC's playing immaculate greens that are smooth and hard don't need roll technology and as others have said depending on the milling depth, a milled face creates a specific feel you can fine tune to your preference. KurtActual 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieadams Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Ok so after my first round with the demo milled putter, I could definitely feel the difference. It was heavier which I think also helped with my stroke. Overall the milled putter just felt like a solid strike on the ball almost like a driver instead of the spongy feel from the insert. I didn't have any problem with feeling like the ball was jumping off the face either. There were a couple balls I hit off the toe a little that would have jumped way right off the insert that stayed much closer to my line with the milled putter, and one even trickled in the side of the hole. All that to say I really liked the milled putter and will get another couple rounds in with it over then next two weeks before I have to send it back or potentially buy it outright. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Right Handed Driver: Cobra Amp (circa ~2013) 8.5* X-Stiff 19* Hybrid: Cobra King F7 Stiff Irons (4-PW): Titleist AP2 714 X-Stiff 52* Wedge: Vokey SM6 56* Wedge: TaylorMade Tour Preferred 60* Wedge: Vokey SM6 Putter: Nike Method MC-3i Blade Ball: Vice Pro+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsecor Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I played 3 different insert putters and none roll like my Wilson 8802. This putter has to be one of the most under rated milled offerings out there. Not pillow soft or too clicky….right in the middle which gives perfect feedback. ill never roll an insert putter again. I owned pings and camerons and milled is where its at Quote Golf is cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 1:00 PM, archieadams said: I've used solid, unmilled heads before and am currently gaming an insert, but I've got a demo putter on the way that is a milled head. What are some of the biggest differences and/or adjustments going from the insert to a milled head? My previous putter was an Odyssey White Hot Pro and every time I tried out a milled putter in the pro shop (from any company), I always thought they felt and sounded much harsher. It wasn't until I tried the SC Futura putters that I thought there was something comparable to what I had. I assume it's because the face and sole are aluminum instead of some kind of steel. Even still, I tried some of the newer SC Select putters and thought they felt even softer. It really is just dependent on what combination of materials and milling patterns are used as well as the mass properties of the putter. Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesmandan76 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Like cnosil said, it will depend on how the milling is done and what kind of insert we are talking about. It sound like yours may be giving you a softer feel than you like. I currently play a Bettinardi Queen B milling that gives the putter a harder feel and seems to make it easier for me to get the ball to the hole. For some reason I seem to struggle with leaving everything short with soft inserts. Bettinardi makes other millings that feel softer though. It all depends on the model. Leaving everything short, yep. I had an Odyssey tank rossie that was like that. Just a mushy face. It was fine on short putts but the farther i got from the hole the shorter it left them. I like my chipping feel and putting feel to be similar, so it just didn’t work for me. I could use an insert if it were a little bit firmer though.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Driver: TM M1 9.5* 4W: Wishon bent FLAT Irons: Mizuno MP20MB Wedges: 50/55/60 Mizuno Putter: Evnroll ER2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 It's like every other golf club... what works for me will be different than what works for you. Especially true for the putter which is purely a feel club IMO. I was firmly in the camp of non-insert milled putters, but I was also not a very good putter. When I tried the Ping Sigma G, I loved the way the ball came off the face, and I am now a better putter. Could I go back to milled? Certainly, and I might putt just as well if I give it enough time to get used to the different feel, but I'm happy now and don't see me changing. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I tried an insert putter for a few rounds this year and hated it. The feel was terrible - as in no feel. I guess inserts are not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Loads of pro's use inserts! Loads of pro's use milled! It's def a feel thing and regardless of any course you play, Muni or Augusta a day after the Masters, its about confidence in getting a repeatable feel and response from your putter head. Personally I like milled only, never found an insert that worked for me repeatedly and with longevity. silver & black and cnosil 2 Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tider Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I personally like the milled putters better than the inserts. I've bought tons of them and always trade them in because of the soft feel of the inserts. It's a personal preference1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 9/9/2019 at 9:40 AM, Kenny B said: I was firmly in the camp of non-insert milled putters, but I was also not a very good putter. When I tried the Ping Sigma G, I loved the way the ball came off the face, and I am now a better putter. Could I go back to milled? Certainly, and I might putt just as well if I give it enough time to get used to the different feel, but I'm happy now and don't see me changing. One of the guys I play with here in Yuma uses one of those. On an early season hardly anyone on the course round we tried each others putter on every hole; each making putts from both ball positions. I recall his felt fine as compared to my B61 but just had a deaden sound. I've never had a putter fitting. While I'm a firm believer in iron and driver/woods fittings, not sure about putter fittings . I just pulled this graph up from PING and see that the B61 and Sigma G share similar characteristics... except that most eBay ads for the B61 list it as "vintage" . Kenny B 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: One of the guys I play with here in Yuma uses one of those. On an early season hardly anyone on the course round we tried each others putter on every hole; each making putts from both ball positions. I recall his felt fine as compared to my B61 but just had a deaden sound. I've never had a putter fitting. While I'm a firm believer in iron and driver/woods fittings, not sure about putter fittings . I just pulled this graph up from PING and see that the B61 and Sigma G share similar characteristics... except that most eBay ads for the B61 list it as "vintage" . I recommend a putter fitting. I had mine at Ping HQ when I was on my winter trip to someplace warm. When I used the Sigma G Doon, I made everything. It was a no brainer. They don't sell equipment at Ping, but give you the specs and then you order wherever you want. I liked the Doon because of the heavier head. Got a shorter counter-balanced shaft and 71º lie angle. I made everything when I tried it, and it wasn't like the honeymoon I get with drivers. I still love it. JohnSmalls 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 12 hours ago, Kenny B said: I recommend a putter fitting. I had mine at Ping HQ when I was on my winter trip to someplace warm. When I used the Sigma G Doon, I made everything. It was a no brainer. They don't sell equipment at Ping, but give you the specs and then you order wherever you want. I liked the Doon because of the heavier head. Got a shorter counter-balanced shaft and 71º lie angle. I made everything when I tried it, and it wasn't like the honeymoon I get with drivers. I still love it. Do you recall the cost? Having the fitting at PING HQ would be fun. Edit: Just spoke with PING and they do all fittings for free, by PING staff, and, as luck would have it, at the Granite Falls Course in Sun City Grand (where we're currently shopping for our next home) . Apparently they no longer do fittings at HQ's - at least for us mere mortals. Kenny B and JohnSmalls 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 13 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Do you recall the cost? Having the fitting at PING HQ would be fun. Edit: Just spoke with PING and they do all fittings for free, by PING staff, and, as luck would have it, at the Granite Falls Course in Sun City Grand (where we're currently shopping for our next home) . Apparently they no longer do fittings at HQ's - at least for us mere mortals. Yes it was free. I tried irons; the i200 and Ping G were just out, but they weren't any better than what I had at the time... i20. But the putter fitting was interesting with the Ping cradle on the putter and iPhone app. It told me a lot about my stroke. It took some getting used to because I had to hit 5 putts (I think) from ~7 feet(?) without making a practice stroke. I always make 3 practice strokes before a putt. When I tried my Sigma G Doon, I made all 5 putts!! Sold! I had to special order it from a dealer because it was shorter than standard, 71º lie angle, and 4º loft. JohnSmalls and fixyurdivot 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Biggest difference for me between milled and insert putters is distance control. Although I won't say ALL insert putters are the same, I haven't had as good of distance control as I have with the Scotty Newport I have. I'd also say that I'm better with the blade style versus Mallet. When I was fit last spring my best two options were adjusting the scotty (loft/lie and counterweight) or getting the Ping (Sigma 2, which was an insert I did like). It was a must more cost effective move to modify the scotty so that's what I did. Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_L_35 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I just switched from a milled face to the Odyssey Stroke Lab with the White Hot Micro hinge insert and I really love the ability to feel the miss-hits when I am not striking it true and centered GolfSpy BOS 1 Quote M5 9 deg [Project X Evenflow Black 65g] // SIM Max 3w 15 deg [Fujikura Ventus Blue 5-R] // JPX 919 5i-PW // ATV Grind Wedges 52-60 [KBS Tour Steel] // Stroke Lab 7 // TP5 // BRD-4 [Cart-Red-Gray] // CodeChaos [White-Red] SuperSpeed 2020 Testing Group Initial Driver Swing Speed: 95 mph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, J_L_35 said: I just switched from a milled face to the Odyssey Stroke Lab with the White Hot Micro hinge insert and I really love the ability to feel the miss-hits when I am not striking it true and centered Strange, Its the opposite for me! I can feel my strike location much better on my milled blade putter more than I could on my old White Hot Rossie. I've only rolled a Stroke Lab putter once or twice so not sure if there's more feel on those. cnosil 1 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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