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That last trade between Undershooter30  6-4   and Goaliewales14   3-7  is BOGUS.

I know there is no money on the line but that trade is ridiculous🏈

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That last trade between Undershooter30  6-4   and Goaliewales14   3-7  is BOGUS.
I know there is no money on the line but that trade is ridiculous
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I just looked at it and while I agree that it definitely benefits Undershooter more, I don’t believe that it is bogus. The key to any trade is who initiated it, which will usually tell you who may give up more to get the player they want.
Now with that said, I love trades and I wouldn’t have done that trade if I was Goaliewales14. Even if Connor will be an every down back now with Samuels out.


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1 hour ago, daviddvm said:

That last trade between Undershooter30  6-4   and Goaliewales14   3-7  is BOGUS.

I know there is no money on the line but that trade is ridiculous🏈

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There was no collusion. Calm down and get your panties out of a bunch.

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2 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:


I just looked at it and while I agree that it definitely benefits Undershooter more, I don’t believe that it is bogus. The key to any trade is who initiated it, which will usually tell you who may give up more to get the player they want.
Now with that said, I love trades and I wouldn’t have done that trade if I was Goaliewales14. Even if Connor will be an every down back now with Samuels out.


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Yes, Conner was considered the best player in the trade and on both teams. 

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Yes, Conner was considered the best player in the trade and on both teams. 
Fair enough. Like I said I have no problem with the trade at all. I was just pointing out if it would have been me I wouldn't have done it. I probably would have left Coleman out of it or asked for Jacobs to be included but that is just me. That is what I love about fantasy football, everybody values players differently. It makes trading that much more interesting.

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If there was any money involved in this league and this trade was approved by the commissioner I would protest any results on going.

So you two are saying  Goaliewales14 is a duffus so it is okay. BS

And Deandre Hopkins is by far the best player in that deal and Mark Ingram has out scored Conners all year plus two players from Undershooter are injured,

Come on MAN ! 🏈 

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1 minute ago, blackngold_blood said:

Fair enough. Like I said I have no problem with the trade at all. I was just pointing out if it would have been me I wouldn't have done it. I probably would have left Coleman out of it or asked for Jacobs to be included but that is just me. That is what I love about fantasy football, everybody values players differently. It makes trading that much more interesting.

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Agreed, people see things differently. I personally wouldn't have made quite a few of the trades that have been made this year. Doesn't mean that their bogus.

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1 minute ago, daviddvm said:

If there was any money involved in this league and this trade was approved by the commissioner I would protest any results on going.

So you two are saying  Goaliewales14 is a duffus so it is okay. BS

And Deandre Hopkins is by far the best player in that deal and Mark Ingram has out scored Conners all year plus two players from Undershooter are injured,

Come on MAN ! 🏈 

You realize that the trades are approved by the commissioners right? As in, it had to go through 3 of them?

 

Protest all you like. You're prolly the guy that vetos trades because he thinks it's helping a team he's playing that week too much. SMH

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I've got a problem with the 3 of them.

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13 minutes ago, daviddvm said:

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You should've posted a pic of his brother since you're crying about collusion so much. 

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I never mentioned collusion...but YOU did🤔

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If there was any money involved in this league and this trade was approved by the commissioner I would protest any results on going.
So you two are saying  Goaliewales14 is a duffus so it is okay. BS
And Deandre Hopkins is by far the best player in that deal and Mark Ingram has out scored Conners all year plus two players from Undershooter are injured,
Come on MAN !  
Hold on a sec. I never said Goaliewales14 is a dufus and never will. I don't roll that way. What I did say is I wouldn't have done that trade.
Now you said Hopkins is the best player in the trade but then say that Ingram has outscored Connor this year. Hopkins is very good but has under achieved this year. Scoring wise he is 3rd best in the deal possibly 4th depending on exact point count ( I just did a quick count in my head).
Again I would have either kept Coleman or added Jacobs to the deal. Maybe did Bell instead of Connor but to each their own.
By the way I not sure why I'm defending a trade I have no part in. Must be bored!

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1 hour ago, daviddvm said:

I never mentioned collusion...but YOU did🤔

Collusion is literally the only reason to veto a trade. Everyone is allowed to make whatever decisions they want with their own team. However good or bad they may be. If you want to veto a trade for selfish purposes, then you completely misunderstand the point of being able to do it.

 

I'm done talking about this. Message the commissioners if you have an actual grievance. As opposed to calling people duffus when your own team is 4-6 and has spent 94% of your faab budget for the season in week 6.

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Actually only approved by two commissioners since You are one of the three.

Bogus.

It's okay this is supposed to be just for fun...I figure fair play would be the object, make your own bed Bro.  

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3 minutes ago, daviddvm said:

Actually only approved by two commissioners since You are one of the three.

Bogus.

It's okay this is supposed to be just for fun...I figure fair play would be the object, make your own bed Bro.  

Ok, cool. Hook'em. 

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Last few posts are a pretty good example of why we should use a Slack channel instead of the forum for fantasy chat (both golf and football).... I'll research setting something up if everyone can agree to have these types of discussions off-line instead of on the forum.

Doesn't really add any value to those that aren't involved and can kind of dirty up the timeline.

Thoughts?

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32 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

Last few posts are a pretty good example of why we should use a Slack channel instead of the forum for fantasy chat (both golf and football).... I'll research setting something up if everyone can agree to have these types of discussions off-line instead of on the forum.

Doesn't really add any value to those that aren't involved and can kind of dirty up the timeline.

Thoughts?

I like your thinking.

I will add though in the two years I've been part of fantasy here this is the first set of I'll just call it messy messages I've seen. It seems to police itself fairly well for the most part. 

Differing opinions are bound to happen, but in the end we are all doing this for the enjoyment of it (especially is circus guys) and with a hope of a golden ticket!

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Ok, in an attempt to bring some light as to this last page of conversation, I've volunteered to peel back the curtain on what it is we as commissioners do, how these trades are processed, and the workings into the specifics of the above referenced deal.

First, as you can probably guess, @GolfSpy STUDque, @Undershooter and myself have a long running Twitter DM thread to discuss the league, happenings, adjustments we can make and yes, discuss our teams and potential trades. Sometimes we express interest and wonderment in the amount of FAAB dollars spent on certain players, sometimes we discuss our own start/sit dilemmas, sometimes we share the dopest of memes. But mostly, we're discussing either how to improve the league experience or discussing trades.

Now, the reason the trade systems works as it does it actually a pretty simple explanation. We're all adults here, if we agree to make a trade, my belief is that it should be evaluated, but ultimately, we shouldn't stand in the way of your agreement happening. Take it from an attorney who works in negotiating settlements for custody on a daily basis. If the parties agree, the parties agree and the court, or in our case, the commissioners, shouldn't get in the way of that agreement. 

But let's go deeper, because of something that was said:

12 hours ago, daviddvm said:

Actually only approved by two commissioners since You are one of the three.

Bogus.

It's okay this is supposed to be just for fun...I figure fair play would be the object, make your own bed Bro.  

 First, let me explain the logical fallacy on display here, just to prove a point. This trade was approved by all three commissioners, because Undershooter agreed to it by approving the trade with Goaliewales through the trade network. But, to place concerns at rest, I can tell you for absolute fact that Undershooter did not approve of this trade through the Fantrax system, I did. The reason for that is simple,. To eliminate bias and concern, in our Twitter thread when a trade involving one of the commissioners takes place, that commissioner is required to ask one of the other commissioners to approve the trade in Fantrax to eliminate the aspect of self-dealing people are discussing here. So any trade involving me is approved by either Stud or US, any trade involving Undershooter is approved by myself or Stud, and any trade involving Stud is approved by either myself or US. All other trades are open to acceptance for whomever is online at the time.

Lastly, let's discuss the specifics of the trade in question. What I can tell you is that Goaliewales and Undershooter each made lists as to who they valued on each other's rosters and began structuring a deal around those wants. Now, you can argue the value of these ratings and how they jive with your evaluation or expert evaluations of players and their abilities, but Goaliewales got the players he desired to obtain from Undershooter and was willing to trade a disappointing WR who has high end WR1 capabilities to do it. He felt the need to try and make a move to improve his position at 3-7 and I'm not going to fault him for that. Fortune favors the bold and if he's right in his assessments of talent, he's got guys who may be able to turn his season around instead of relying on a guy who hasn't delivered for him and an injured Drew Brees. 

So, that's the first and last word on this from the commissioners of the league. I wish everyone good luck in week 6, may your touchdowns be plenty!

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