FrogginBullfish Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Nice W from JT. Medinah never stood a chance this week. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app PMookie 1 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 One more. Wonder if we will get a -30 for the week, and winner?How are the majors only worth pennies in relation to these playoffs points wise? Makes absolutely zero sense. Cheapens them if you ask me. These playoff events suck compared to a lot of other tournaments. JohnSmalls, sixcat, PMookie and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 One more. Wonder if we will get a -30 for the week, and winner?How are the majors only worth pennies in relation to these playoffs points wise? Makes absolutely zero sense. Cheapens them if you ask me. These playoff events suck compared to a lot of other tournaments.LoveSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Shankster 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, Shankster said: One more. Wonder if we will get a -30 for the week, and winner? How are the majors only worth pennies in relation to these playoffs points wise? Makes absolutely zero sense. Cheapens them if you ask me. These playoff events suck compared to a lot of other tournaments. Maybe, but at least it's golf . JohnSmalls and TR1PTIK 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 A few take-a-ways from the weekend. Adam Scott agrees with me! Tour courses are mostly hot garbage! Fox golf coverage is better than the rest and only getting better! Just leave Bacon and Faxon in the booth for the US Open! The Cohen Trolio hype has begun! Andy Ogletree is the most Georia Tech looking golfer Georgia Tech has ever had! The FedEx Cup playoffs are hot garbage! How is the Korn Ferry Tour not televised every week? It's far more compelling than the PGA Tour at the moment! Please bring a Ryder Cup to Pinehurst!!!!!!!!! That is all! Rickp, revkev, TR1PTIK and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 One more. Wonder if we will get a -30 for the week, and winner?How are the majors only worth pennies in relation to these playoffs points wise? Makes absolutely zero sense. Cheapens them if you ask me. These playoff events suck compared to a lot of other tournaments.My sentiments exactly - I both get and like the shorter season, don’t mind the three tournament play off but the way they award playoff points and the course choices and set up for the playoffs are for the birds. The points being awarded remind me of Drew Carey’s old show “Whose line is it anyway?” Only here the points matter and it’s a sham. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rickp, Shankster and JohnSmalls 3 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Shankster said: One more. Wonder if we will get a -30 for the week, and winner? How are the majors only worth pennies in relation to these playoffs points wise? Makes absolutely zero sense. Cheapens them if you ask me. These playoff events suck compared to a lot of other tournaments. Just to be certain, you do mean it cheapens the playoff events, right? In my opinion, the "playoffs" should factor in the majors in some way, shape or form. But the Tour will never do that because they don't own or control the majors. Majors are far more valuable than any regular Tour event. Including a contrived "playoff" event. And you're exactly right, several regular Tour events are significantly better than these terrible playoff events. I just can't get into the FedEx Cup. It feels too Nascar-ish to me. I don't think a lot of the players would even play those events if they weren't paying out $15 million to the winner. As I said in a previous post, the Korn Ferry events are far more compelling. Those guys are playing for their livelihood. JohnSmalls, Shankster and revkev 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Curious where you stand with the Bridgestone Contest?? JohnSmalls and cnosil 2 Quote In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Majors will always be the gold standard. That being said, the FedEx Cup playoffs are designed to reward season long excellence. The majors hand out 100 more points than standard events to the winner. The reason the playoff events quadruple points is to give the players who just make it to the playoffs a chance to make it to the Tour Championship and maybe potentially win it all. If they didn't multiply the points come playoffs, if 125 wins the first event, he might not even get into the BMW. Think of it like an 8 seed in the NBA or NHL or a 5 or 6 seed in the MLB or NFL winning the championship.One more. Wonder if we will get a -30 for the week, and winner?How are the majors only worth pennies in relation to these playoffs points wise? Makes absolutely zero sense. Cheapens them if you ask me. These playoff events suck compared to a lot of other tournaments.Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I think Adam Scott makes some fair points on the whole but Medinah isn't a walk in the park regularly. Until Friday the course record was 65. It's just environmental factors outside the control of the superintendents that led the course to be really soft. No matter the 7600+ yards or the narrow fairways or the 4 inch thick rough, it's just not going to stop these guys from going low when conditions are that soft.Sure it would have helped if they could have had some more difficult tee shots but if the course was firm I doubt we'd have seen a course record set at all, let alone three days in a row. A few take-a-ways from the weekend. Adam Scott agrees with me! Tour courses are mostly hot garbage! Fox golf coverage is better than the rest and only getting better! Just leave Bacon and Faxon in the booth for the US Open! The Cohen Trolio hype has begun! Andy Ogletree is the most Georia Tech looking golfer Georgia Tech has ever had! The FedEx Cup playoffs are hot garbage! How is the Korn Ferry Tour not televised every week? It's far more compelling than the PGA Tour at the moment! Please bring a Ryder Cup to Pinehurst!!!!!!!!! That is all!Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Rickp 1 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just to be certain, you do mean it cheapens the playoff events, right? In my opinion, the "playoffs" should factor in the majors in some way, shape or form. But the Tour will never do that because they don't own or control the majors. Majors are far more valuable than any regular Tour event. Including a contrived "playoff" event. And you're exactly right, several regular Tour events are significantly better than these terrible playoff events. I just can't get into the FedEx Cup. It feels too Nascar-ish to me. I don't think a lot of the players would even play those events if they weren't paying out $15 million to the winner. As I said in a previous post, the Korn Ferry events are far more compelling. Those guys are playing for their livelihood.I love the Korn Ferry playoffs - they are so compelling Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy sixcat and Rickp 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamachi Style Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Throughout the BMW, the announcers were like "Wow scores are low, you don't expect this at Medinah, I guess it must be the soft ground" Maybe its the top 70 golfers in the world playing their hearts out?? There was some discussion after the event about the course being too easy and scores being too low. I saw a course with narrow fairways, thick rough, plenty of protective water and sand, diversity in shots needed, etc.. I don't think there was anything unusual about that golf course whatsoever. I think it was a perfect spot for a high level tour event, which has been proven many times in the past. Yes they had some rain and the greens were holding. Problem? Would you rather have it like the US Open last year where you hit a 2 foot putt and it rolls 20 ft and falls off the green? Is that even golf anymore? It just irks me that low scores apparently can only mean 'the course was too easy' and not people were putting it all on the line. Take that same course, same conditions, and pick 70 golfers from this forum. Scores still too low? Rickp and STUDque 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 15 hours ago, FrogginBullfish said: That being said, the FedEx Cup playoffs are designed to reward season long excellence. I understand wanting to reward consistent, high-level play, but I would argue the format is bad. I think we would all agree this season was not great for JT (0 top 10's since March, 0 wins until last weekend), yet he finds himself at the top of the leaderboard with a two stroke head start. sixcat 1 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just to be certain, you do mean it cheapens the playoff events, right? In my opinion, the "playoffs" should factor in the majors in some way, shape or form. But the Tour will never do that because they don't own or control the majors. Majors are far more valuable than any regular Tour event. Including a contrived "playoff" event. And you're exactly right, several regular Tour events are significantly better than these terrible playoff events. I just can't get into the FedEx Cup. It feels too Nascar-ish to me. I don't think a lot of the players would even play those events if they weren't paying out $15 million to the winner. As I said in a previous post, the Korn Ferry events are far more compelling. Those guys are playing for their livelihood.Cheapens both. The playoffs are a joke. But when you get 1500 points for winning one of them, it is worth more $ than the majors, and it shouldn’t be.Majors will always be king. But this system is terrible. JT didn’t play for a LONG time this year and he is in a position to win it all.Whilst BK has won a major and finished very high on the board at the rest of them. And Tiger missing the final event will be a huge blow to their revenue. I really don’t care because besides the Masters his season was nothing.I could go on for hours about this... MaxEntropy and sixcat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, Shankster said: Cheapens both. The playoffs are a joke. But when you get 1500 points for winning one of them, it is worth more $ than the majors, and it shouldn’t be. Majors will always be king. But this system is terrible. JT didn’t play for a LONG time this year and he is in a position to win it all. Whilst BK has won a major and finished very high on the board at the rest of them. And Tiger missing the final event will be a huge blow to their revenue. I really don’t care because besides the Masters his season was nothing. I could go on for hours about this... I believe value happens organically. Much in the same way the majors came to be considered "majors." You can't assign value to anything that depends upon a fanbase for legitimacy. Even though the Tour tries to convince us of the importance of certain events like The Players and awesomeness of certain courses like TPC anything. Fan reaction will tell the story of a tournament's value. With that said, I believe the FedEx playoff mess shows the value of the majors. Every major championship this year had an increased TV viewership while the FedEx playoffs are seeing a marked decline. I suspect this week will decline even further, especially over last season given Tiger isn't in the field. Golf Channel had it's most viewed week in it's history during Open Championship week. Anyway, I agree completely that the FedEx system is a joke. Hell, the whole "playoff" system is a joke. But I think it further shines a light on just how special the majors really are. Shankster and Rickp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I've come to accept the No Laying Up position on the Fedex Cup Playoffs (especially this year). From a golfer's viewpoint, it's hot garbage, but if you're a casual fan or even just someone who enjoys a bit of chaos, the entertainment value is that of pure gold (potentially at least). The easy assumption is that the guys who start the week in red numbers before even setting a foot on course will just run away with everything. But, what if we get to see someone on a truly remarkable hot streak climb from the bottom and contend? What if one of the guys with a perceptible advantage now, uses those extra strokes as a means to play more aggressively and fall to the bottom of the leader board? How will the pressure of effectively sleeping on the lead Wednesday night effect JT come Thursday morning? I'm not saying I'm a true believer in the new format, but a deeper look reveals that it could potentially have some upside we hadn't expected. It will be interesting nonetheless and I will be watching as much as I can to see how it plays out. STUDque, Shankster, Hamachi Style and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 The pga tour for whatever reason worries about optics of two winners. They had to make a change. I think the format this year is silly but it did create some added drama as guys had to not only position themselves to get into the final 30 but to starts as close to -10 as possible. the reward for season long consistent play but when reed wins a playoff event and gets ranked in point Ma higher than Rory who had a better year it pokes a hole in that narrative not sure what the tour can do to improve the format but as long as there’s sponsorship money they keep tinkering Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviddvm Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I would agree totally that Majors are what drives the golf viewing needle. I will also argue that every player in golf would love to take that $15 million home! I'm not really a fan of any of the year end playoff or Dubai Cup but it is great for the players themselves. Quote SpeedZone Pars and Stripes 9.5* Driver 14gm weight in back, VENTUS Blue 6-R set to +1* draw. 14.5* Fairway, 18.5* Fairway, 22.5* Fairway. All with Tensei CK Blue R set to +1* draw. 816H1 27* Hybrid w/ Diamana Blue Board 70 HY Stiff Shaft SpeedZoneONE 5 + 6 KBS Tour 80 R SpeedZoneONE 7, 8, 9 KBS Tour 90 R SpeedZoneONE P, G, S KBS Wedge King Black ONE 60* VO8* True Temper Dynamic Gold Black Lamkin Crossline Cord Connect Black Mid-size plus 2 wraps Special Select Newport 2 34" Matador grip -ProV1x Align XL All in a Masters Staff Bag or SpeedZone stand bag #COBRACONNECT CHALLENGE 4 The ONLY One Length Contestant! Tested Prototype Balls Tour B RXS Tested:Black Cat irons 5 - PW UST Mamiya Recoil Graphite Regular +0.5" 1* upright BirdieBall Outdoor Putting Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, daviddvm said: I would agree totally that Majors are what drives the golf viewing needle. I will also argue that every player in golf would love to take that $15 million home! I'm not really a fan of any of the year end playoff or Dubai Cup but it is great for the players themselves. The $15 million is an annuity so, they aren't exactly taking it home right away but it's a nice retirement fund. I get players will make an effort for that amount of money but it doesn't build a legacy. Nobody remembers who won the 2011 FedEx Cup but most of us could name the Major winners from any given year. Rickp, daviddvm, MaxEntropy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 19 hours ago, FrogginBullfish said: I think Adam Scott makes some fair points on the whole but Medinah isn't a walk in the park regularly. Until Friday the course record was 65. It's just environmental factors outside the control of the superintendents that led the course to be really soft. No matter the 7600+ yards or the narrow fairways or the 4 inch thick rough, it's just not going to stop these guys from going low when conditions are that soft. Sure it would have helped if they could have had some more difficult tee shots but if the course was firm I doubt we'd have seen a course record set at all, let alone three days in a row. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app The following are all quotes from last week: Adam Scott: “They haven’t figured out yet that long means nothing to us; you can’t build it long enough…. The driver is the most forgiving club in the bag now; it’s just swing as hard as you can and get it down there far. It’s not a skilful part of the game anymore, and it’s really unfair for some guys who are great drivers of the golf ball.” Brandt Snedeker: “Now the drivers are made so easy to hit that there’s no penalty for swinging as hard as you want to at every driver because it won’t go as far off-line. There’s no penalty for really going all-out on one. That’s changed a lot. I don’t think their talents are showing up as much as they should.” Tiger Woods: “Now you just pull out driver, bomb it down there, and you’re looking for three to four good weeks a year. Today’s equipment, you can maximize a driver and just absolutely bomb it, and some of the guys sacrifice stuff around the greens or short irons for the drive. The driver is the most important club in the bag now just because of the way the game is played.” Andy Johnson: To keep up with the changing game in the aughts, Medinah No. 3 underwent multiple renovations at the hands of “Open Doctor” Rees Jones. His formula was a straightforward extension of philosophies that had worked in the past. Longer holes, deeper bunkers, narrower fairways. This recipe has made Medinah No. 3 nearly unplayable for the average golfer, but it checks all the boxes for what tournament selection committees usually look for in a “championship venue.” In my opinion, golf is changing right before our eyes and the USGA is terrified to enact necessary rollbacks in equipment to keep the integrity of the game intact. The golf ball doesn't spin. Modern drivers are unmissable in the hands of elite players. Talents such as controlling trajectory, spin and approach angles are virtually nonexistent. Cam Champ is famous for prodigious distance. What else can he do? His stats and category rankings suggest....nothing! He is negative in every category of strokes gained except off the tee. So, Tiger is in effect, correct. Guys play in hopes of putting it all together a few weeks a year rather than improving their overall game to be good every week. As for Medinah, Rees Jones made it a difficult golf course before the solid core golf ball. But Medinah hasn't hosted an elite professional stroke play event since the solid core golf ball became commonplace....until now! Couple that with soft conditions, you get record scoring by multiple players. At least that's my take on it. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCoatsOfWax Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 A few of my thoughts on the FedEx Cup Playoffs: Sure the playoffs are "invented" to keep people interested in golf after the 4th major, but it brings out the best and most popular players. That's the best chance for the highest tv ratings. Like it or not, that's important. Personally, I'm going to watch for longer with a BMW Championship field as opposed to a John Deer Classic field. Being the best during the "regular season" doesn't mean you should automatically win in the playoffs. In many sports you'll see the best team fizzle out early in the playoffs (recent example: NHL's 2019 Tampa Bay Lightning). Or, you see a low seed team get hot at the right time and go on a deep playoff run. If I want to see the predictable outcome of the top person winning every single week, I'll watch Formula 1. All they did was translate points standings into stroke-play standings for the Tour Champ. It's not meant to be thought of as the typical 72-hole golf tournament we see every other week. I am excited to see the new format work out this week. Play the last event on a rota of courses Rather than Tour Championship, just call it "The FedEx Cup Final" and be done with it. Bonus item: I look forward to being entertained by the internet belly-aching that will result if the player with the lowest 72 hole (actual) total doesn't win the tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 hours ago, sixcat said: Every major championship this year had an increased TV viewership while the FedEx playoffs are seeing a marked decline. It certainly doesn't help that CBS is no longer on DirecTV Now, AT&T Now, or whatever they're calling themselves. I have seen some of the replays on GC, but have otherwise not seen anything in the last few tournaments. I'm trying to decide on whether to cancel AT&T or get an over-the-air antenna. Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, sixcat said: The following are all quotes from last week: Adam Scott: “They haven’t figured out yet that long means nothing to us; you can’t build it long enough…. The driver is the most forgiving club in the bag now; it’s just swing as hard as you can and get it down there far. It’s not a skilful part of the game anymore, and it’s really unfair for some guys who are great drivers of the golf ball.” Brandt Snedeker: “Now the drivers are made so easy to hit that there’s no penalty for swinging as hard as you want to at every driver because it won’t go as far off-line. There’s no penalty for really going all-out on one. That’s changed a lot. I don’t think their talents are showing up as much as they should.” Tiger Woods: “Now you just pull out driver, bomb it down there, and you’re looking for three to four good weeks a year. Today’s equipment, you can maximize a driver and just absolutely bomb it, and some of the guys sacrifice stuff around the greens or short irons for the drive. The driver is the most important club in the bag now just because of the way the game is played.” Andy Johnson: To keep up with the changing game in the aughts, Medinah No. 3 underwent multiple renovations at the hands of “Open Doctor” Rees Jones. His formula was a straightforward extension of philosophies that had worked in the past. Longer holes, deeper bunkers, narrower fairways. This recipe has made Medinah No. 3 nearly unplayable for the average golfer, but it checks all the boxes for what tournament selection committees usually look for in a “championship venue.” In my opinion, golf is changing right before our eyes and the USGA is terrified to enact necessary rollbacks in equipment to keep the integrity of the game intact. The golf ball doesn't spin. Modern drivers are unmissable in the hands of elite players. Talents such as controlling trajectory, spin and approach angles are virtually nonexistent. Cam Champ is famous for prodigious distance. What else can he do? His stats and category rankings suggest....nothing! He is negative in every category of strokes gained except off the tee. So, Tiger is in effect, correct. Guys play in hopes of putting it all together a few weeks a year rather than improving their overall game to be good every week. As for Medinah, Rees Jones made it a difficult golf course before the solid core golf ball. But Medinah hasn't hosted an elite professional stroke play event since the solid core golf ball became commonplace....until now! Couple that with soft conditions, you get record scoring by multiple players. At least that's my take on it. It’s hosted 2 majors and a Ryder cup in the last 20 years with the last major being 2006. the usga or r&a don’t need to roll back equipment. The pga tour needs to soften the fairways, narrow them and grow the rough just a bit longer. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said: It certainly doesn't help that CBS is no longer on DirecTV Now, AT&T Now, or whatever they're calling themselves. I have seen some of the replays on GC, but have otherwise not seen anything in the last few tournaments. I'm trying to decide on whether to cancel AT&T or get an over-the-air antenna. CBS and At&T reached a 3 year deal a couple weeks ago and it’s now back on Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: CBS and At&T reached a 3 year deal a couple weeks ago and it’s now back on Hmmm. I did not know that. So you're telling me I watched stupid TV Sunday afternoon for no reason? Thanks for the info. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: It’s hosted 2 majors and a Ryder cup in the last 20 years with the last major being 2006. the usga or r&a don’t need to roll back equipment. The pga tour needs to soften the fairways, narrow them and grow the rough just a bit longer. Imagine that, we disagree on another subject! Ryder Cup isn't a stroke play event, as I pointed out in my post! Nearly half the field was still playing either wound or balata balls in 2006 and most certainly were in 1999. As was also referenced in Andy Johnson's piece on The Fried Egg. Average Tour driving distance in 1999 was 272 and 289 in 2006. Vastly different game than what's played on Tour today! I will bow out from further argument with you from here. It's becoming habitual with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 It’s hosted 2 majors and a Ryder cup in the last 20 years with the last major being 2006. the usga or r&a don’t need to roll back equipment. The pga tour needs to soften the fairways, narrow them and grow the rough just a bit longer. I agree with almost this entire post. The tour does need to narrow the fairways and grow the rough, however softening the fairways will always allow a ball that would have bounced out of the fairway to stay in. We seen some of this at Medinah this weekend. Longer courses mean nothing to the guys bombing it 320 especially when said course is as soft as it just was. Drives don’t bounce through the fairway and approaches from the rough stick on the green. That is the whole reason for lower scores at Medinah, no worry about the rough because there was very little roll. I would imagine if it hadn’t of rained, the scores would have been cut in half or more. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote What is in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Dark speed LS 8* set to -1.5* with an Attas Daaas 4x shaft @ 45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: SMS Pros 4-PW with Steelfiber I95s Wedges: SMS 50* T grind with Steelfiber i110s Glide 4.0 46* zz wedge shaft Glide 4.0 E grind 54* zz wedge shaft Putters: Mezz.1 34” 69* lie EV5.1 black 33.5” 69* lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, blackngold_blood said: I agree with almost this entire post. The tour does need to narrow the fairways and grow the rough, however softening the fairways will always allow a ball that would have bounced out of the fairway to stay in. We seen some of this at Medinah this weekend. Longer courses mean nothing to the guys bombing it 320 especially when said course is as soft as it just was. Drives don’t bounce through the fairway and approaches from the rough stick on the green. That is the whole reason for lower scores at Medinah, no worry about the rough because there was very little roll. I would imagine if it hadn’t of rained, the scores would have been cut in half or more. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I agree with what Adam Scott said - you have to make guys shape the ball.... sixcat and GolfSpy_BNG 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X/Wilson Triad Buggy- Clicgear 4.0 Bag- Callaway Org 14/Fairway C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, sixcat said: In my opinion, golf is changing right before our eyes and the USGA is terrified to enact necessary rollbacks in equipment to keep the integrity of the game intact. The golf ball doesn't spin. Modern drivers are unmissable in the hands of elite players. Talents such as controlling trajectory, spin and approach angles are virtually nonexistent. Cam Champ is famous for prodigious distance. What else can he do? His stats and category rankings suggest....nothing! He is negative in every category of strokes gained except off the tee. So, Tiger is in effect, correct. Guys play in hopes of putting it all together a few weeks a year rather than improving their overall game to be good every week. As for Medinah, Rees Jones made it a difficult golf course before the solid core golf ball. But Medinah hasn't hosted an elite professional stroke play event since the solid core golf ball became commonplace....until now! Couple that with soft conditions, you get record scoring by multiple players. At least that's my take on it. I'm typically opposed to equipment rollbacks, but you do make some excellent points and the inclusion of quotes from tour pros is a great touch. It's no doubt a combination of both, but I'm a firm believer that the tour needs to find more interesting courses and change the setup a bit. I'm obviously not a professional, but even I've experienced dramatic shifts in score based on course design. sixcat 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said: I'm typically opposed to equipment rollbacks, but you do make some excellent points and the inclusion of quotes from tour pros is a great touch. It's no doubt a combination of both, but I'm a firm believer that the tour needs to find more interesting courses and change the setup a bit. I'm obviously not a professional, but even I've experienced dramatic shifts in score based on course design. I think that's my biggest issue with "Live Under Par" right now. They essentially play the same golf course 6 out of every 8 weeks. And those courses are further set up to reward bomb and gauge. I readily admit, I am in the minority in thinking the Tour needs to increase width, increase angles and shorten courses. As Adam Scott said, length doesn't matter to those guys. So take length completely away! As for equipment, it would be difficult to roll anything back at this point given R&D money spent by OEM's. Imagine the push-back the governing bodies would receive from OEM's if the scaled the 460cc driver head back to 350cc's? I would imagine it would be quite the scene. I personally believe that ship has sailed. Any attempts at rollbacks at this point would be met with litigation. At any rate, the Tour needs to broaden the spectrum of courses played. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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