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15 hours ago, jayjay0808 said:

I just put in play a Taylormade M6 with an X-Torsion Copper 70X. I had not tried a CB shaft until this and to be honest my numbers in testing were very good. Heading on a weekend golf trip tomorrow and should get 3 rounds in, so I will report back with on course results.

I have the same shaft with an M5. It’s awesome. It feels so smooth throughout the swing. Sometimes shafts feel stiff in the butt or tip, this one feels balanced throughout. Loving this driver setup!

P790s/M5 Driver/F9 3wood/F9 hybrid/MG2 wedges/Ardmore putter

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On 9/13/2019 at 6:15 AM, jddaigneault said:

I have the same shaft with an M5. It’s awesome. It feels so smooth throughout the swing. Sometimes shafts feel stiff in the butt or tip, this one feels balanced throughout. Loving this driver setup!

So I got up for my golf trip and was smoking this thing on the range, got to the 14th hole and the shaft snapped right at the adapter, this is the second time this has happened with this driver. I contacted TM yesterday and their customer service was awesome, and offered to provide me a new driver with my number one option from my fitting which was the Tensei Pro Orange. Should be here in a few days. 

In my bag:

Driver: :honma: TR20 460 9.5* Vizard TR20 60X

Wood: :mizuno-small: ST200 TS Dimana D+PLUS Limited Edition 70X

Hybrids: :mizuno-small: CLK 19* Tensei CK Pro Blue 80TX

Irons: :honma: TW 747 Rose Proto 4-PW Modus Tour 120X

Wedges: :honma: TW-W4 52*, 56*, and 60*Modus Tour 125 Wedge 

Putter: :seemore-small: Nashville Z1C 34"

 Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B X

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1 hour ago, jayjay0808 said:

So I got up for my golf trip and was smoking this thing on the range, got to the 14th hole and the shaft snapped right at the adapter, this is the second time this has happened with this driver. I contacted TM yesterday and their customer service was awesome, and offered to provide me a new driver with my number one option from my fitting which was the Tensei Pro Orange. Should be here in a few days. 

Well that’s insane. Hope that never happens to me! Hopefully no injuries!

P790s/M5 Driver/F9 3wood/F9 hybrid/MG2 wedges/Ardmore putter

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18 minutes ago, jddaigneault said:

Well that’s insane. Hope that never happens to me! Hopefully no injuries!

Luckily not... Was actually close to hitting my fiancée and my buddy's fiancée as they were up by the forward tees. 

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In my bag:

Driver: :honma: TR20 460 9.5* Vizard TR20 60X

Wood: :mizuno-small: ST200 TS Dimana D+PLUS Limited Edition 70X

Hybrids: :mizuno-small: CLK 19* Tensei CK Pro Blue 80TX

Irons: :honma: TW 747 Rose Proto 4-PW Modus Tour 120X

Wedges: :honma: TW-W4 52*, 56*, and 60*Modus Tour 125 Wedge 

Putter: :seemore-small: Nashville Z1C 34"

 Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B X

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Well let;s hope that doesn't happen to my hbp shaft either. It's a KuroKage hbp. Not sure when I'll get back out. I played a few holes last Thurs, but I hadn't played in a month and was hitting everything bad, not just the driver. When I hit it well, it launched. Unfortunately those were rare last week. Gotta get the rust knocked off and use my real swing...

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So first two range sessions with the Tensei Pro Orange and wow feels great and launch looked really good. Going to try and sneak out for a round this weekend... Fingers crossed the weather holds.

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In my bag:

Driver: :honma: TR20 460 9.5* Vizard TR20 60X

Wood: :mizuno-small: ST200 TS Dimana D+PLUS Limited Edition 70X

Hybrids: :mizuno-small: CLK 19* Tensei CK Pro Blue 80TX

Irons: :honma: TW 747 Rose Proto 4-PW Modus Tour 120X

Wedges: :honma: TW-W4 52*, 56*, and 60*Modus Tour 125 Wedge 

Putter: :seemore-small: Nashville Z1C 34"

 Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B X

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I have the Project X HZRDUS smoke yellow and I love it.  I've tried the black and I hated it.  I don't know why it works for me, but its perfect.  Its like night a day.  I can barely get the black off the ground.

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2 hours ago, ACslater said:

I have the Project X HZRDUS smoke yellow and I love it.  I've tried the black and I hated it.  I don't know why it works for me, but its perfect.  Its like night a day.  I can barely get the black off the ground.

The black is beefy in the middle and is very tip stiff. It is designed for aggressive high swing speed golfers. The tip is stiff to the point tour pros were having a hard time turning the ball over which led to the hzrdus red to come out which is a hzrdus black with a softer tip

the Yellow has a straight taper profile and the counterbalance works well with various head weights and golfers with smoother tempo/transitions.

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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  • 5 months later...

Every time I read a posting about counterbalanced shafts they always circle back to the same thing. Adding butt weights, heavier grips. lead tape under the grips, etc.. "Jack used to do it". You guys are missing the point and that's a whole different conversation. Every time you add weight to the butt end of the shaft you are adding to the total weight of the club. Counterbalanced shafts are designed at specific weights to achieve this without increasing total weight. If you have a certain targets your trying to attain, (total weight, swing weight, MOI, etc.) counterbalanced shafts may allow you to reach those targets when standard balanced shafts cannot., My current set up is a Epic Flash SZ, 50 gram Iomic grip, and Fubuki J 59 gram X-stiff at about 45". Because the Fubuki J is very counterbalanced I was able to added about 4 grams to the head,  maintain the feel I want, and stay within the total weight perimeters that fit me best. I could not have done this with standard weight shafts. Set up works great for me. Fubuki J is more counter balanced than most I have tried and is a great shaft. Compared to a VA composites Nemesys that TXG said was their highest balance point shaft and the Fubuki was a full inch higher. 

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Im curious is there a big difference between Hzrdus Smoke Black (non-counter balanced) vs smoke yellow (counter balanced)?   I ask because I ADORE the smoke black (use it on the Epic Flash Subzero and now also in the TM SIM)  and wonder if I would probably also love the smoke yellow as well.  Just curious, as It wasn't available at my fitting.

 

:taylormade-small: SIM Driver 9* | Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 70g

:callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub-Zero 3 Wood | Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 70g

:mizuno-small: MP-20s SEL | Project X LZ 6.0

:callaway-small: Jaws MD5 - 50 Degrees | Dynamic Gold S200

 :cleveland-small: RTX 4  56.10 | 60.9 | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400

:cameron-small:    Special Select 2020 - Newport 2

:bridgestone-small: Tour Bx 2020

 

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21 minutes ago, heribertomaya said:

Im curious is there a big difference between Hzrdus Smoke Black (non-counter balanced) vs smoke yellow (counter balanced)?   I ask because I ADORE the smoke black (use it on the Epic Flash Subzero and now also in the TM SIM)  and wonder if I would probably also love the smoke yellow as well.  Just curious, as It wasn't available at my fitting.

There will be a difference due to the counter balanced vs non. The feels will be different and while both are a low spin and low launch profile the black will be lower of the two. The beef of the black is in the mid section. 
 

the original black was designed for aggressive transitions while the yellow was for a smoother transition. The px website shows similar for the smoke with aggressive for black and moderate for yellow. 

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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5 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

There will be a difference due to the counter balanced vs non. The feels will be different and while both are a low spin and low launch profile the black will be lower of the two. The beef of the black is in the mid section. 
 

the original black was designed for aggressive transitions while the yellow was for a smoother transition. The px website shows similar for the smoke with aggressive for black and moderate for yellow. 

Many thanks for the info!  I guess I wont bother trying the yellow it as I need low spin with driver and the Black already gives me plenty (was even thinking of trying the Green Hulk)

 

:taylormade-small: SIM Driver 9* | Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 70g

:callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub-Zero 3 Wood | Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 70g

:mizuno-small: MP-20s SEL | Project X LZ 6.0

:callaway-small: Jaws MD5 - 50 Degrees | Dynamic Gold S200

 :cleveland-small: RTX 4  56.10 | 60.9 | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400

:cameron-small:    Special Select 2020 - Newport 2

:bridgestone-small: Tour Bx 2020

 

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26 minutes ago, heribertomaya said:

Many thanks for the info!  I guess I wont bother trying the yellow it as I need low spin with driver and the Black already gives me plenty (was even thinking of trying the Green Hulk)

In my experience those who like the black hate the yellow and vice versa. I had/have a quick transition but preferred the yellow.

the green hulk is a beast unto itself. It takes the green which is the stiffest of the hzrdus smoke like and gets even stiffer

Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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I picked up a pair of ProLaunch hbp shafts, 1 red and 1 blue. And I still have the KuroKage hbp I grabbed last summer. I'm gaming an F7+. Now my hurdle is whether or not to try a newer head or stick to my gamer.

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Fubuki J shaft its such an amazing feeling shaft, sooooo smooth you can swing smooth or aggressively and get the same reaction of the shaft. also the Hzrdus yellow handcrafted in my 3wood is an amazing shaft I can really trap the ball well. The bonus with counterbalanced shafts is you can add weight to the head to add more mass and create better ball speed numbers!

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Playing Cobra Speedzone driver and 3 wood with UST Helium Black shafts. Driver is 9 degree set to 8 draw with tour 44inch shaft regular flex. 3 wood is 14.5 degree set to 15.5 with standard length regular flex. Both clubs feel well balanced and are easy to swing. Best woods I've ever owned. Averaging 240 with the driver and 210 with the 3 wood. Not bad for a 74 yr old duffer.

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I keep thinking i will love cb shafts.  Every time I put one in everything goes left.  No idea why.   I just tried smoke yellow, left, left left.   I immediately put the black in and it was dead center.  To me it feels like the butt end of the black is softer.  But I have not really compared the ei curve

Driver: Taylormade SIM Max d 9 with graphite design tour ad xc 6s

Fairway Wood:Taylormade Sim 15 with Graphite design Tour ad iz 6s
Hybrid:  Pxg gen2 19 with hand crafted hzrdus black 85 6.0 and Adams super ls xtd 22 with Diamana s+  stiff

Irons: 5-pw Miura Mc501 with modus 120s pured

Wedges:  Callaway md2 gold 50 Dg tour issue s400 black onyx, Taylormade MG 54 with DG tour issue s400 black onyx, and Taylormade hi toe 59 with modus 120r

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1 hour ago, Hotdocta said:

I keep thinking i will love cb shafts.  Every time I put one in everything goes left.  No idea why.   I just tried smoke yellow, left, left left.   I immediately put the black in and it was dead center.  To me it feels like the butt end of the black is softer.  But I have not really compared the ei curve

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

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I knew it lol.

 

also explains why I like all the other hzrdus better than the yellow.   
 

 

Driver: Taylormade SIM Max d 9 with graphite design tour ad xc 6s

Fairway Wood:Taylormade Sim 15 with Graphite design Tour ad iz 6s
Hybrid:  Pxg gen2 19 with hand crafted hzrdus black 85 6.0 and Adams super ls xtd 22 with Diamana s+  stiff

Irons: 5-pw Miura Mc501 with modus 120s pured

Wedges:  Callaway md2 gold 50 Dg tour issue s400 black onyx, Taylormade MG 54 with DG tour issue s400 black onyx, and Taylormade hi toe 59 with modus 120r

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