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A little moe practice today.

Coming along nicely. Only thing that is taking some getting used to is the alignment.

Definitely works for me, the keeping the club on plane like Bryson is too difficult. But the way Mr. Moe Norman did it is super easy. Scoop the club back inside and let it rip... love it.

Short game strategy will take some work as I’ve said, but so far this is amazing how quickly my body adjusted to this, back pain is nearly gone!

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14 hours ago, Shankster said:

Since going down this fork in the road, I have listened to a one and a half hour podcast about Moe Norman. Ordered a book, and seriously considering joining the Graves Academy stuff.

All of this makes me wonder why I hadn’t done this earlier.

I was a member for many years.  If you need/want any of the Graves equipment they sell or videos, just PM me.  Chances are I have it.

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A little moe practice today.

Coming along nicely. Only thing that is taking some getting used to is the alignment.

Definitely works for me, the keeping the club on plane like Bryson is too difficult. But the way Mr. Moe Norman did it is super easy. Scoop the club back inside and let it rip... love it.

Short game strategy will take some work as I’ve said, but so far this is amazing how quickly my body adjusted to this, back pain is nearly gone!


I love watching videos of Moe hitting balls - so repeatable, so consistent, so easy. It's interesting because Bryson is not what I would consider "easy" - he is clearly a very intelligent young man but his approach to the game seems quite complicated and very different from Moe's. Not meant as a criticism at all - just an honest observation.

Moe was almost child-like and his thoughts were guite uncluttered. Interesting how two very different approaches are quite similar. Really happy for you Alan and I'm looking forward to hearing about your continued success.


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I was a member for many years.  If you need/want any of the Graves equipment they sell or videos, just PM me.  Chances are I have it.


Wow. I appreciate the offer, and might take you up on it at some point. Thanks Kenny!
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I love watching videos of Moe hitting balls - so repeatable, so consistent, so easy. It's interesting because Bryson is not what I would consider "easy" - he is clearly a very intelligent young man but his approach to the game seems quite complicated and very different from Moe's. Not meant as a criticism at all - just an honest observation.

Moe was almost child-like and his thoughts were guite uncluttered. Interesting how two very different approaches are quite similar. Really happy for you Alan and I'm looking forward to hearing about your continued success.


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Agree. The more I’ve been thinking about this. After I got the green light from the doc after my shoulder ordeal I started working on a “Hogan” swing, was one plane, and very flat. But the more I think about it and the “feels” I am getting right now are the exact same as that.

So my “Hogan” swing was really a Moe swing. Or a rendition of it rather. I couldn’t hit the ball crooked with that set up, but I was chasing distance and went back to my old swing with negative results.

This will be a fun journey, especially if I do it correctly and follow some instructions. It really is odd to watch a “normal” swing now. Just one of those l”ah ha” moments were everything clicked. Now I just have to polish it up.
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14 hours ago, Shankster said:

back pain is nearly gone!

This is the best part!  Congrats on finding a swing that gives you relief!

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Agree. The more I’ve been thinking about this. After I got the green light from the doc after my shoulder ordeal I started working on a “Hogan” swing, was one plane, and very flat. But the more I think about it and the “feels” I am getting right now are the exact same as that.

 

So my “Hogan” swing was really a Moe swing. Or a rendition of it rather. I couldn’t hit the ball crooked with that set up, but I was chasing distance and went back to my old swing with negative results.

 

This will be a fun journey, especially if I do it correctly and follow some instructions. It really is odd to watch a “normal” swing now. Just one of those l”ah ha” moments were everything clicked. Now I just have to polish it up.

Hogan was a hooker. If you hook the ball, following Hogan’s tips would be good, but not if you are a slicer.

Moe’s swing straightened out my slice, but I’m getting more distance since I went back to a 2-plane swing. However, I think I now have a hybrid swing which might/might not be a good thing. Still working on it.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Shankster said:

 


Agree. The more I’ve been thinking about this. After I got the green light from the doc after my shoulder ordeal I started working on a “Hogan” swing, was one plane, and very flat. But the more I think about it and the “feels” I am getting right now are the exact same as that.

So my “Hogan” swing was really a Moe swing. Or a rendition of it rather. I couldn’t hit the ball crooked with that set up, but I was chasing distance and went back to my old swing with negative results.

This will be a fun journey, especially if I do it correctly and follow some instructions. It really is odd to watch a “normal” swing now. Just one of those l”ah ha” moments were everything clicked. Now I just have to polish it up.

 

I really love when those types of moments happen in golf - when all just feels right with the world and you feel for just a moment like your swing is your own. That's my constant pursuit - to really own my swing - I really hope you own your "new" one.

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I really love when those types of moments happen in golf - when all just feels right with the world and you feel for just a moment like your swing is your own. That's my constant pursuit - to really own my swing - I really hope you own your "new" one.


Planning on it, watched some highlights of the last playoff event. And I said it earlier, but a “normal” swing just looks so weird to me now.

I’ve also noticed that both of my boys that like golf swing their clubs just like Moe. Maybe they are onto something.
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Well, with golf canceled today because of a tournament. I hit a half of bucket, but I was with the boss and another guy.

Not sure if I wasn’t setting up properly or what, but I was losing them right again.

Distance is there, contact feels great and solid. They were starting dead online then fading off 15-20 yards about midway through flight.

Will be working on set up over the weekend.

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1 hour ago, Shankster said:

Well, with golf canceled today because of a tournament. I hit a half of bucket, but I was with the boss and another guy.

Not sure if I wasn’t setting up properly or what, but I was losing them right again.

Distance is there, contact feels great and solid. They were starting dead online then fading off 15-20 yards about midway through flight.

Will be working on set up over the weekend.

Sounds like a grip issue; might be a little weak.  Or maybe the ball is an inch too far forward in stance.  I tended to do that when I was 1-plane, but I had a little cut; not 15-20y.

If you are setting up with the clubhead off the ball several inches, move from setup to impact position (no backswing) to see the clubhead/ball relationship.  Might be slightly open because you are not releasing the club down the line.

Just my 2 cents from what I remember I did; take it for what it's worth.

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Sounds like a grip issue; might be a little weak.  Or maybe the ball is an inch too far forward in stance.  I tended to do that when I was 1-plane, but I had a little cut; not 15-20y.
If you are setting up with the clubhead off the ball several inches, move from setup to impact position (no backswing) to see the clubhead/ball relationship.  Might be slightly open because you are not releasing the club down the line.
Just my 2 cents from what I remember I did; take it for what it's worth.


Yeah. I haven’t gotten to moving the clubhead away from the ball yet. That just feels too awkward at the moment.

Hit a few out in the yard tonight, I think I was getting a little steep again earlier. Have to tell myself more “around me” then before. I was back to hitting them straight or a slight draw.

Grip is probably a fault too. I noticed I was out in the fingers again too much.

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5 hours ago, Shankster said:

 


Yeah. I haven’t gotten to moving the clubhead away from the ball yet. That just feels too awkward at the moment.

Hit a few out in the yard tonight, I think I was getting a little steep again earlier. Have to tell myself more “around me” then before. I was back to hitting them straight or a slight draw.

Grip is probably a fault too. I noticed I was out in the fingers again too much.

 

Nothing wrong with being in the fingers.  The Moe Norman "palm grip" was exaggerated by Natural Golf to sell their clubs with the fat grips. Moe didn't use that grip in his early years.  Works well if you need to hit straight, but it also reduces the ability to create more lag angle so reduces distance.  

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Nothing wrong with being in the fingers.  The Moe Norman "palm grip" was exaggerated by Natural Golf to sell their clubs with the fat grips. Moe didn't use that grip in his early years.  Works well if you need to hit straight, but it also reduces the ability to create more lag angle so reduces distance.  


The palm grip seemed to be my golden ticket. Unfortunately I had that ah ha moment then didn’t touch a club for a while. I needed to hit about 300 balls that day. Engrain whatever it was I was doing.

Hopefully going to the range today and tomorrow. Too much on the plate for a round this weekend, it’s the last weekend of the kids summer vacation. So ice cream, burgers, and whatever else they want to do takes precedence.
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Got through 2 range buckets today.

Figured out how I need to set up for consistent strikes.

Right hand grip needs to be really strong and the left hand needs to be really weak.

If I set up like that I can get a good hinge and have tons of control over the clubface.

Had a right handers worst wind, off the left at around 15mph the whole session. I was able to keep the ball flight good enough that the ball stayed straight until it neared the ground and the spin started to slow up at the end of its flight.

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After my last round you guys heard about in the “how’d you play” thread, I can say that this new “me” is here to stay for the long haul.

Didn’t lose any distance, actually think I gained some, and it is nice playing from the short grass.

I don’t have it down 100% and never will but the idea of swinging like this is something that I believe struggling golfers should look at.

I’m not a spokesperson for Graves Academy, you all know how much I dislike commercialized stuff...

If you are having issues with your golf swing take a serious look at the one plane idea. Not like Bryson, but like old Moe Norman. It’s stupid easy.

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Glad its working for you. Not sure I understand one swing plane (I assume it's exactly as it says, I'll google).

Whatever works to get the fun back into the game - good luck

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Glad its working for you. Not sure I understand one swing plane (I assume it's exactly as it says, I'll google).
Whatever works to get the fun back into the game - good luck


It’s as simple as returning the club to the ball on the same plane as you set up on, but there are a few things in the set up that change to allow that to happen without making room, and all that other stuff. It really happens naturally with this swing.

Without worrying about early extension, “clearing your hips”, and all the other crap that these instructors are spewing. (Again I am doing a self taught version of it, so I can yell at myself all I want.)

Try at your own risk. But it’s so easy a caveman could and probably did do it. (If they played golf of course).

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I am very intrigued by this.  As a relatively new golfer, anything that adds consistency and simplicity is a plus.  I had already started setting up with my driver a few inches behind the ball and hit it solid almost every time compared to setting the clubhead directly behind the ball, I just don't usually know where it's going to go.  Did you sign up for anything or just watch youtube videos? 

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I am very intrigued by this.  As a relatively new golfer, anything that adds consistency and simplicity is a plus.  I had already started setting up with my driver a few inches behind the ball and hit it solid almost every time compared to setting the clubhead directly behind the ball, I just don't usually know where it's going to go.  Did you sign up for anything or just watch youtube videos? 



Haven’t signed up yet, but I am going to I think.

Kirk Junge

And the Graves fellas have a ton of videos.

I think once you get the basics down it’s easy to get better quickly. But it all depends on what you want out of your golf game.

I actually tried this a few years back before knowing anything about Moe or Bryson or any other one plane kind of swing.

Not saying it’s the best thing since sliced bread. But it’s hard to ignore the benefits of this type of swing.

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