pulledabill Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Confused on how to drop when hitting in to a water hazard behind green. Am I dropping on the stake line if no other relief available? cksurfdude 1 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F9 10.5 Tensei AV Blue 65g 3W- Callway XR PRO 16 stiff 5W- Alpha- Mitsubishi Diamana Redboard w/band Irons- Mizuno JPX 919 Tours with S KBS Tour shafts Hyrbid- TM 4h mid-rescue Vokey- Vokey SM5 51 degrees, SM7 Wedges 54 and 58 1/2 half 3 degrees upright Putter- Taylor Made Rossa Monza Mini Spider Ball-ProV1 and AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Pretty good summary here http://lindamillergolf.blogspot.com/2009/12/ask-linda-174-hazards-behind-greens.html Quote 1. Play it as it lies in the hazard with no penalty. 2. Under penalty of one stroke: a. Play the ball from where you hit your previous stroke. b. Drop a ball behind the hazard (on the side further from the green) on the extension of a line that starts at the hole and passes straight through your ball and extends back to infinity. c. Drop a ball within two club-lengths and not nearer the hole than the point where your original ball crossed the margin of the hazard. (Rule 26-1 also offers the option to drop on the opposite side of the water that is the same distance from the hole as the area you established in option “c.” However, it is unlikely such a point exists for a hazard designated as “lateral” that is behind a green.) Players should always be given at least two relief options for a ball in a water hazard. In the case of a lateral hazard behind a green, if there is no place to drop a ball within two club-lengths of where a ball crosses the margin of the hazard that is not closer to the green, and there is no place to drop on the far side of the hazard (the area may be wooded or out-of-bounds, or the water may be too wide to cross), then one or several drop areas should be provided as a relief option for players who hit into the hazard. It is not the intent of the rules to give a player no choice other than to return to the spot where he hit his previous shot and hit another ball. cksurfdude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 What color stake/line marks the hazard? Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Refer to rule 17 (https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=pe§ion=rule&rulenum=17). Under the new rules, Water Hazards have been superseded by Penalty Areas. There are different relief options depending on what color is used to identify the area - Yellow offers fewer relief options than Red. However, the new rules permit courses to mark all Penalty areas as red to eliminate confusion. For your situation, you are most likely looking at stroke-and-distance relief or back-on-the-line relief. For a little more about the changes directly from the USGA: https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/images/rules/rules-modernization/golf-new-rules/Explanation for Each Major Change in the New Rules of Golf for 2019 (1).pdf Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said: Refer to rule 17 (https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=pe§ion=rule&rulenum=17). Under the new rules, Water Hazards have been superseded by Penalty Areas. There are different relief options depending on what color is used to identify the area - Yellow offers fewer relief options than Red. However, the new rules permit courses to mark all Penalty areas as red to eliminate confusion. For your situation, you are most likely looking at stroke-and-distance relief or back-on-the-line relief. For a little more about the changes directly from the USGA: https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/images/rules/rules-modernization/golf-new-rules/Explanation for Each Major Change in the New Rules of Golf for 2019 (1).pdf As you mentioned, it depends on the "color" of the Penalty Area. In my experience, water behind a green is usually marked as a RED Penalty Area. It might be possible to go on the other side of the water to find the "back on the line" relief, but not always. Similarly, depending on the shape of the Penalty Area, there may be an area that satisfies the "lateral" relief requirements, but sometimes there's isn't any available lateral relief. On some (but not all) courses, there may be a drop area available. In some cases cases, the ONLY option is to take "stroke and distance" relief, and replay the shot. The thing to remember is that there is no guarantee that each of the relief options is available, sometimes one or more of the choices is unavailable. The one relief option that you ALWAYS have is stroke and distance relief. JohnSmalls, GregB135, HardcoreLooper and 2 others 5 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: The one relief option that you ALWAYS have is stroke and distance relief. This is my preferred way to take relief from penalty areas except for when there is a designated drop area. Keeps it simple and fast. The only time I might do different is off a tee or 2nd shot on a par 5 and into a lateral penalty area where lateral relief is an option. DaveP043 and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 59 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: As you mentioned, it depends on the "color" of the Penalty Area. In my experience, water behind a green is usually marked as a RED Penalty Area. It might be possible to go on the other side of the water to find the "back on the line" relief, but not always. Similarly, depending on the shape of the Penalty Area, there may be an area that satisfies the "lateral" relief requirements, but sometimes there's isn't any available lateral relief. On some (but not all) courses, there may be a drop area available. In some cases cases, the ONLY option is to take "stroke and distance" relief, and replay the shot. The thing to remember is that there is no guarantee that each of the relief options is available, sometimes one or more of the choices is unavailable. The one relief option that you ALWAYS have is stroke and distance relief. I play a course that has yellow stake behind the green and it’s a wooded area. Other side of the hazard has no shot to the green so stroke and distance is the best option on that one DaveP043 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I play a course that has yellow stake behind the green and it’s a wooded area. Other side of the hazard has no shot to the green so stroke and distance is the best option on that one In my mind, its unusual to see that kind of marking, but it makes sense in a way. If it was red, people would be taking "lateral" relief even if there wasn't a legitimate relief area available. Since its marked yellow, the don't get to even consider that option. Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 hours ago, DaveP043 said: In my mind, its unusual to see that kind of marking, but it makes sense in a way. If it was red, people would be taking "lateral" relief even if there wasn't a legitimate relief area available. Since its marked yellow, the don't get to even consider that option. Yeah I don’t see it often. Most yellows at courses I play are in the front of hazards going towards the hole Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCoatsOfWax Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I might catch some flak for the following but I believe it's a reasonable & quick way to proceed in a casual round. Estimate where the ball crossed the hazard line (forget the color of the line), drop as close to that as you can reasonably stand & make a swing even if it's technically a few feet closer to the pin, take your penalty, chip onto the green, and finish the hole. Of course follow the rulebook to the letter if this is a tourney or competitive round. But for a casual round, don't hold up the group behind you while trying to do mental rulebook calculus about color of the stakes, extension of lines behind the hazard, etc. silver & black, pulledabill and Smellis745 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulledabill Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 Ive done that. silver & black 1 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F9 10.5 Tensei AV Blue 65g 3W- Callway XR PRO 16 stiff 5W- Alpha- Mitsubishi Diamana Redboard w/band Irons- Mizuno JPX 919 Tours with S KBS Tour shafts Hyrbid- TM 4h mid-rescue Vokey- Vokey SM5 51 degrees, SM7 Wedges 54 and 58 1/2 half 3 degrees upright Putter- Taylor Made Rossa Monza Mini Spider Ball-ProV1 and AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I'm betting most players/groups do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc51 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Question related to this topic: Consider #15 at the Augusta National. Second shot is behind the green. 3rd shot is chipped on to the green and rolls into the water in front of the green. What are the options for the next shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denkea Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 1:53 PM, Doc51 said: Question related to this topic: Consider #15 at the Augusta National. Second shot is behind the green. 3rd shot is chipped on to the green and rolls into the water in front of the green. What are the options for the next shot? Pick the spot it went into the penalty area. Draw a line from that spot to the pin and go back on that line as far as you want. (With your example it would be back in the fairway.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 1:53 PM, Doc51 said: Question related to this topic: Consider #15 at the Augusta National. Second shot is behind the green. 3rd shot is chipped on to the green and rolls into the water in front of the green. What are the options for the next shot? You have the same options as you have if you had come from the other direction. Those options are listed in this thread as copied from the rules of golf. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfRules Questions Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Here is an example of a player taking penalty area relief twice, including his second drop being behind the penalty area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I played a course that has an Island Green on a Par Four. I hit my second shot onto the green and rolled off the back into the hazard. hazard marked With Yellow Stakes. What is my relief? Can I drop on fringe at point if entry or do i have to go back to fairway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Weasel said: I played a course that has an Island Green on a Par Four. I hit my second shot onto the green and rolled off the back into the hazard. hazard marked With Yellow Stakes. What is my relief? Can I drop on fringe at point if entry or do i have to go back to fairway? Rule 17.1(d) says that you have 3 options for a Yellow Penalty Area: 1. Play the ball as it lies, in the Penalty Area 2. Replay the shot (Stroke and Distance Relief) 3. Take relief, keeping the point where the ball last entered the Penalty Area between you and the hole So no, you may not drop on the green side of the Penalty Area. You COULD use #3 and go further back beyond the green, if there's room, otherwise you'd have to replay the shot. Its also possible there's a Dropping Area available as an additional option. Edited October 28, 2021 by DaveP043 Kenny B and cnosil 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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