Swing flaws pros never have

[Big money]

So many unique swing styles win and have won on tour. What is one major amateur flaw that you never see in the top players? 

 

I would say casting. You ?

[DaveP043]

A rival website espouses a system of simple keys, specific things that are present in every good golf swing.  You could look at a relatively steady head, getting the weight on the forward leg at impact, and a relatively straight line from shoulder to clubhead at impact.  Every single Tour player does all three of these consistently well.

To translate that into faults, you don't see these guys sway significantly, you don't see them falling away from the target at impact, and as you suggest, you don't see early extension or casting.

[PlaidJacket]

I'd say that if we could follow each player on every shot throughout the day we'd see many "amateur" moves on the ball from time to time. Those guys hit plenty of bad shots. It's just that we don't get to see that many of them. Granted, these amateur moves might not be as pronounced.... but they make them. Everyone including the best in the game get out of sync sometimes. And when that happens you'll see all sorts of funky movements and poor results.

[DaveP043]

43 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said:

I'd say that if we could follow each player on every shot throughout the day we'd see many "amateur" moves on the ball from time to time. Those guys hit plenty of bad shots. It's just that we don't get to see that many of them. Granted, these amateur moves might not be as pronounced.... but they make them. Everyone including the best in the game get out of sync sometimes. And when that happens you'll see all sorts of funky movements and poor results.

I agree that they all hit poor shots from time to time.  But I wonder if we really could see a different move, or if the differences are so small as to be nearly invisible.  I've always wondered if Peter Kostis could tell the difference between two swings of the same player without knowing in advance what the results of the swings were.  After all, we can all hit great shots with our own individually flawed swings, and those flaws are always there, even when we get the good results.

[RickyBobby_PR]

Just now, DaveP043 said:

I agree that they all hit poor shots from time to time.  But I wonder if we really could see a different move, or if the differences are so small as to be nearly invisible.  I've always wondered if Peter Kostis could tell the difference between two swings of the same player without knowing in advance what the results of the swings were.  After all, we can all hit great shots with our own individually flawed swings, and those flaws are always there, even when we get the good results.

There’s some minor ones see would see. Adam Scott used to move towards the ball a little. They get stuck in the downswing especially tiger, rory and Rickie 

webb Simpson is know for a shank pretty frequently. 

[DaveP043]

1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

There’s some minor ones see would see. Adam Scott used to move towards the ball a little. They get stuck in the downswing especially tiger, rory and Rickie 

webb Simpson is know for a shank pretty frequently. 

We hear about these problems, but are they really visible on video?  Or are they diagnosed based on the player's normal swing pattern and on the result?  Just a simple example is the shank, the difference is something like a half-inch in clubhead path, do you think the cause for the shank would be apparent on video in the sequence leading up to impact?  Getting stuck, don't these players flirt with that on every swing, based on their standard swing mechanics?  Occasionally they'll get a few millimeters or milliseconds off, with a resulting bad shot, but I'm not sure the difference could be noted on video.

Again, I'd love to see Peter Kostis be tested this way.  Give him two videos of the same player, tell him one produced a good shot, one a bad shot (don't specify what the bad shot is) and let him look at the two videos and show the difference.  This won't happen, they want to keep his reputation as a swing expert, but I'd be surprised if he could tell the difference.  And I don't mean anything bad about Kostis, I think he does a good and entertaining job.

[THEZIPR23]

Their swing flaws are there they are just so much smaller than us mere mortals. 

[Shankster]

There’s some minor ones see would see. Adam Scott used to move towards the ball a little. They get stuck in the downswing especially tiger, rory and Rickie 
webb Simpson is know for a shank pretty frequently. 

The Rick Shanks are wondrous to watch. So pure, and the follow through is perfect.

[RickyBobby_PR]

27 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

We hear about these problems, but are they really visible on video?  Or are they diagnosed based on the player's normal swing pattern and on the result?  Just a simple example is the shank, the difference is something like a half-inch in clubhead path, do you think the cause for the shank would be apparent on video in the sequence leading up to impact?  Getting stuck, don't these players flirt with that on every swing, based on their standard swing mechanics?  Occasionally they'll get a few millimeters or milliseconds off, with a resulting bad shot, but I'm not sure the difference could be noted on video.

Again, I'd love to see Peter Kostis be tested this way.  Give him two videos of the same player, tell him one produced a good shot, one a bad shot (don't specify what the bad shot is) and let him look at the two videos and show the difference.  This won't happen, they want to keep his reputation as a swing expert, but I'd be surprised if he could tell the difference.  And I don't mean anything bad about Kostis, I think he does a good and entertaining job.

Watching guys get stuck is pretty visible in tv and in the shot when it happens. Is it close on every swing for Tiger it was more prevelant but he played it well. For Rickie and Rory it’s when they get quick in transition so a lot fewer occurrences although prior to working with the Harmon’s it was an issue for Rickie.

adam Scott would be hard because it was subtle. 

I personally could care less if kostis or anyone did a comparison or even if they have a flaw. We all know that there is no perfect swing and even the best make a bad swing. Sure they are more mechanically sound than amateurs and their miss on the face is minute compared to where and how often amateurs miss.

their big miss comes from a double cross or because of speed goes further offline

[revkev]

I agree with Dave - I bet Kostis would be unable to catch it.

I guess I’m wondering where this is coming from. The secret to a good swing is that it’s repeatable - we see plenty of swings that aren’t exactly orthodox but that repeat.

The secret to being a great player is not only the repeatability but also the ability to score off of your less than perfect shots.


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