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Anyone changed from Stiff to Regular in Driver?

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My SS is about 100mph for Driver.

I play S in irons and fairway/hybrid but struggle with the Driver as I like a light combo and always feel I have to heave the driver into place.

I'd like to experiment with a regular shaft for feel as to where the clubhead is during the swing.

Anyone on here who plays S in irons but R in Driver?


Driver     Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs)  
4 Wood   Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+  :callaway-small: Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex

Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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I changed about 2 years ago now---- For years my shaft in the driver and FWs was the old Pro Force UST Gold 65 or either the Pro Force V-2------ Got to where I could not swing them anymore. most of my irons were S-300s got to where I could not swing them anymore. Right now I hit  Homna R shaft in the driver and the only FW I carry I have a R Diamana. Irons in my classic Macgregors I have the old Hogan Apex #2 steel shafts which is a senior flex but frequencies out at about a modern R-300---- My KZG CBs I am hitting a steel Rifle 5.5. I can still hit stiff shafts in the persimmon drivers and FWs but that is a whole different ball game in weight versus shaft profile. I did play and practice my 1962 Mac FC-4000s Monday with the old heavy stiff Pro Pel shafts. Trust me my back knew it Monday night. 

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Driver Homna  G1- X Stock Homna Regular shaft

4 wood Adams Tight Lies 

20* Hybrid Adams Boxer Ozik Matrix R shaft

24* Hybrid Adams A 10-OS Pro Launch Red R

Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts

SW- Macgregor LRA 56* S-400

Putter 1997 Santa Fe rusty as heck

 

 

 

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Thanks @BIG STU I also had the Proforce V2 for awhile. Great when everything 'clicked' but that was rare.

So what difference have you seen and felt moving from S to R in Driver? mind if I ask your SS


Driver     Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs)  
4 Wood   Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+  :callaway-small: Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex

Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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When I first switched I had to slow down some and basically wait on it. Being a feel player I adapted rather quickly. I do not do the launch monitor thing as a whole. the other week a pro friend of mine was setting up for a lesson and he wanted to check his equipment so I helped him. He asked what I thought my SS was? I told him around 95 or so with the driver. Turns out it is more like 105 with a modern driver and about 107 with persimmon. Now I do not have a long back swing any more and my follow through is not as long as it used to be. But if his equipment is correct that aint too bad for a 62 year old. He did note I generated a lot of speed through the hitting zone. I hit the modern driver about 250 or so with roll out at sea level and the persimmon about 230 with roll out. I actually launch the persimmon a little higher with the modern ball than I do the metal and the persimmon rolls out better

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Driver Homna  G1- X Stock Homna Regular shaft

4 wood Adams Tight Lies 

20* Hybrid Adams Boxer Ozik Matrix R shaft

24* Hybrid Adams A 10-OS Pro Launch Red R

Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts

SW- Macgregor LRA 56* S-400

Putter 1997 Santa Fe rusty as heck

 

 

 

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@perseveringgolfer I asked  a very knowledgeable friend (ex PGA fitter) about that yesterday because I smoothed out and slightly slowed down my swing (same as yours with the driver) and found the fairways more often. Not as far but in the fairway. He said that it wouldn't gain me any length and the dispersion wouldn't be as good as the stiff, I could go with a lighter stiff shaft but he wouldn't recommend it. He's seen me play so I trust his advice. Having said that, I think I still might get another Even Flow Blue in 5.5 and see what happens.


In the bag:
:taylormade-small: M5 Project X Even Flow Blue 6.0
Fairway: Sub 70 939X 15° Project X Even Flow Blue 6.0
:755178188_TourEdge: CBX 119 19° hybrid Project X Even Flow Blue 6.0
:bridgestone-small: Tour B JGR 4-GW UST Mamiya Recoil 680 F4
:cleveland-small: Smartsole S
:yes-small: Tracy
Bag: 
:Ogio: Alpha Convoy 514
Balls::Snell: MTB-X

Cart: :CaddyTek: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8


Testing: :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged 4-GW Project X Catalyst 80 6.0


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56 minutes ago, MattF said:

@perseveringgolfer I asked  a very knowledgeable friend (ex PGA fitter) about that yesterday because I smoothed out and slightly slowed down my swing (same as yours with the driver) and found the fairways more often. Not as far but in the fairway. He said that it wouldn't gain me any length and the dispersion wouldn't be as good as the stiff, I could go with a lighter stiff shaft but he wouldn't recommend it. He's seen me play so I trust his advice. Having said that, I think I still might get another Even Flow Blue in 5.5 and see what happens.

Excellent point.

I'm not a fitter or even much of a shaft guru, but I have heard it said more than once, that golfers often gain better dispersion with a stiffer profile that doesn't whip through impact.

I also understand the feel perspective and would note that it's important to remember that there is no industry standard for shaft stiffness so simply changing from one shaft marked "S" to a different model marked "R" is not a guarantee of anything. Making that switch with the same model and possibly with the same brand would make a difference, but if you're looking at a different manufacturer's shaft then it's a coin toss.

Best advice is to talk with a fitter. In the OP's case, you could probably even talk to someone online about what you currently game and what you're looking for to get a list of potential options.

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Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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1 hour ago, perseveringgolfer said:

My SS is about 100mph for Driver.

I play S in irons and fairway/hybrid but struggle with the Driver as I like a light combo and always feel I have to heave the driver into place.

I'd like to experiment with a regular shaft for feel as to where the clubhead is during the swing.

Anyone on here who plays S in irons but R in Driver?

Not sure of what length you are playing your driver, but you could consider going a little shorter.  That is another way of making a driver feel a little easier to swing.

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6 minutes ago, bellairemi said:

Not sure of what length you are playing your driver, but you could consider going a little shorter.  That is another way of making a driver feel a little easier to swing.

I did that with my old Titleist 910D3, went to a 44.5" and results initially were very good, good point and thanks for reminding me.

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Driver     Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs)  
4 Wood   Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+  :callaway-small: Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex

Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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I was 105 mph with the driver 3 years ago at my last driver fitting.  Went for a new fitting recently, and I'm down to 101.  Tried 7 different shafts during the fitting (most were stiff) and wound up with a regular in the end.  Gave me the lowest spin and best distance.  Like TR1 said above, there is really no standard on shaft stiffness.  I does vary by manufacturer.

You won't know until you try out different shafts which one will work best for you.  Always best to get fitted in my experience.  

And yes, I play stiff in my irons and hybrids.

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Tried the HZRDUS 5.5 60G today in the Ts3- man that shaft feels stiffer and heavier than a 'stiff' shaft. Just shows you they are all different out there. Could be the torque was low as it felt quite boardy near the grip end, plus its a low spinning shaft.

I'll try another R tomorrow hopefully.


Driver     Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs)  
4 Wood   Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+  :callaway-small: Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex

Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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1 hour ago, perseveringgolfer said:

Tried the HZRDUS 5.5 60G today in the Ts3- man that shaft feels stiffer and heavier than a 'stiff' shaft. Just shows you they are all different out there. Could be the torque was low as it felt quite boardy near the grip end, plus its a low spinning shaft.

I'll try another R tomorrow hopefully.

Which hzrdus version? 


Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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5 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Which hzrdus version? 

smoke black


Driver     Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs)  
4 Wood   Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+  :callaway-small: Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex

Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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27 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said:

smoke black

While that shaft will play slightly softer than the original black it is a very stout shaft and tip stiff.  Iirc the torque in the smoke black 5.5 60g is 4.0 and 3.5 in the 6.0.

the black smoke like the original black is designed for aggressive swingers or those with aggressive transitions.


Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

While that shaft will play slightly softer than the original black it is a very stout shaft and tip stiff.  Iirc the torque in the smoke black 5.5 60g is 4.0 and 3.5 in the 6.0.

the black smoke like the original black is designed for aggressive swingers or those with aggressive transitions.

did some googling and you are spot on. It even suggests its for strong players with fast transition who want low to mid launch and low spin, it also says it will feel firmer...............everything I'm not and dont seek in a regular shaft😂

would you have any suggestions as you seem to know about shafts?


Driver     Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs)  
4 Wood   Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+  :callaway-small: Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex

Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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7 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said:

did some googling and you are spot on. It even suggests its for strong players with fast transition who want low to mid launch and low spin, it also says it will feel firmer...............everything I'm not and dont seek in a regular shaft😂

would you have any suggestions as you seem to know about shafts?

I’ve had the benefit of visiting px and have had the hzrdus yellow in several drivers. Also tried the original black and it was too much for me and the smoke when I demod earlier in the year was still a bad feel for me.

what are you lookin for? Weight range? Type of launch and spin? 

Edit: counterbalance shaft? What’s your price range?


Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

what are you lookin for? Weight range? Type of launch and spin? 

Edit: counterbalance shaft? What’s your price range?

Light - medium launch - medium spin. Something that I know where the head is during the swing.

I have a smooth transition.

My Callaway 4+ wood has a firm flex and feels perfect if that helps?

no idea on prices but nothing silly, ideally stock shaft price range.


Driver     Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs)  
4 Wood   Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+  :callaway-small: Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex

Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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16 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said:

Light - medium launch - medium spin. Something that I know where the head is during the swing.

I have a smooth transition.

My Callaway 4+ wood has a firm flex and feels perfect if that helps?

no idea on prices but nothing silly, ideally stock shaft price range.

A couple off the top of my head would be Mitsubishi ck blue or orange, diamana red, ust proforce v2

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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Have you tried the Ventus? Best feeling shaft through the swing that I have felt. Just not sure how it would fit in your swing and it is $$


:callaway-small:                      Epic Flash Sub Zero 9.5* (Ventus Black 6X) 45"

:taylormade-small:             M5 15* (Ventus Black 7x) 43"

:callaway-small:                      Epic Flash Sub Zero 18* (Tensei AV Blue 70 X)

:srixon-small:                     Z585 4-5 (KBS C Taper S)

:srixon-small:                     Z785 6-AW (KBS C Taper S)

:titelist-small:                      Vokey SM8 55 08 M (KBS 610)

:titelist-small:                      Vokey SM8 59 04 L   (KBS 610)

:bettinardi-1:                Studio Stock 28 Slotback 33.5"

:bridgestone-small:       Tour BX

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I would also suggest at your SS staying in the S range, if you can find one that fits. Dispersion will increase, maybe dramatically, going to an R. 

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:callaway-small:                      Epic Flash Sub Zero 9.5* (Ventus Black 6X) 45"

:taylormade-small:             M5 15* (Ventus Black 7x) 43"

:callaway-small:                      Epic Flash Sub Zero 18* (Tensei AV Blue 70 X)

:srixon-small:                     Z585 4-5 (KBS C Taper S)

:srixon-small:                     Z785 6-AW (KBS C Taper S)

:titelist-small:                      Vokey SM8 55 08 M (KBS 610)

:titelist-small:                      Vokey SM8 59 04 L   (KBS 610)

:bettinardi-1:                Studio Stock 28 Slotback 33.5"

:bridgestone-small:       Tour BX

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32 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

Have you tried the Ventus? Best feeling shaft through the swing that I have felt. Just not sure how it would fit in your swing and it is $$

The ventus isn’t a stock price as he mentioned is something he is looking at price range wise. Also they play a little tip stiff and even the red may be a little more beefy than he’s looking for.

31 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

I would also suggest at your SS staying in the S range, if you can find one that fits. Dispersion will increase, maybe dramatically, going to an R. 

Swing speed is only one aspect and transition plays as much a role as ss does. He’s someone that could go either way depending on profile

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Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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