cnosil Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 With the new PGA season starting the new 2020 equipment is starting to show up on the practice greens/ranges. Saw some previews of the new stroke lab putters. Look familiar to anyone? https://www.pgatour.com/equipmentreport/2019/09/10/spotted-new-odyssey-stroke-lab-ten-bird-of-prey-putters-golf-clubs-equipment.html MaxEntropy and RMClemsonTiger03 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 No shame at all among golf companies. Normally I just roll my eyes and accept copy cat designs as part of the industry, but this one takes the cake. Good lord. MaxEntropy, JohnSmalls and cnosil 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) As the famous quote by Oscar Wilde states, “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.” I'm not surprised at all with Odyssey's decision, and I'm sure it's - at least in part - in response to wanting to keep a TM product out of the hands of staff players or because the players have specifically requested the head shape. I'm also quite sure the putter won't work as well for some current users of the TM Spider and will work better for others. My personal opinion though, is that the TM looks a lot better, but I'm not sure how I feel about the TM insert. Edited September 11, 2019 by TR1PTIK cnosil and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 As others have said, I'm not surprised by the shape, what I'm more concerned about is if and how they've redesigned the insert. In our testing in the Stroke Lab thread it was pretty well uniform that all of us hated the feel off the face. Will be interesting to see how Odyssey plan on fixing that. cnosil, JohnSmalls, GolfSpy BOS and 1 other 4 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 As others have said, I'm not surprised by the shape, what I'm more concerned about is if and how they've redesigned the insert. In our testing in the Stroke Lab thread it was pretty well uniform that all of us hated the feel off the face. Will be interesting to see how Odyssey plan on fixing that.I hadn’t read up on the thread since I rolled one at the store and did not like the feel either. I’d like to try the Toulon design ones or If an odyssey full milled line comes out again, but no store around here seems to carry them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03trdblack Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I actually like the look at address of the Odyssey more than the TM. Everyone expects all putter companies to have an Anser style putter in their lineup so why should we not expect companies to have different, more modern shapes like the Spider style in their lineup? Odyssey isn't alone in this... @westonmaughangolf via Instagram: bens197, PMookie, GregB135 and 5 others 8 Quote My bag is a revolving door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeSmails Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Ctrl C + Ctrl V pretty shameless copy of the spider there bens197 and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote Driver: TR20 10.5* Hybrids: Epic SuperHybrid 3 18* Epic 4h 23* Irons: JPX900 Hot Metal 5-GW Wedges: CBX2 52* 56* 60* Putter: EV8 Ball: Tour BXS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txgolfjunkie Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 On 9/11/2019 at 9:01 AM, B.Boston said: I hadn’t read up on the thread since I rolled one at the store and did not like the feel either. I’d like to try the Toulon design ones or If an odyssey full milled line comes out again, but no store around here seems to carry them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It doesn't appear the insert has changed on the 2020 Spider Stroke Lab. Looks exactly the same but I'm sure Odyssey's marketing dept will claim it rolls the ball 7% straighter than prior year models...with absolutely no change in the insert. If you notice, a lot of guys on tour that play a Odyssey stroke lab designed putter generally don't have the stock insert...it's either the old white hot insert or something other than the latest and greatest. I get that pros don't play on the same greens as the average golfer and getting the ball rolling isn't their top priority, but it is an eye opener on TV when the guys paid to play their equipment don't utilize the latest 'technology' The toulon does feel more solid and you definitely get more feedback from the solid milled putter over an insert. The toulon face diamond mill design is more about sound at impact in relation to distance of how far the ball should travel than anything else. There's a really good interview with Sean Toulon about how the design originated with the help of Loren Roberts. Speaking from experience, if you mishit a toulon, you'll definitely struggle with distance control...which was why I switched from the Toulon Las Vegas back to an Evnroll. GolfSpy BOS and cnosil 2 Quote Cobra Connect 5 Competitor - Team Chad King Radspeed 10.5* w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 60 6.5 tipped 1/2" - Peacoat/Red King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2" King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx Spider SR Pro V1x Left Dash Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyticandrew Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Isn’t this what happened when Odyssey came out with the 2 ball many years ago? Not saying it’s right either way. That said, I am playing a Stroke Lab 2019 R Ball and I’ve never putted better in my life. Not all the club, I realize, but I do feel like that shaft tech has helped me a lot, especially on off center hits. I’ll be anxious to roll one of these new designs. I’ve never putted with a spider period. Quote TS3 9° Driver with HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 6.5 TSi3 15° Fairway with HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 6.5 ZX 2 iron JPX 900 Forged 4-GW 54°, 60° Full Face Spider SR Single Bend Z Star Diamond Hoofer R1 Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/12/2019 at 8:42 AM, txgolfjunkie said: It doesn't appear the insert has changed on the 2020 Spider Stroke Lab. Looks exactly the same but I'm sure Odyssey's marketing dept will claim it rolls the ball 7% straighter than prior year models...with absolutely no change in the insert. If you notice, a lot of guys on tour that play a Odyssey stroke lab designed putter generally don't have the stock insert...it's either the old white hot insert or something other than the latest and greatest. I get that pros don't play on the same greens as the average golfer and getting the ball rolling isn't their top priority, but it is an eye opener on TV when the guys paid to play their equipment don't utilize the latest 'technology' The toulon does feel more solid and you definitely get more feedback from the solid milled putter over an insert. The toulon face diamond mill design is more about sound at impact in relation to distance of how far the ball should travel than anything else. There's a really good interview with Sean Toulon about how the design originated with the help of Loren Roberts. Speaking from experience, if you mishit a toulon, you'll definitely struggle with distance control...which was why I switched from the Toulon Las Vegas back to an Evnroll. The insert on these is very much personal preference; milled vs. insert is an entirely different comparison. I just put the 2018 EXO back in my bag after a re-grip (TOUR SNSR pistol) and putted lights out. I previously encountered some problems with speed control on the non-Stroke Lab EXO 7s which disappeared yesterday. I now feel like the white micro-hinge is more sensitive to strike location and delivered loft than milled or other inserts. Interested to see how putting holds up for the last few rounds before courses close up here in Canada. Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGolf Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I didn't like the TM model and still don't. I wont like this one either. just too busy. I thought the Indy was cool but this is too much. The bird of prey is a little better Quote Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg Graphite Design XC 6S GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce Putter - Makefield VS LH Ball - truvis Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD. HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I actually like the look at address of the Odyssey more than the TM. Everyone expects all putter companies to have an Anser style putter in their lineup so why should we not expect companies to have different, more modern shapes like the Spider style in their lineup? Odyssey isn't alone in this...@westonmaughangolf via Instagram: I was going to comment about all of the Anser copies as well. Same feelings here!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 03trdblack and Rickp 2 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGolf Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 got a first look at the putters. I still like the bird of prey. Some notes: 1) the insert did change to a firmer/ louder type of insert. Or at least it makes a louder sound giving the feel of a firmer insert although it may not be. 2) The copy cat thing is kinda funny in that Toulon was part of the design team when with TM so,,,,,,, lets call it an extension of the design. 3) the black line will include some old friends in return of some other designs from popular putters past. stay tuned. cnosil and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg Graphite Design XC 6S GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce Putter - Makefield VS LH Ball - truvis Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD. HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I think these were made specifically for the pros originally. Since they are on staff with Callaway, they are probably not allowed to use the TM or Scotty depending on their contract. Like Phil. He wants to try the style, but can’t because of his contract. So he basically forces Callaway to give him something. Just my guesses as to why they would do it. HardcoreLooper and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre2you Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I just purchased the Bird of Prey, it was the most consistent of all the putters that I tested. I played the spider when I played right handed a few years . I compared the spider against the Odyssey Number 10 and Bird of Prey and the Bird of Prey won out. I can't wait for the snow to melt so I can putt on some real greens but so far in the store and on my indoor putting green at home me likely....... Quote Nike Covert Tour 2.0 9.5 stiff Veylix Nike Covert Tour 2.0 3w stiff Kuro kage Nike Covert Tour 2.0 5w stiff Kuro kage Nike MMProto 3-PW Nippon Modus 120 Stiff Scor 51*, 55* Wedges Machine M2A putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 As I understand it. Toulon who designed the odyssey 10. Designed, or helped design the spider. So, if it is a copy. Is he copying himself?? HardcoreLooper, Weston Maughan Golf and cnosil 3 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Local shop finally got two of these in, and I snapped a comparison to my Spider Tour. Pretty near a straight copy to my eyes. I didn't roll them because they were too long for me, but they look nice in black. yungkory, STUDque and GolfSpy BOS 3 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Local shop finally got two of these in, and I snapped a comparison to my Spider Tour. Pretty near a straight copy to my eyes. I didn't roll them because they were too long for me, but they look nice in black. That stripe is BOLD. From what I’ve read its almost got a pearlescent finish too, so even brighter in sunlight. I’m not a big fan on alignment aids, but that seems pretty well done.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk edingc 1 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I was killing time in the store on Saturday and rolled one in the demo area. The insert feels a lot better than the previous generation Stroke Labs IMO -- it's not as mushy. MaxEntropy 1 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 hours ago, yungkory said: I was killing time in the store on Saturday and rolled one in the demo area. The insert feels a lot better than the previous generation Stroke Labs IMO -- it's not as mushy. Maybe they listened to us! We who tested all loved the shaft tech, but said the insert was pretty bad. cnosil and yungkory 2 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Berg Ryman said: Maybe they listened to us! We who tested all loved the shaft tech, but said the insert was pretty bad. I thought it was just me until I read the testing thread. Felt good that my thoughts were validated and I'm not just a picky jerk Berg Ryman and cnosil 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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