TeddyBaseb@ll Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I just received an email from Costco offering the Kirkland 4 Piece Ball ($29.99 for two dozen). Was this offering expected? Is this a new ball or the old stock they had in reserve from when they turned the industry upside down? Have you had a chance to test this ball? Quote Link to comment
KurtActual Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Shows it on the Costco main website too. This could be interesting! Edit: Ordered 2 dozen. Time to test. Quote Tiger is the GOAT, change my mind. Link to comment
JonMUSC08 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 saw this too! For the money its a good ball when compared to other balls in its price range Quote Charleston, SC HDCP 13.0 Driver: M6 9* with 65g Stiff Mitsubishi Tensei Red shaft 3 wood: G425 stiff shaft 5 wood: Stealth 2 stiff shaft 4-gw irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal w/ X-stiff KBS 130gr shafts (soft stepped) Wedges: MG3 52, 56, 60 Putter: 34" Scotty Cameron 12.5 Ball: ProV-1x Tracked By: MGS Tester '20 - G710 Iron Review MGS Tester '19 - Precision Pro NX9 HD Pro laser rangefinder Link to comment
Kenny B Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Interesting. The box says Made in China. The original KSig 4-piece ball was made in Korea. Costco has been selling a 3-piece urethane ball made in China, so maybe they got some 4-piece overruns from the same factory. I liked the original Korean ball, but the China ball... not so much. However, 2 dozen for $30 is a great price. dan contorno and cnosil 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
DougC. Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I ordered 2 boxes as well. I'll be following this thread. Quote Link to comment
chisag Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kenny B said: Interesting. The box says Made in China. The original KSig 4-piece ball was made in Korea. Costco has been selling a 3-piece urethane ball made in China, so maybe they got some 4-piece overruns from the same factory. I liked the original Korean ball, but the China ball... not so much. However, 2 dozen for $30 is a great price. ... I hear ya Kenny, the 3 piece ball made in China is an excellent ball for those that need more spin. Works great for the Mrs but way too much spin for me. I ordered 4 dozen of the 4 piece because ya never know if these Signature One's are an improvement over the Tour Performance, equal in performance or not as good as the "original". Worst case scenario is at $75 including tax and shipping, they are a good practice ball or make a great gift. Edited September 13, 2019 by chisag cnosil and Kenny B 2 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
CouveGolfer Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Ordered and will report back. Fingers crossed they're similar to the originals... Quote Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, CouveGolfer said: Ordered and will report back. Fingers crossed they're similar to the originals... Considering the original ones aren’t on the confirming list I would put the chances at. It that similar Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
PlaidJacket Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I've still got a few dozen of the original K-Sigs. Loved them. I don't recall that they are non-conforming. Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment
chisag Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 ... And like Keyser Soze - they're gone. bens197 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
cnosil Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said: I've still got a few dozen of the original K-Sigs. Loved them. I don't recall that they are non-conforming. The originals have been removed from the USGAs conforming ball list. Because of that they are technically not approved for play in a USGA event thus "non-conforming" RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
JohnSmalls Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I’m ready to see one cut open! dan contorno, Just another lefty, MattF and 1 other 3 1 Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment
Kenny B Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 5 hours ago, cnosil said: The originals have been removed from the USGAs conforming ball list. Because of that they are technically not approved for play in a USGA event thus "non-conforming" How does a ball that was on the conforming list get removed from the list and now non-conforming?? What changed? Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
storm319 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Kenny B said: How does a ball that was on the conforming list get removed from the list and now non-conforming?? What changed? Submissions expire after 12 months on the list. After that, OEMs must resubmit for the ball to be used for competitions enforcing the one ball rule. https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/2019/equipment-standards/2019-usga-golf-ball-submission-guidelines.pdf TR1PTIK, cnosil and downlowkey 3 Quote TS2 9.5 909F2 15.5 690.CB 3-PW Vokey SM5 50, 56 Works Versa 1W Link to comment
PlaidJacket Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Kenny B said: How does a ball that was on the conforming list get removed from the list and now non-conforming?? What changed? Same question here. Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment
CarlH Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 I could get more interested in this ball IF I knew that I could continue to buy the same ball when I need new ones and that it's going to perform as well as the last batch I bought. Until then, I'll keep playing a more reliable (as in availability) ball. Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment
Kenny B Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 14 hours ago, storm319 said: Submissions expire after 12 months on the list. After that, OEMs must resubmit for the ball to be used for competitions enforcing the one ball rule. https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/2019/equipment-standards/2019-usga-golf-ball-submission-guidelines.pdf I see that in your reference, but it still doesn't answer the question about why the ball is now non-conforming... it's just not on the current list. So, when a ball is conforming and on the list, the packaging can state that the ball "Conforms with the Rules of Golf", but after a year that ball is no longer conforming?? That makes no sense. BIG STU 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
BestGuess Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Conforming or not I had a dozen of the Korean made Kirkland's left in the closet..the covers cracked (I know it was over 100 degrees) was amazed I never had that problem with them before.. guess they did not age well....anyway I see the new 4 piece is a different ball made in China...I would bet it is very close to or exactly like other on line ball companies are selling. Safe to say it is NOT the Taylormade type ball the original Kirkland 4 piece was. Will see I got my order in before they ran out again...It is a wonder with a 2 24 pack limit they ran out so fast....Ebay sellers seem to have endless supply selling them already.... dan contorno 1 Quote Link to comment
BIG STU Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Kenny B said: I see that in your reference, but it still doesn't answer the question about why the ball is now non-conforming... it's just not on the current list. So, when a ball is conforming and on the list, the packaging can state that the ball "Conforms with the Rules of Golf", but after a year that ball is no longer conforming?? That makes no sense. Kenny----- Does anything involving the USGA make any sense? Ya know old buddy just saying Kenny B 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 8 hours ago, Kenny B said: I see that in your reference, but it still doesn't answer the question about why the ball is now non-conforming... it's just not on the current list. So, when a ball is conforming and on the list, the packaging can state that the ball "Conforms with the Rules of Golf", but after a year that ball is no longer conforming?? That makes no sense. Considering the first ball wasn’t produced for long due to the lawsuit and also supply it would be hard to resubmit it for approval. While the usga or r&a decisions don’t always make sense the conforming list is pretty easy and straightforward. It’s either on there and approved for play or it’s not and if one was competing or scoring for their hdcp they couldn’t use the product...unless there was some form of e emotion either from the governing bodies or the tournament Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
storm319 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Kenny B said: I see that in your reference, but it still doesn't answer the question about why the ball is now non-conforming... it's just not on the current list. So, when a ball is conforming and on the list, the packaging can state that the ball "Conforms with the Rules of Golf", but after a year that ball is no longer conforming?? That makes no sense. The ball is not non-conforming in the sense that it failed one or more of the conformance tests, it just cannot be used in any event where the list has been adopted as a local rule (one ball rule often accompanies this). That would be all events hosted by the USGA, R&A, PGA of America, PGA Tour, and ANGC amping others. Basically if the ball is not being actively played on tour nor actively marketed at retail, it likely won’t last long on this list but can still be played where the local rule is not adopted. Simply the USGAs way of keeping the list tidy and making it easier to maintain (personally I think the inclusion period should be longer). cnosil, Kenny B and downlowkey 3 Quote TS2 9.5 909F2 15.5 690.CB 3-PW Vokey SM5 50, 56 Works Versa 1W Link to comment
downlowkey Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 hour ago, storm319 said: The ball is not non-conforming in the sense that it failed one or more of the conformance tests, it just cannot be used in any event where the list has been adopted as a local rule (one ball rule often accompanies this). That would be all events hosted by the USGA, R&A, PGA of America, PGA Tour, and ANGC amping others. Basically if the ball is not being actively played on tour nor actively marketed at retail, it likely won’t last long on this list but can still be played where the local rule is not adopted. Simply the USGAs way of keeping the list tidy and making it easier to maintain (personally I think the inclusion period should be longer). Thanks for posting the USGA ball submission guidelines document. Most of the little bureaucratic twists contained therein seemed to be directed at merely making the job of maintaining the conforming list more manageable for the USGA. My reading of it suggests that had Costco held back several dozen of the original 4 piece K-Sig, mailing the USGA two dozen (in original retail packaging) per year would have been all that was required to keep it on the conforming list. So, twenty boxes would have been sufficient inventory to keep the ball on the conforming list for a decade. Easily managed within a golf specific organization, but probably way down the list of priorities for a company like Costco. Quote PXG___0811 X 9* - Mitsubishi Diamana s60 Limited X Cobra___S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S Adams___XTD Forged 3i - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S Adams___CMB 4-PW - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S KZG___Tri-Tour 50.08__54.10__58.12 - Accra iCWT 2.0-95i S Nike___Method Converge B1-01 (copper insert) Maxfli___'23 Tour X "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ Link to comment
storm319 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 6 hours ago, downlowkey said: Thanks for posting the USGA ball submission guidelines document. Most of the little bureaucratic twists contained therein seemed to be directed at merely making the job of maintaining the conforming list more manageable for the USGA. My reading of it suggests that had Costco held back several dozen of the original 4 piece K-Sig, mailing the USGA two dozen (in original retail packaging) per year would have been all that was required to keep it on the conforming list. So, twenty boxes would have been sufficient inventory to keep the ball on the conforming list for a decade. Easily managed within a golf specific organization, but probably way down the list of priorities for a company like Costco. You hit the nail on the head. The guidelines are absolutely focused on ease of maintenance for the USGA (I would do the same if I were in the same position although I think 24 months is more reasonable than 12). Ultimately the USGA has been using the conditional local rule paradigm for years to avoid bifurcation as many of these rules are focused on reigning in players at the highest levels while not interfering with the majority of amateur play. As for why Costco/SM Global are not continually resubmitting the original ball, the reality is there is no incentive for them to pay to resubmit a ball that they are no longer selling ($1200 per submission is nothing for Costco, but they are getting nothing for it). Also with limited stock that was available, there would be very few people playing this ball in an event that has the list enforced via a local rule. fixyurdivot 1 Quote TS2 9.5 909F2 15.5 690.CB 3-PW Vokey SM5 50, 56 Works Versa 1W Link to comment
chisag Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 7:57 PM, JohnSmalls said: I’m ready to see one cut open! KurtActual, downlowkey, JohnSmalls and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
KurtActual Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Looks like a much thinner outer urethane layer. Something MGS said made the 3 piece only a “good” ratingSent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Tiger is the GOAT, change my mind. Link to comment
chisag Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, KurtActual said: Looks like a much thinner outer urethane layer. Something MGS said made the 3 piece only a “good” rating ... Tony also got reckless stating the new 4 piece Performance One would have the exact same cover and thickness as the 3 piece. tony@CIC, JohnSmalls, romeopapazulu and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
Tsecor Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) i wonder if the putters and wedges will be any good. Edited September 17, 2019 by Tsecor JohnSmalls and tony@CIC 2 Quote Golf is cool Link to comment
chisag Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tsecor said: i wonder if the putters and wedges will be any good. ... I think we can assume that like most Kirkland products, they will be very good. Whether or not they fit our individual preferences will be the big question. I like a straight leading edge on my wedges so that is a deal breaker for me. Of course soul grind is also essential and I doubt they will offer multiple grinds but the average player can probably use a standard type sole and bounce and at that price I think they will be a no brainer. 8620 is cheap and I hate it when OEMs charge $150 for wedges made out of it and not a forged 1025/1020 carbon steel, so the $99 price point for 2 will be much more inline with what they cost to make. tony@CIC, KurtActual and JohnSmalls 3 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
JohnSmalls Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, chisag said: Thank you! It looks good thus far! Have you played it yet? Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment
chisag Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 hours ago, JohnSmalls said: Thank you! It looks good thus far! Have you played it yet? ...My tracking info says they are due to arrive tomorrow 9/18. Hopefully they get here in time to play some twilite golf! tony@CIC, JohnSmalls and downlowkey 3 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
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