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On 10/21/2019 at 10:43 AM, ballplayer002003 said:

Next he had me swing a club with Mizuno's shaft optimizer on it.  Three swings and it was able to spit out about a dozen shafts.

Could you expand on this a little - first I've heard of a Mizuno shaft optimizer.

Also, particularly interested in how you like these compared to your Mizuno's; they were my second choice.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Could you expand on this a little - first I've heard of a Mizuno shaft optimizer.

Also, particularly interested in how you like these compared to your Mizuno's; they were my second choice.

The Mizuno shaft optimizer is a plastic device that is attached to the shaft of a club, in this case it was a Mizuno iron.  I had to take three swings with this club and with each swing the Optimizer was able to record:  swing speed, tempo, how much load I put on the shaft at the top of my transition, toe angle and lie angle.  Once you do all three swings, the Optimizer spits out a list (about a dozen) of shaft options for you in numerical order with number one being what it thinks will be the best performing shaft for your particular swing.  

It recommended the Dynamic Gold 120 X100 shaft for me.  I would have never picked that shaft for myself, but after trying a few, that one felt the best and gave me the most consistent ball flight.  I tried the Modus (shaft that I game) and I could feel the shaft loading in my transition.  I could not feel load in the DG shaft.  I like that better.  I want the feel of just one stiff board as I swing (I am probably in the minority here).  th?id=OIP.U12I65uCFQYNJSdBtLh9MwHaE8&pid=Api&P=0&w=289&h=193

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Great write ups guys. Please keep the updates coming as you play with them.  These are on my short list for a winter purchase.

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2 hours ago, ballplayer002003 said:

The Mizuno shaft optimizer is a plastic device that is attached to the shaft of a club, in this case it was a Mizuno iron.  I had to take three swings with this club and with each swing the Optimizer was able to record:  swing speed, tempo, how much load I put on the shaft at the top of my transition, toe angle and lie angle.  Once you do all three swings, the Optimizer spits out a list (about a dozen) of shaft options for you in numerical order with number one being what it thinks will be the best performing shaft for your particular swing.  

It recommended the Dynamic Gold 120 X100 shaft for me.  I would have never picked that shaft for myself, but after trying a few, that one felt the best and gave me the most consistent ball flight.  I tried the Modus (shaft that I game) and I could feel the shaft loading in my transition.  I could not feel load in the DG shaft.  I like that better.  I want the feel of just one stiff board as I swing (I am probably in the minority here).  th?id=OIP.U12I65uCFQYNJSdBtLh9MwHaE8&pid=Api&P=0&w=289&h=193

Cool tool. My fitter reps Mizuno but he did not have/use this during my fitting.  I wonder if it's relatively new?  I'm curious whether it would match me to my AWT 2.0's or the PX 5.5 LZ's that were real close in launch data.  Any of the other testers use this at their fittings?

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10 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Cool tool. My fitter reps Mizuno but he did not have/use this during my fitting.  I wonder if it's relatively new?  I'm curious whether it would match me to my AWT 2.0's or the PX 5.5 LZ's that were real close in launch data.  Any of the other testers use this at their fittings?

I didn't use it during my fitting but I have used it in the past at a demo day with the Mizuno rep.  It's really cool and I highly suggest it if you ever get a chance.  

There aren't a lot of "stock" shafts to choose from for the irons but one of those was one that the Mizuno tool recommended - Project X LZ.  It spits out 3 of the top recommended shafts.  The others for me were one of the Dynamic Gold (I think it was 120?) and the C Taper lite.

I was skeptical of it at first but tried it about a month later at another demo day and got the same results.

Really pleased with the LZ shaft it recommended - feels smooth and easy to load and unload.

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Horrid morning but definitely not clubs fault. Hit the ball fine first few holes and just lost my tempo/swing.
Only good part is my ball height, launch angle is coming back. Attributing this to Sr shaft. Monday new day, work in tempo/plane maybe tomorrow.



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8 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

I didn't use it during my fitting but I have used it in the past at a demo day with the Mizuno rep.  It's really cool and I highly suggest it if you ever get a chance.  

There aren't a lot of "stock" shafts to choose from for the irons but one of those was one that the Mizuno tool recommended - Project X LZ.  It spits out 3 of the top recommended shafts.  The others for me were one of the Dynamic Gold (I think it was 120?) and the C Taper lite.

I was skeptical of it at first but tried it about a month later at another demo day and got the same results.

Really pleased with the LZ shaft it recommended - feels smooth and easy to load and unload.

I'll definitely keep my eye peeled for a Mizuno Day at one of the Yuma GC.  It would be fun to see what it spits out for me.

When I did my first iron fitting (May 18), it was the G400's with the PX 5.5 LZ's.  These and the Dynamic Gold Light worked best on the JP900's.  During this springs iron fitting with the G410's, the AWT 2.0's yielded the best results.  I think we tested these shafts with the G400's, but cannot recall for sure.  I'm guessing, that once you (the fitter) gets you into the right column and short list, that which feels the best and yields the best data could change on any given day.

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First hit today with the 8 iron.  Ball flight was towering.  I didn't use shot tracer but I will.  This shot went dead straight, about 175 yards and went as high as any wedge you could hit.  I will take more videos next week but I was itching to get out today even though I only had about 20 minutes to do all this due to my schedule. 

So I wanted to show the difference in the two 7 irons I have now.  The one on the left is the PING, the one on the right is my Mizuno.  You can really see the PING has an offset head.  I noticed too that the PING topline is not as wide as I anticipated, compared to my Mizuno.  The next picture are the two clubs layed down side to side so you can get a better idea of the shape.  Again, left is PING, right is Miz. 

This set came 4-GAP.  I compared the PING Gap to my Vokey 52".   My Vokey is the one on the left.  I have to say, my first impression based on looks alone, I am not a fan of the head shape of the PING gap wedge.  I think it looks like a balloon.  It is too fat and round for my eye.  Again, this is only day one looking down at this.  I have not hit it yet because I wanted to stay away from it.  The last picture is the PING GW at address with a ball.  As always, more to come in my official review but I wanted to keep you all posted on the process. 

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Still anxiously awaiting delivery. With the shafts on back-order it's taking a bit longer.

Anyway... Stats from what should be my final round before starting testing:

Fairways: 6, GIR:5, Putts: 34, Penalties: 6😡

Improving the GIR number and reducing Penalties are primary goals with the G410s.

Keep the good posts coming fellas, I'll be joining you soon.

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On 10/25/2019 at 3:02 PM, fixyurdivot said:

Cool tool. My fitter reps Mizuno but he did not have/use this during my fitting.  I wonder if it's relatively new?  I'm curious whether it would match me to my AWT 2.0's or the PX 5.5 LZ's that were real close in launch data.  Any of the other testers use this at their fittings?

If a Mizuno fitter did not use the Shaft Optimizer in a fitting for irons, I would have a serious conversation with him on why not?   I've seen it demoed at the PGA show and by the reps and local fitters several times, it is uncanny te number of times that the 1st or 2nd shaft it recoomends ends up being the one that produces th best numbers on the LM and actual ball flight. 

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On 10/25/2019 at 3:16 PM, GolfSpy Stroker said:

I didn't use it during my fitting but I have used it in the past at a demo day with the Mizuno rep.  It's really cool and I highly suggest it if you ever get a chance.  

There aren't a lot of "stock" shafts to choose from for the irons but one of those was one that the Mizuno tool recommended - Project X LZ.  It spits out 3 of the top recommended shafts.  The others for me were one of the Dynamic Gold (I think it was 120?) and the C Taper lite.

I was skeptical of it at first but tried it about a month later at another demo day and got the same results.

Really pleased with the LZ shaft it recommended - feels smooth and easy to load and unload.

@fixyurdivot - Another positive Shaft Optimizer experience here. Went last week for irons, and they start every fitting with it regardless of what brand you are interested in. Fitter put me in the first non-upcharge shaft (C-Taper Lite 110 Stiff) it listed (No. 1 was Aerotech Steelfiber i110 - pricey!), and it was hands down the best shaft for me out of a bunch of options. Really cool piece of tech.

@GolfSpy Stroker - That LZ was a really nice feeling shaft, just too much spin for me in the 5.5 flex the optimizer recommended. I should have asked to try the 6.0 just to see, but the results I saw with the CTLs were soooo much better than any of the other shafts I tried.

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21 hours ago, Rickp said:

I am on the fence about the ball flight.  I like to see a boring mid ball flight.  I was hitting on the range and my assist. pro was watching me and he loved the ball flight too.  Simply put, I am just not used to it.  I think the next time I go to the range I will try to flight some lower.  If I am able to do that then look out, these irons may be deadly. 
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Got 9 holes in and starting to get used to new Lie and shaft setup. Big difference (4’) Lie was confusing me a bit but I think it’s starting to come together.

Hit a great 6 iron on 1st hole and a couple others on the 8th & 9th holes. Height and carry are definitely better. Need to get at a LM.

8iron seems to be the HOT iron in the bag.

Playing Wednesday same course so I can draw some comparisons.

 

 

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If a Mizuno fitter did not use the Shaft Optimizer in a fitting for irons, I would have a serious conversation with him on why not?   I've seen it demoed at the PGA show and by the reps and local fitters several times, it is uncanny te number of times that the 1st or 2nd shaft it recoomends ends up being the one that produces th best numbers on the LM and actual ball flight. 

 

I had a bad optimizer experience but it was also when the device first came out. My fitter said it recommended steel - I had been in graphite and told the fitter I preferred graphite - when I read the results later I read them here’s the top 3 steel, here’s the top 3 graphite and other the way he did 1-6.

 

Also my results were such that he could have recommended any of 3 shaft/head combos two of which were graphite - he had to be right so he picked the steel offering - hated those irons - tried everything that I could to make them work but hated them. Mizuno made good though and replaced them for me - kudos to them!

 

Bottom line is the Optimizer is only as good as the guy interpreting it.

 

With irons I flat out know that I play best with 2 flat, shaft in the mid 60’s, a little more loft and a little more sole. I will fit myself for those from now on thank you.

 

I tried the 410s, loved the look, would have enjoyed trying them with a lighter shaft - the stock graphite shaft was uncomfortable for me and the stronger lofts aren’t ideal.

 

But beautiful looking clubs at address

 

 

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I had a bad optimizer experience but it was also when the device first came out. My fitter said it recommended steel - I had been in graphite and told the fitter I preferred graphite - when I read the results later I read them here’s the top 3 steel, here’s the top 3 graphite and other the way he did 1-6.
 
Also my results were such that he could have recommended any of 3 shaft/head combos two of which were graphite - he had to be right so he picked the steel offering - hated those irons - tried everything that I could to make them work but hated them. Mizuno made good though and replaced them for me - kudos to them!
 
Bottom line is the Optimizer is only as good as the guy interpreting it.
 
With irons I flat out know that I play best with 2 flat, shaft in the mid 60’s, a little more loft and a little more sole. I will fit myself for those from now on thank you.
 
I tried the 410s, loved the look, would have enjoyed trying them with a lighter shaft - the stock graphite shaft was uncomfortable for me and the stronger lofts aren’t ideal.
 
But beautiful looking clubs at address
 
 
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Good to know about Mizuno Customer Service. I guess the Optimizer can’t make up for human error.


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Hey guys. I'm still here, haven't left the thread. Still making periodic checks of the front porch awaiting delivery. Should be any day now. Enjoying the back and forth so far.

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On 10/26/2019 at 5:30 PM, Golfspy_CG2 said:

If a Mizuno fitter did not use the Shaft Optimizer in a fitting for irons, I would have a serious conversation with him on why not?

He had fitting kiosks for Taylormade, PING, Mizuno, Callaway, KZG, and Tour Edge.  He had just opened his shop in March 2018 and I had my first iron fitting with him in that June. My second fitting was this past July.  Maybe these "shaft optimizers" are pretty new and/or their an option as part of the kiosk he chose not to purchase?  The expense of setting up a brand new shop, to include (3) Foresight GCQuad systems hitting bays, likely put a dent on his wallet.  I am curious to know however and will look for a Mizuno Demo opportunity while in AZ.

 

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26 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

He had fitting kiosks for Taylormade, PING, Mizuno, Callaway, KZG, and Tour Edge.  He had just opened his shop in March 2018 and I had my first iron fitting with him in that June. My second fitting was this past July.  Maybe these "shaft optimizers" are pretty new and/or their an option as part of the kiosk he chose not to purchase?  The expense of setting up a brand new shop, to include (3) Foresight GCQuad systems hitting bays, likely put a dent on his wallet.  I am curious to know however and will look for a Mizuno Demo opportunity while in AZ.

 

Yeah - my understanding in talking to the Mizuno fitters is that there is some training that goes along with the optimizer.  You can't just slap it on a shaft and be done.

I specifically remember one of the fitters saying that the optimizer says "xxxx" and then followed up with a "but..." it's the second part of that where he is able to interpret the results.

And don't be afraid to question the results!  Just because the machine says something doesn't always mean it's accurate.

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3 hours ago, GolfSpy Stroker said:

Yeah - my understanding in talking to the Mizuno fitters is that there is some training that goes along with the optimizer.  You can't just slap it on a shaft and be done.

I specifically remember one of the fitters saying that the optimizer says "xxxx" and then followed up with a "but..." it's the second part of that where he is able to interpret the results.

And don't be afraid to question the results!  Just because the machine says something doesn't always mean it's accurate.

I'd be surprised if the AWT's aren't on the short list, but my curiosity is peaked.  

 

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