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It's really disheartening to hear you guys having bad experiences like you are.  I play by myself quite a bit, which means I get paired up fairly frequently, and I really don't tend to run into snobbery or crappy attitudes.  Of course, I play the bulk of my solo golf at cheap courses, so the clientele tends to be down-to-earth.

I won't let someone else ruin this great game for me, but I also won't hang out somewhere that doesn't make me feel welcome.  There are plenty of unpretentious places to play.  They may not be architectural gems or perfectly manicured, but they're fun and that's all that matters.

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10 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

It's really disheartening to hear you guys having bad experiences like you are.  I play by myself quite a bit, which means I get paired up fairly frequently, and I really don't tend to run into snobbery or crappy attitudes.  Of course, I play the bulk of my solo golf at cheap courses, so the clientele tends to be down-to-earth.

I won't let someone else ruin this great game for me, but I also won't hang out somewhere that doesn't make me feel welcome.  There are plenty of unpretentious places to play.  They may not be architectural gems or perfectly manicured, but they're fun and that's all that matters.

I also play cheap courses, because I can't afford to pay $50.00 and higher greens fees more than a couple of times a season. Most of the people I come into contact with are very down to earth people. It's the higher priced courses where the attitudes creep in. These aren't what I would call high end courses, but they are a cut above the normal muni and public courses. There is nothing to be done about it.... people will always be what they are, regardless.

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I dont remember the last time I got paired with anyone that i wouldn’t want to tee it up with again. I play as a single frequently and never run into these snobs and I play fairly expensive courses several times a year. I’ve also worked some demo days in the past at high end clubs and met lots of down to earth members.

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Just played one of the highest rated munis in the northeast (morning rounds are $120, thankfully we played in the afternoon!) and the staff and members couldn’t have been more gracious. I’ve also played events at private courses and it was the same there - nothing but welcoming attitudes.

Not sure where snobbish elitism is creeping in, in fact with the explosion of golf-related social media it seems like more people from all walks of life are out there on the course giving it a chance.


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I haven't played at my muni in quite a while. Maybe I'll give it another shot. I've heard that they brought new faces in and were trying to get more people to play. It was originally an 18 hole course, but they got greedy and decided to put a 3rd 9 in. The original 18 was very nice, but they changed things around to accommodate the extra 9 and basically ruined what they had. I know a lot of people that play golf, but not many of them will bother playing this course.

 

Anyway..... I don't run into the snobbery much at all. But the few times I played this course, it left a bad taste in my mouth. You know the saying..... get a bad steak and you won't be back?

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... Having played 107 rounds in 117 days last winter in Phoenix and paired up with others 98% f those rounds, I can count the a$$holes on one hand. Lots of expensive resort courses, although I always used TeeTimes/Golfnow so perhaps the clientele was more down to earth than baying the high prices crowd. Not only would I say the majority were not arrogant, I found most to be extremely friendly and very enjoyable partners.

... I had one guy in a cart with his wife jumping on me and the other guy pushing a cart for moving while they were addressing their shots. After 2 holes and on a long par 5 I had to politely tell him we are walking and do not have the luxury of hanging back 20 yds while they address their shots, hit and then drive off in their carts, so when we are 40 yards away on the other side of the fairway we were gonna keep walking and if he could not deal with that, maybe they should just let us go ahead. Obviously when we were very near either of them we stopped and waited while they played their shots. He relented reluctantly and said he was playing poorly and our walking was a distraction but he understood we had to move to keep up with the group in front. Other than a couple of arrogant stock brokers, the rest of the people I was paired up with produced a most enjoyable round of golf. 

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There are so many things that can make a player quit. I have played this game for many years and while I no longer can play it at a high level (for me) I still love to play. I have had partners leave the game because of family commitments, money, health, and death. Others who just hated the fact it took so long to play the game. It gets to be frustrating when you no longer can play the game well any more and have to wait to make each crappy shot because of players who are slower than a ice floe. If you can't find something that will let you have an enjoyable day on the links you are probably going to leave the game. 

I played to a single digit handicap until age caught up to me. Now I do sometimes feel sorry for myself when I hit, for me, a great tee shot and just can't reach the green in two because of lack of distance. Yet yesterday I had 180 to the middle of the green and hit a beautiful 3 wood to the front of the green. No matter what else I did that day I had my one thing that would make me come back the next time. So I guess the other thing that may make people leave is ego. 😮

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I have played this game for 24 years. I have worked as an asst pro at a public and a private facility for 7 years. I have played courses from podunk munis to super expensive country clubs. One of the great joys of playing has been the people I have met. Most of my current friends I have met on the course or because of golf and those friendships have lasted over 20 years. Yes I have run into people who I wouldn't want to play with again but they are FAR out numbered by the ones that I enjoy playing with. 

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Personally I've seen two major reasons- time and personal enjoyment. People don't seem to have time for it simply, even 9 holes. And that feeds into the other. Take someone who was a single digit handicap. As they play less and less odds are scores will go up. They're not playing like that know their abilities allow, never mind that they went from 3 rounds a week to 1 and no practice time. Their goals and reasons haven't changed.

This is something I am going through now too. My first child will be born any day now cbd I've spent most of the summer preparing for it. I need to refocus and just enjoy getting to play golf. It's a very fun priviledge still, and just trust that my game will bounce back as time frees up.

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I feel like I need to follow up with a disclaimer. I rarely ever experience arrogant, stuffy people on the golf course.... even on very nice courses that cost more than I should spend. I usually make new friends and have a very enjoyable time.

My little dig was directed at the Golf course/club house employees/higher ups/ whatever term fits. The muni I mentioned was a very arrogant, pompous atmosphere.... unless you were a prominent business person, Massillon Tiger football coach, council person or just very affluent, they just didn't give two s**ts about you.... and gave you a hard time about everything. That's no way to run a successful muni course and expect to stay in business. 

Things may have changed, because I've heard that there has been a changing of the guard, so to speak. I hope so. It's a very nice course that should be enjoyed by everyone that pays taxes.... not just the few that thought they could pull a fast one. This course has been around since 1995.... I haven't played it since at least 2005. I probably should give it another shot.

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11 hours ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

Personally I've seen two major reasons- time and personal enjoyment. People don't seem to have time for it simply, even 9 holes. And that feeds into the other. Take someone who was a single digit handicap. As they play less and less odds are scores will go up. They're not playing like that know their abilities allow, never mind that they went from 3 rounds a week to 1 and no practice time. Their goals and reasons haven't changed.

This is something I am going through now too. My first child will be born any day now cbd I've spent most of the summer preparing for it. I need to refocus and just enjoy getting to play golf. It's a very fun priviledge still, and just trust that my game will bounce back as time frees up.

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Congratulations and good luck!  You'll be busy for a while, but the game will be waiting for you when you have time again.  Just get a club into the little one's hands as soon as you can.  Golf with your kids is the best. 

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Well In all sincerity and honesty.The elitism is why I’m actually playing the game.I enjoy playing with and associating with like minded professionals like myself.If your into hardcore get down and dirty hobbies.Than golf won’t be a great fit for you.Why I love Our club.It is exclusive and it is how we like it.Best to research a club that lets you fit in.That is what is great about golf

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23 hours ago, silver & black said:

I feel like I need to follow up with a disclaimer. I rarely ever experience arrogant, stuffy people on the golf course.... even on very nice courses that cost more than I should spend. I usually make new friends and have a very enjoyable time.

My little dig was directed at the Golf course/club house employees/higher ups/ whatever term fits. The muni I mentioned was a very arrogant, pompous atmosphere.... unless you were a prominent business person, Massillon Tiger football coach, council person or just very affluent, they just didn't give two s**ts about you.... and gave you a hard time about everything. That's no way to run a successful muni course and expect to stay in business. 

Things may have changed, because I've heard that there has been a changing of the guard, so to speak. I hope so. It's a very nice course that should be enjoyed by everyone that pays taxes.... not just the few that thought they could pull a fast one. This course has been around since 1995.... I haven't played it since at least 2005. I probably should give it another shot.

The staff is few and far between in the number of arrogant or elitist sentiment from what I have seen in/around dc area, upstate ny and several others states I’ve played in. At some places where you would expect it I found the exact opposite.

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4 hours ago, Twofer said:

If your into hardcore

Ahem...  Please look about an inch to the left and an inch up.

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4 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The staff is few and far between in the number of arrogant or elitist sentiment from what I have seen in/around dc area, upstate ny and several others states I’ve played in. At some places where you would expect it I found the exact opposite.

I understand. You have to understand the area I live in. Football is king in my town. We have a tradition that is 100+ years old in high school football. The "citizens" that are involved with... prolific in said tradition, are held in the highest esteem in my city. Those of us that think otherwise.... not so much. The golf course reflects this.

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Well In all sincerity and honesty.The elitism is why I’m actually playing the game.I enjoy playing with and associating with like minded professionals like myself.If your into hardcore get down and dirty hobbies.Than golf won’t be a great fit for you.Why I love Our club.It is exclusive and it is how we like it.Best to research a club that lets you fit in.That is what is great about golf


I know. I hate the rift raft too.

I prefer my partners to be wearing pressed pants as we listen to Black Flag and Earth Crisis in the lot while we enjoy a well-earned Cuban cigar. Then we can enjoy hardcore AND golf. At the same time!!!!


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I understand. You have to understand the area I live in. Football is king in my town. We have a tradition that is 100+ years old in high school football. The "citizens" that are involved with... prolific in said tradition, are held in the highest esteem in my city. Those of us that think otherwise.... not so much. The golf course reflects this.

Sounds like you need to find another town to play golf in. There are so many great public/muni courses in Ohio that are looking for and welcoming new golfers.


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I know. I hate the rift raft too.

I prefer my partners to be wearing pressed pants as we listen to Black Flag and Earth Crisis in the lot while we enjoy a well-earned Cuban cigar. Then we can enjoy hardcore AND golf. At the same time!!!!


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So.... both of you are elitists?

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Sounds like you need to find another town to play golf in. There are so many great public/muni courses in Ohio that are looking for and welcoming new golfers.


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I don't play golf in my own town.... on my own muni that I pay taxes for. I play elsewhere.

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So.... both of you are elitists?


Only when it comes to my hardcore. Death to false metal!!


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