patrickleeleep Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Anyone ever switch clubs and their game/ scores completely go down hill? Was playing decent and making good progress on my game, worked from no handicap at all down to a 15. Consistently playing in the 80s and a bad day was going into mid 90s. Went to golf galaxy and got "fit" so I ditched my f7 one lengths and started using my new graphite shafted p790s. This was in March, now going on to the end of September, my game is completely gone. Off the tee and short game isnt any different, but from 200 and in, everything is trash. Now I dont know what to think. My mind tells me to go to a real fitter and get a retro fit, but I really dont want to end up potentially paying for all new shafts and labor. Anyone ever run into this before? Whatd you end up doing? Quote Driver- 2016 M2 12* Tensei Red Stiff Wood(s)- G400 5 Wood 16.9*/ 7 Wood 21.1* Alta CB Stiff Irons- JPX 900 Forged 6-GW NS Pro 950GH Wedges- RTX 3 54* 588 RTX 2.0 58* RTX 4 64* Putter- Spider Tour Black Instagram- @patrickleeleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Well you made a huge change in not just the model of club, but obviously to your setup and swing as well with going from one length to standard. In addition there has to be a huge SW difference between the one length and the graphite 790's. It most likely is going to take a lot of range time to get comfortable with the drastic change. golfinnut, MattF, RickyBobby_PR and 3 others 6 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: Well you made so huge huge change in not just the model of clubd. But obviously to your setup and swing as well with going from one length to standard. In addition there has to be a huge SW difference between the one length and the graphite 790's. It most likely is going to take a lot of range time to get comfortable with the drastic change. Nailed it. Pretty much changed everything from club length, sw, the swing and feel Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Wow I’m going to make it a trifecta here - you couldn’t have made a more radical change - I will also answer your original question - yes - I was bitten by a fitter insisting that I would be better off with steel in my irons - I honestly still haven’t recovered from that move which was 7 years ago although there were other factors like health issues that impacted my game before I could get it back.Ironically given that scenario you should consult a professional, yes - one length irons benefit a certain swing type you need to know if yours is it before proceeding -Good luck Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Golfspy_CG2, fozcycle, RickyBobby_PR and 1 other 4 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I assume you were hitting the ball better, with better numbers during the fitting? If so then I would hesitate to suggest your game is just off just now. No disrespect here but a high 80's early 90's swing suggests a visit to a coach first before another 'fitting' might have better rewards. Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickleeleep Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 Agreed on the drastic change. It is a huge difference between what I was using and what I am using now. Thats where my biggest wonder is. On a well struck shot, I am hitting it higher than before which is what I like about that new irons but its far and few between with those. So constantly contemplating between going back to a steel shaft (lightweight) or even one length irons all together but would rather not. I play on some random trips I take and use rentals which are never one length. As far the teacher vs fitter. I understand the gain I would get from a teacher and I have contemplated that a lot as well which I am still looking into but it comes at a high cost and a lot of time needed to really train your body with what you learn in the lesson. I'm not one that wants to play in some competitive tournaments. I enjoy the game and get out as often as I can and have shot into the 70's and mostly in the 80's which I am happy with. Above 90 was usually a bad day. Teachers here in vegas are also so spreadout price wise. Some its like $75 an hour or some $150+ an hour and who knows what you're getting from the lower level. Quote Driver- 2016 M2 12* Tensei Red Stiff Wood(s)- G400 5 Wood 16.9*/ 7 Wood 21.1* Alta CB Stiff Irons- JPX 900 Forged 6-GW NS Pro 950GH Wedges- RTX 3 54* 588 RTX 2.0 58* RTX 4 64* Putter- Spider Tour Black Instagram- @patrickleeleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Agreed on the drastic change. It is a huge difference between what I was using and what I am using now. Thats where my biggest wonder is. On a well struck shot, I am hitting it higher than before which is what I like about that new irons but its far and few between with those. So constantly contemplating between going back to a steel shaft (lightweight) or even one length irons all together but would rather not. I play on some random trips I take and use rentals which are never one length. As far the teacher vs fitter. I understand the gain I would get from a teacher and I have contemplated that a lot as well which I am still looking into but it comes at a high cost and a lot of time needed to really train your body with what you learn in the lesson. I'm not one that wants to play in some competitive tournaments. I enjoy the game and get out as often as I can and have shot into the 70's and mostly in the 80's which I am happy with. Above 90 was usually a bad day. Teachers here in vegas are also so spreadout price wise. Some its like $75 an hour or some $150+ an hour and who knows what you're getting from the lower level. With that additional info I’d say go back to the 1 lengths and enjoy the game. All of us play for fun and you were having fun before - fun comes to us differently, for some it’s winning the club or city championship for others it’s the joy of some laughs with friends. It just sounds to me as if your current swing fits single length and they have to be a great conversation piece. Put you old friends back in the bag and enjoy! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy TwoCoatsOfWax 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickleeleep Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 41 minutes ago, revkev said: With that additional info I’d say go back to the 1 lengths and enjoy the game. All of us play for fun and you were having fun before - fun comes to us differently, for some it’s winning the club or city championship for others it’s the joy of some laughs with friends. It just sounds to me as if your current swing fits single length and they have to be a great conversation piece. Put you old friends back in the bag and enjoy! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Unfortunately, I live in an apartment so theres not a lot of storage room so those were sold. Got a decent price for them too having probably 100+ rounds on them. I of course would love to get better and hover around a 10 handicap or lower and I know theres a lot I can work on without lessons to do that. ( a lot to be improved on 80 yards and in with consistency of distance control)But I dont plan on being a club champion or anything like that. revkev 1 Quote Driver- 2016 M2 12* Tensei Red Stiff Wood(s)- G400 5 Wood 16.9*/ 7 Wood 21.1* Alta CB Stiff Irons- JPX 900 Forged 6-GW NS Pro 950GH Wedges- RTX 3 54* 588 RTX 2.0 58* RTX 4 64* Putter- Spider Tour Black Instagram- @patrickleeleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyHawk Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I bought new clubs around July and my game too went in the tank. After consulting a few of the better players as to possible fixes, it all came down to hitting the range and just work on ball striking, don't worry about ball flight or where it's going, just work on ball striking. I did that and was still playing poorly in my opinion. After much research for an instructor within a few hours of my location I settled on one near by. This was the fix I needed. After watching me hit balls for a while she made some minor changes, all of which sounded reasonable to me at the time. Went to the range and worked hard on the changes. Well, much to my surprise the changes worked!!! Dropped 10 strokes, got me back to a 6 hdcp and working to get it even lower, well at least until winter hits!!! For my 2 cents, get with an instructor you feel good with. I actually interviewed mine just to see what her teaching philosophies were, her thoughts on teaching golf before I paid for a lesson. That is what helped my with the new clubs. Good Luck.....Chris Quote Far and Sure...... GBB Epic 11* GBB Epic 7W (Heavenwood) : G410 4 thru GW MD3 54*,60* Huntington Beach Soft #4 Tour B RX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 2:47 PM, revkev said: All of us play for fun and you were having fun before - fun comes to us differently, for some it’s winning the club or city championship for others it’s the joy of some laughs with friends. I read an article recently over on WRX - I think by Adams. He was saying basically golf is played because it's Rewarding. Sure... it's fun and all that but Rewarding is the key for me. I hadn't really thought about golf or my game that way. Certainly not in a long time I suppose. But that's it. Think about it. Golf is Rewarding. The fellow that started this topic does need an equipment change or some professional help I think. silver & black and golfertrb 2 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, PlaidJacket said: I read an article recently over on WRX - I think by Adams. He was saying basically golf is played because it's Rewarding. Sure... it's fun and all that but Rewarding is the key for me. I hadn't really thought about golf or my game that way. Certainly not in a long time I suppose. But that's it. Think about it. Golf is Rewarding. The fellow that started this topic does need an equipment change or some professional help I think. I agree, but golf is rewarding in a lot of different ways. It isn't always about scoring low. revkev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 12 hours ago, silver & black said: It isn't always about scoring low. Very true. I certainly don't always. I recently had a rewarding first round after a complete failure on the front 9 during our club championship last weekend. I pulled it together on the back and finished respectable in spite of it all. Rewarding yes. Fun? Not so much - at least on the front. Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I agree, but golf is rewarding in a lot of different ways. It isn't always about scoring low.I read that same article and was put off by it a bit. I can agree with this additional definition - BTW I’ve learned that people play golf for a wide variety of reasons from MGS forum members. I used to be all about shooting the lowest score possible and couldn’t understand why anyone would choose to do something that seemed contrary to that thought - refuse to take lessons, make equipment choices apart from professional advice, play a non tour level ball or a variety of balls, not practice regularly, all sorts of things not conducive to wringing out that last stroke.For me golf is rewarding when I shoot a good score - but I see nothing wrong with someone playing golf because it’s plain old fun the way they are playing it - so long as they aren’t adversely impacting the people whom they are playing with. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy fozcycle 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfinnut Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 4:53 AM, Golfspy_CG2 said: Well you made a huge change in not just the model of club, but obviously to your setup and swing as well with going from one length to standard. In addition there has to be a huge SW difference between the one length and the graphite 790's. It most likely is going to take a lot of range time to get comfortable with the drastic change. I was going to say this exact same reason. That's a huge difference going from One length irons back to regular traditional irons. Everything is affected fozcycle 1 Quote WITB: Do I like Titleist or what? Driver: TSR3 9* UST Mamiya Proto LIN-Q Blue Fairways: TSi2 UST Mamiya LIN-Q Blue 13.5* Driving Iron: U500 17* Blue Ventus HB Velocore Irons: T350 4 & 5, T200 6 - PW UST Mamiya Recoil Dart F4 105g Wedges: SM9 48*, SM9 52*, SM8 56* Modus Tour Wedge Putter: Newport 2 w/ Garsen Ultimate grip Ball: *ProV1 Left Dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 2:47 PM, revkev said: With that additional info I’d say go back to the 1 lengths and enjoy the game. All of us play for fun and you were having fun before - fun comes to us differently, for some it’s winning the club or city championship for others it’s the joy of some laughs with friends. It just sounds to me as if your current swing fits single length and they have to be a great conversation piece. Put you old friends back in the bag and enjoy! ... Getting fit is always a great tool but only a piece of the puzzle. Perfect example is I was at the PGA Show and really liked the new RBZ driver. But the Marketing Director had a fitting specialist work with me and the R1 was better in performance. Lower flight, less spin and more carry. To my eye the RBZ with a higher launch carried farther as well as looking better at address and producing a much better sound and feel. But the numbers said the R1 was longer by a few yards consistently and most importantly lower spin meant more roll and better performance in Chicagos' winds. Pretty much a no brainer. ... But on the course I struggled with direction control and it didn't take long for the look, sound and feel to make playing the club unpleasant. I stuck with it a full month then finally contacted Taylor Made and told the MD about my dilemma. He sent me an RBZ and I instantly played much better and my confidence returned. I lost a little distance and when it was windy I had zero roll, but I was back in the fairway and enjoyed playing my driver again. ... Sometimes personal preference trumps ideal performance and if the One Length were more enjoyable and give you the confidence to play well, that is better than the P790's that regardless of how ell they perform on a LM just don't work for you on the course. fozcycle 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickleeleep Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 21 hours ago, LeftyHawk said: I bought new clubs around July and my game too went in the tank. After consulting a few of the better players as to possible fixes, it all came down to hitting the range and just work on ball striking, don't worry about ball flight or where it's going, just work on ball striking. I did that and was still playing poorly in my opinion. After much research for an instructor within a few hours of my location I settled on one near by. This was the fix I needed. After watching me hit balls for a while she made some minor changes, all of which sounded reasonable to me at the time. Went to the range and worked hard on the changes. Well, much to my surprise the changes worked!!! Dropped 10 strokes, got me back to a 6 hdcp and working to get it even lower, well at least until winter hits!!! For my 2 cents, get with an instructor you feel good with. I actually interviewed mine just to see what her teaching philosophies were, her thoughts on teaching golf before I paid for a lesson. That is what helped my with the new clubs. Good Luck.....Chris Appreciate it. I was going to go talk to a few people next week and see how I feel with them and go from there. I know either way where its this equipment or changing equipment, there are many improvements that can be made on my swing. 20 hours ago, PlaidJacket said: I read an article recently over on WRX - I think by Adams. He was saying basically golf is played because it's Rewarding. Sure... it's fun and all that but Rewarding is the key for me. I hadn't really thought about golf or my game that way. Certainly not in a long time I suppose. But that's it. Think about it. Golf is Rewarding. The fellow that started this topic does need an equipment change or some professional help I think. Professional help for sure. Endless ways it could improve my game. 34 minutes ago, golfinnut said: I was going to say this exact same reason. That's a huge difference going from One length irons back to regular traditional irons. Everything is affected And steel to lightweight graphite on top of it. 33 minutes ago, chisag said: ... Getting fit is always a great tool but only a piece of the puzzle. Perfect example is I was at the PGA Show and really liked the new RBZ driver. But the Marketing Director had a fitting specialist work with me and the R1 was better in performance. Lower flight, less spin and more carry. To my eye the RBZ with a higher launch carried farther as well as looking better at address and producing a much better sound and feel. But the numbers said the R1 was longer by a few yards consistently and most importantly lower spin meant more roll and better performance in Chicagos' winds. Pretty much a no brainer. ... But on the course I struggled with direction control and it didn't take long for the look, sound and feel to make playing the club unpleasant. I stuck with it a full month then finally contacted Taylor Made and told the MD about my dilemma. He sent me an RBZ and I instantly played much better and my confidence returned. I lost a little distance and when it was windy I had zero roll, but I was back in the fairway and enjoyed playing my driver again. ... Sometimes personal preference trumps ideal performance and if the One Length were more enjoyable and give you the confidence to play well, that is better than the P790's that regardless of how ell they perform on a LM just don't work for you on the course. I love the look of the clubs and for the most part feel comfortable over the irons, Thats one thing I wish was more widely used is outdoor club fitting. Hard to find though. fozcycle 1 Quote Driver- 2016 M2 12* Tensei Red Stiff Wood(s)- G400 5 Wood 16.9*/ 7 Wood 21.1* Alta CB Stiff Irons- JPX 900 Forged 6-GW NS Pro 950GH Wedges- RTX 3 54* 588 RTX 2.0 58* RTX 4 64* Putter- Spider Tour Black Instagram- @patrickleeleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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