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6 hours ago, Middler said:

That should be workable off grass, anything but a really tight lie or hard pan. But it does take a little practice to get used to a 60, I am glad to have mine when the situation calls for it (described earlier).

But I also get just losing confidence in certain clubs - I just dropped my 3H after forcing myself to use a hybrid for 3 years. I grew up with a 2-iron and used it a lot, now I have one again - even though there’s a “3” stamped in the sole, same loft as a 2i always used to be. Good luck!

Ha. Thanks. Just dropped the 3H too. I need to work on it or something. I always pull it left and most of the time can use a 4i or 5i but have never gone below that. Thanks for the feedback I might keep the 60 in there and practice with it a bit more. 

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I play 52, 56 and 60 deg wedges, with the 56 being the SW. I find the 60 great to have when my game is 'on', but nothing but trouble if I'm even the slightest but 'off' or 'rusty'. It's also got enough bounce that it's nothing but trouble on any kind of hardpan, so it's best left in the bag around that stuff. I don't recall the last time I used it in a trap, but it's handy to have around the greens when it's working.

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I play 52, 56 and 60 deg wedges, with the 56 being the SW. I find the 60 great to have when my game is 'on', but nothing but trouble if I'm even the slightest but 'off' or 'rusty'. It's also got enough bounce that it's nothing but trouble on any kind of hardpan, so it's best left in the bag around that stuff. I don't recall the last time I used it in a trap, but it's handy to have around the greens when it's working.

My personal opinion is that there's more to wedges than just the loft. I also carry a 52, 56 and 60. My 60 (Ping Eye 2) is perfect from the fairway 65 yards in or from green side rough and (soft sand) bunkers. We also have a couple of hard pan green side bunkers where my 56 (RTX3.0) is a better wedge vs the 60. Fortunately I either lucked out or learned how to live with what I have. My next trip to the fitter will be for a wedge fitting just to confirm what I have is the best combination.


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On 10/1/2019 at 10:45 AM, gregh729 said:

Might be time for me to drop the lob wedge.  Several years ago, I went 54/58 with wedges.  I only use the 58 for sand or very specialized chips.  I played with a friend the other day who has never used a lob wedge and is a wizard with a standard 56*.  I think the 56 would give me more options around the green with a 52 as my main chipping club. I tend to cut my chips, so a little less spin/extra roll would be good.

If nothing else, it'll give me something to play around with for the last 2 months of the season

So I just swapped from 52/56/60 (52 was a gap wedge not a true wedge in my eyes was part of my standard set) I revamped And grabbed the 50/54/58 in the cbx2’s. I typically utilized my 60 for softer short side shots and the sand. Was touchy with a full swing but could be done. 56 I used a lot more from distance than sand. But when looking for roll I typically use an 8 iron from a good distance and works really well anything from 8-PW works great. I am hoping my new wedges when I play give me some more versatility from distance and that the 58 is still my go to sand wedge because the 60 was pretty money from any bunker around the green 

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So I just swapped from 52/56/60 (52 was a gap wedge not a true wedge in my eyes was part of my standard set)

That's a good point. My gap wedge is a 48*, which btw works great for me (my PW 48*) so next naturally the next wedge up was a 52*


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56 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:


My personal opinion is that there's more to wedges than just the loft...

A 58° is not a lob wedge in my book.  I call it my SLW because that's what I use it for; the sand and short sided chips, pitches and lobs.  I just dropped my 60° for a 58° and the 2° does make a big difference.  It comes down to the more forgiving nature of the lower lofted wedge.

As tony mentions above, it's not just the wedge loft.  I play from an open stance and face with my high lofted wedges and that's even easier with the PM Grinds I use.  Playing 4°, 5°, 6° open would make my 58° up to a 64°; more then plenty to pull off a lob.  My setup, my shot selection and what wedge grind and bounce has a big influence on what wedge lofts I prefer.

So really no right or wrong answer here, it comes down to individual preference and skill, what shots you are trying to make and what bounces / grinds you like/need to play.  Just have to experiment a bit with your wedges and the reason I have a closet full of them. 

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A little over a year ago, I went from 50, 54, 58 wedges to 54 and 60.  The biggest difference between the 58 and my 60 is the shaft.  Still auditioning for a gap wedge.  They say that a high bounce wedge is not good on hard turf, but my 54 and 60 are 14º and 12º respectively and work great.  I have zero trouble hitting either off tight lies, but my 60 is my goto and distance is the only reason to use the 54.  Both wedges are used in bunkers; the 54 is my true sand wedge for longer greenside bunker shots, and the 60 is for the shorter shots.

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since i posted this, I've done some wedge buying. Just for kicks and the courses are closed, I picked up a 54/58 Cally MD4. I had 54 bent to 53. Now I can go P, 48, 53, 58 or stay with 48/52/56. The courses here in MD are closed, so I am waiting......

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I play a 48 (PW), 52, 56. My 56 is go to club. I hit as many shots off all sorts of lies with that one club, and stock pitches and bump and runs with the rest. It has 12* of bounce, but I’ve learned what I need to do in my setup to take adjust loft/lie/bounce. I like the theory of becoming an expert with one club for those of us that don’t have 8 hours a day and unlimited range balls. 

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1 hour ago, gregh729 said:

since i posted this, I've done some wedge buying. Just for kicks and the courses are closed, I picked up a 54/58 Cally MD4. I had 54 bent to 53. Now I can go P, 48, 53, 58 or stay with 48/52/56. The courses here in MD are closed, so I am waiting......

We're waiting in Washington too, which is why I haven't rushed out to get a gap wedge.  My PW is 44 and my SW is 54.  Since I don't take a full swing with SW or LW, the 6º gap is not really an issue, but 10º gap is too big between my PW and SW.  So, looking at 49-50 gap wedge.  I have Cally PM Grind SW and LW, but don't like the MD4 or 5.  Probably going with Cleveland CBX2.

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For me I have to practice, practice, practice with a lob wedge to maintain the ability to use it in play. As long as I am putting in the practice the results shows on the course.

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Id say a 58 is still a lob wedge.  We're only talking 2 degrees of difference here.  While I do agree that a 58 is a little more forgiving than a 60 is, there isnt that much difference.  For a couple years I played a set of Mizuno JPX 800s, which have stronger lofts (I believe the PW was 45 and the GW was 50), so I played a 54/58 wedge setup.

It worked out OK but I often found that I had a hole between the GW and 54 and the 54 and 58.  I felt like I always had to lay off of the 54 or try to muscle up on the 58, which was never a good idea.

Thats why you have to select wedge lofts based upon the distances that you often find yourself in, not just to fit certain gaps into your set, IMO.

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I’ve dropped my 60* lob wedge since I posted last Fall. It’s very satisfying when I pull it off, but my regular course is all tight lies except rough, and if I blade a chip with the 60* it usually costs me 2 strokes. And there’s no reason to use it unless I’m short sided, so I chip with an 8 iron where possible as a bladed 8 might still be on the green but certainly much closer than a 60*. And I can use my 56* in a pinch, so the 60* has been benched.

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I’ve also found that to be consistent with a higher loft wedge you need to hit chips and pitches like little cuts. The slightly out-to-in path takes the leading edge out of the shot. Very difficult to have and in-to-in swing path with a wedge, and in-to-out is blade territory. 

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17 hours ago, tony@CIC said:


That's a good point. My gap wedge is a 48*, which btw works great for me (my PW 48*) so next naturally the next wedge up was a 52*


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My set is 52/56/60, but the gap from my 45 deg PW to 52 deg AW is more than those gaps, so a better set for me is probably 50/55/60. 

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For many years I carried 3 wedges topping out at 58*.  Always loved playing the 58*, but with such a low bounce, it cost me a lot of strokes.  Finally went back to going with a 52*/56* setup.

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On 10/1/2019 at 9:45 AM, gregh729 said:

Might be time for me to drop the lob wedge.  Several years ago, I went 54/58 with wedges.  I only use the 58 for sand or very specialized chips.  I played with a friend the other day who has never used a lob wedge and is a wizard with a standard 56*.  I think the 56 would give me more options around the green with a 52 as my main chipping club. I tend to cut my chips, so a little less spin/extra roll would be good.

If nothing else, it'll give me something to play around with for the last 2 months of the season

Wedges I feel are separate from the rest of my bag and I do not include PW since I look it more like a 10 iron. When I switch to my 52/56/60 they all do certain things at specific times.  I however would never base my choice on what someone else uses. Just because they are a wizard does not mean I can do the same thing they can.  I would also never trade my LW for a club at the top because the times i need the lw are for scoring opportunities and I would rather be in between off the tee and hit one extra club on my next shot than need the lw to get up and down or make a great approach into a green. Just my thoughts, but maybe do a wedge fitting once things open back up 

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On 4/8/2020 at 11:27 PM, cycleguy55 said:

I play 52, 56 and 60 deg wedges, with the 56 being the SW. I find the 60 great to have when my game is 'on', but nothing but trouble if I'm even the slightest but 'off' or 'rusty'. It's also got enough bounce that it's nothing but trouble on any kind of hardpan, so it's best left in the bag around that stuff. I don't recall the last time I used it in a trap, but it's handy to have around the greens when it's working.

Me too.   The 60 has to be used very wisely, else disaster is the result.    Blade, chunk, cha, cha, cha.   

Have much better results with the 56, and as the years go by, I am using it 99% of the time.  The 60 is feeling very neglected.

 

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A high or even medium bounce 60º can't be hit from forward in the stance as one would want to play a high, vertically landing shot.

You have to keep hands forward with high bounce from a tight lie, and that's not the shot that you're playing.

Keep the bounce at 3 or 4º and suddenly the sixty lob isn't so hard to hit.

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