MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 since I have been outed http://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/344-what-do-you-do-for-a-living/ I thought I could try to answer any EASY fitting questions that are out there... 1 Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moecat 15 Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Very cool of you to offer your services ... thank you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie3Jack 6 Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 What do you think is the optimal way to fit a golfer for their lie angles? 3JACK 1 Quote Author of Pro Golf Synopsis. The Moneyball approach to golf strategy and analysis.Driver: Wishon 919THI, 10° loft, UST Mamiya VTS Red 7x, 44-3/8” long, 2,825 kg/cm^2 MOIGONZO WOOD: confidential2-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 17° loft, 40-7/8" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)3-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 20° loft, 40" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)4-6 iron: Wishon 575MMC (CB)7-PW: Wishon 575MMC (MB)SW: Edel Golf driver grind, 52° loft, 16° bounce, Nippon WV 125 shaft.LW: Edel Golf Digger Grind, 60° loft, 27° bounce, Nippon WV 125 ShaftPutter: Edel Golf Columbia Custom Made, 35" long, 72° lie angle, 3° loft. Ball: Titleist Pro V1xGrips: PURE Grips P2 Wrap (red)Shoes: FootJoy Dry-Joy (black, size 14)3Jack's Golf Blog - http://3jack.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudfish 58 Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 How are places like Golf Galaxy and Dick's for getting fit? I'm assuming they are OK for beginners, but the better you get, you should be going somewhere else to be fit??? Quote My Bag:Driver - King F6+ 3 Wood - XR16Hybrids - ZH45Irons - JPX 850 ProWedges - Mac Daddy 2Putter - Spider Tour RedBag - Ogio Grom Stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 What do you think is the optimal way to fit a golfer for their lie angles? 3JACK Good question. At my facility, we fit outside on a driving range. I have used several methods, but the most reliable seems to be a combo of lie tape and flight. If I give my guy a club that he is marking on the heel, but the flight is spot on, then we go with it. I could care less if the mark is in the center of the club, if the shots are 30 yards offline. Isn't that the reason we fit?? 1 Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 How are places like Golf Galaxy and Dick's for getting fit? I'm assuming they are OK for beginners, but the better you get, you should be going somewhere else to be fit??? I know the local Dicks has a few fellas that used to work for us, and know their stuff. Unfortunately, there is no outdoor range, and the Big Box boys must rely totally on launch monitor data. And we all know that sometimes those things can be a little messed up. IMO, you are better of finding a local pro or shop that has a range and go get fit there. 1 Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo 18 Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 What do you think is the optimal way to fit a golfer for their lie angles? 3JACK Lie boards? Quote Click here to view all of my scores and stats for the 2010 golf season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 Lie boards? Lie boards only tell you so much. You really need to see the ball fly Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie3Jack 6 Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 If I were to go from using S300 shafts in my irons which weigh about 130 grams to KBS stiff which weighs about 120 grams, how many swingweight points would that effect? 3JACK Quote Author of Pro Golf Synopsis. The Moneyball approach to golf strategy and analysis.Driver: Wishon 919THI, 10° loft, UST Mamiya VTS Red 7x, 44-3/8” long, 2,825 kg/cm^2 MOIGONZO WOOD: confidential2-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 17° loft, 40-7/8" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)3-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 20° loft, 40" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)4-6 iron: Wishon 575MMC (CB)7-PW: Wishon 575MMC (MB)SW: Edel Golf driver grind, 52° loft, 16° bounce, Nippon WV 125 shaft.LW: Edel Golf Digger Grind, 60° loft, 27° bounce, Nippon WV 125 ShaftPutter: Edel Golf Columbia Custom Made, 35" long, 72° lie angle, 3° loft. Ball: Titleist Pro V1xGrips: PURE Grips P2 Wrap (red)Shoes: FootJoy Dry-Joy (black, size 14)3Jack's Golf Blog - http://3jack.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 7, 2010 Author Share Posted March 7, 2010 If I were to go from using S300 shafts in my irons which weigh about 130 grams to KBS stiff which weighs about 120 grams, how many swingweight points would that effect? 3JACK If you use the same lengths and grips, the change will be between 1-2 swing weights. Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 7, 2010 Author Share Posted March 7, 2010 Sorry for the brief answer. Changing to a 10g lighter shaft with all other variables staying the same, will lighten the swingweight approx 1.5 points. Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie3Jack 6 Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Thanks, amigo. 3JACK Quote Author of Pro Golf Synopsis. The Moneyball approach to golf strategy and analysis.Driver: Wishon 919THI, 10° loft, UST Mamiya VTS Red 7x, 44-3/8” long, 2,825 kg/cm^2 MOIGONZO WOOD: confidential2-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 17° loft, 40-7/8" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)3-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 20° loft, 40" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)4-6 iron: Wishon 575MMC (CB)7-PW: Wishon 575MMC (MB)SW: Edel Golf driver grind, 52° loft, 16° bounce, Nippon WV 125 shaft.LW: Edel Golf Digger Grind, 60° loft, 27° bounce, Nippon WV 125 ShaftPutter: Edel Golf Columbia Custom Made, 35" long, 72° lie angle, 3° loft. Ball: Titleist Pro V1xGrips: PURE Grips P2 Wrap (red)Shoes: FootJoy Dry-Joy (black, size 14)3Jack's Golf Blog - http://3jack.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 7, 2010 Author Share Posted March 7, 2010 Glad I could help. Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave 1,675 Posted March 11, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 11, 2010 So in my quest to make better contact, I seem to make better contact if I stand taller in my stance. However this brings the heel of the club up and while I feel compression, ball flight is very hooky. I am a classically untrained OTT swinger. Issues with rotation. bla bla bla. Standing taller makes me turn better, or so it seems. Looking at the club though, when I stand taller, I am not hitting the middle of the burners, more like the front 1/3. mat marks toward the toe. I am thinking that maybe I need the Irons bent up a bit. Does this make sense. I remember that up or down promotes left or right, but I don't remember which. It also seems to be more of an issue with the burners than the MX200s but I am sure that is only because I don't own those yet... 1 Quote Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 when you are hitting the face of the club on the toe, the ball should hook if you are releasing the club properly. Standing closer to the ball will encourage the sole of the club to contact the ground TOE first. This should cause the ball to go right. Bending the club upright will only exacerbate the hooking flight. It sounds like you are coming across the ball from out to in with a closed clubface, a recipe for the lefts. How tall are you? Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave 1,675 Posted March 11, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 11, 2010 when you are hitting the face of the club on the toe, the ball should hook if you are releasing the club properly. Standing closer to the ball will encourage the sole of the club to contact the ground TOE first. This should cause the ball to go right. Bending the club upright will only exacerbate the hooking flight. It sounds like you are coming across the ball from out to in with a closed clubface, a recipe for the lefts. How tall are you? 5'11"/6' Clubs are 1/2" short as per fitting (long arms, short legs) standard L&L It is just such a different ball flight than the one I have been fighting. Straight for 60% then a hard left tail. When I was really bad OTT, it was almost the opposite with the slice. Quote Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 5'11"/6' Clubs are 1/2" short as per fitting (long arms, short legs) standard L&L It is just such a different ball flight than the one I have been fighting. Straight for 60% then a hard left tail. When I was really bad OTT, it was almost the opposite with the slice. Sounds like a tough one to diagnose without seeing you in person. I know this sounds lame, but there are sooooo many thins that could be taking place, that I would hate to ruin your game with the wrong info. FWIW, the Burners are 1/2 inch over standard to begin with, so -1/2 in length is not a lot. If you are moving alot closer to the ball, try gripping up on the club another 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch and see if your face impact improves. If that is the case, I'm sure that you will be digging the toe of your clubs into the ground, and need a lie angle adjustment. I hope that this helps more than it harms... unless we are playing for $$$$ Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave 1,675 Posted March 11, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 11, 2010 Sounds like a tough one to diagnose without seeing you in person. I know this sounds lame, but there are sooooo many thins that could be taking place, that I would hate to ruin your game with the wrong info. FWIW, the Burners are 1/2 inch over standard to begin with, so -1/2 in length is not a lot. If you are moving alot closer to the ball, try gripping up on the club another 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch and see if your face impact improves. If that is the case, I'm sure that you will be digging the toe of your clubs into the ground, and need a lie angle adjustment. I hope that this helps more than it harms... unless we are playing for $$$$ Thanks for the help. My next clump of "golf money" is going to go to a series of lessons, probably with one of the Haggin pros. I can't watch myself and it feels like I have hit a point where everything is going everywhere. Quote Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy 1,519 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 Thanks for the help. My next clump of "golf money" is going to go to a series of lessons, probably with one of the Haggin pros. I can't watch myself and it feels like I have hit a point where everything is going everywhere. always a good idea to have someone look at you if you feel it going sideways. It could very well be something very simple, like an alignment error... Quote Driver - SIM2 Max 9° Tour AD MT 6-S or ZX 7 9.5° Ventus VeloCore Blue S Fairway - Cannot find one worth a dang Hybrid - ZX 18° GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 Aerotech SteelFiber 110icw 4-Pw 1° flat Wedges - RTX Zipcore Raw 50° 54° 58° TTGDTI S400 1° flat Putters - Evnroll ER1V/Cameron Phantom 5x/Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider Tour Black/Ping Anser F/Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave 1,675 Posted March 11, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 11, 2010 always a good idea to have someone look at you if you feel it going sideways. It could very well be something very simple, like an alignment error... That's my hope. Look at my swing, diagnose the garbage, give me some drills for a week, and see you again next week. Wash, rinse, repeat, shoot in the 80's 1 Quote Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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