fixyurdivot Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: Just like Cast v Forged Blades vs GI walk vs ride Topics like these will keep golf forums alive Don't forget human vs. robot . Golfspy_CG2 and cnosil 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, fixyurdivot said: Don't forget human vs. robot . Yep, Or IOS vs Android cnosil and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozzit Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: I kind of hate to keep rehashing this point, but I asked the people--Fitter and R&D--at Titleist this week about the stronger lofts of today versus 5-10-15 years ago. He said it's just a matter of evolution of materials and designs, clubs 10 years ago were built with better technology than 30 years ago and lofts were adjusted at that time, it's just more of a "hot topic" these days. He said he can't speak for their competitors as to their marketing, he can only speak to Titleist design and the lofts are adjusted to keep within certain launch and spin characteristics to maintain optimal decent angles. That is a portion of the of the fitting process that has gone overlooked by many and it's as important probably more important than the spin of an iron when it comes to stopping an iron on the green. Glad you asked the Titleist fitters I'm sure they get asked that all the time or at least hear peoples whispers about it. Glad to get actual OEM feedback. I like the fact that they mentioned OPTIMAL decent angle because I would assume more loft would create steeper decent which my not be optimal. Launch and decent angle is very important factors in iron fitting. I am not a fitter or expert in the matter by any mean but I feel that the launch angle and spin in flight determine the decent angle. More backspin would cause more drag and loss of forward momentum causing steeper decent angle. Quote Driver: Ben Hogan GS53 4W: Maltby KE4 2i: Maltby KE4 FDI 4-PW: Maltby TS-1 - C-Taper 120g 50,54,58: Maltby TSW Putter: L.A.B. DF2.1 Accra Shaft 2023 Forum Testers - L.A.B. Putters Ball: Mixed prefer ProV1 or Snell Handicap: 9.2 - Best Score: 72 (E) Springdale CC, Canton NC -2022 2020 Forum Tester - Ben Hogan GS53 Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, pozzit said: Glad you asked the Titleist fitters I'm sure they get asked that all the time or at least hear peoples whispers about it. Glad to get actual OEM feedback. I like the fact that they mentioned OPTIMAL decent angle because I would assume more loft would create steeper decent which my not be optimal. Launch and decent angle is very important factors in iron fitting. I am not a fitter or expert in the matter by any mean but I feel that the launch angle and spin in flight determine the decent angle. More backspin would cause more drag and loss of forward momentum causing steeper decent angle. Yes, a lot of that is true. They also mentioned the increased speed from the newer faces and lower lofts are able to maintan the same launch windows as higher lofts. So it's all basically a puzzle and balancing act that they--the engineers spend countless hours working on---It's not just crank this down 2 degrees and lets sell it ...(not saying you were sayng that, just an observation that there is a lot more to designing clubs than just lowering the loft for more distance. MattF and cnosil 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Curious who among the forum are using a mixed bag of "standard" and "power" lofts, in which clubs, why, and how they are performing? I'm currently wanting something between my 4i and my G400 3w. I'm thinking the G410 2 or 3 crossover or possibly a G400 5w... but wonder how a G410 4i power loft might work. I doubt anyone is using that. Most using power specs are looking for the help all the way thru the bag and those not playing power specs would use a hybrid or crossover in the longer clubs. it would probably depend on loft and what the gapping is or maybe require 2 different 4is(I haven’t looked at specs) Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 40 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I doubt anyone is using that. Most using power specs are looking for the help all the way thru the bag and those not playing power specs would use a hybrid or crossover in the longer clubs. it would probably depend on loft and what the gapping is or maybe require 2 different 4is(I haven’t looked at specs) I was thinking along the lines of what @Kenny Bbrought up; that for the slower swing speed players, distances in the low iron often start to merge. The idea here would be to spread that a bit. Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: I was thinking along the lines of what @Kenny Bbrought up; that for the slower swing speed players, distances in the low iron often start to merge. The idea here would be to spread that a bit. My thought on that. if you are struggling with swing speed. Your best option on the top end of the bag is go with Hybrids vs stronger lofted irons. I know it's the case for me. I stop at the 6 iron. There would be no benefit to me to hit a 23 or even 22 degree 5 iron. I'm better off with a 24 degree hybrid in that spot. Kenny B, MattF and fixyurdivot 3 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: My thought on that. if you are struggling with swing speed. Your best option on the top end of the bag is go with Hybrids vs stronger lofted irons. I know it's the case for me. I stop at the 6 iron. There would be no benefit to me to hit a 23 or even 22 degree 5 iron. I'm better off with a 24 degree hybrid in that spot. Thanks for the advice. Finding this missing link is my winter mission while in AZ. PMookie 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 4 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: I was thinking along the lines of what @Kenny Bbrought up; that for the slower swing speed players, distances in the low iron often start to merge. The idea here would be to spread that a bit. 1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: My thought on that. if you are struggling with swing speed. Your best option on the top end of the bag is go with Hybrids vs stronger lofted irons. I know it's the case for me. I stop at the 6 iron. There would be no benefit to me to hit a 23 or even 22 degree 5 iron. I'm better off with a 24 degree hybrid in that spot. I’m with rob. Regardless of the lofts the slower the swing speed the harder to get the iron in the air. Hybrids and woods offer more launch and the ability to get the ball flying. amateurs tend to hit 5w better than 3w because of the loft giving better flight characteristics. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I’m with rob. Regardless of the lofts the slower the swing speed the harder to get the iron in the air. Hybrids and woods offer more launch and the ability to get the ball flying. amateurs tend to hit 5w better than 3w because of the loft giving better flight characteristics. And sometimes a shorter shaft IS a good thing. Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: And sometimes a shorter shaft IS a good thing. So many ways to go with that MattF and Golfspy_CG2 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 9:20 AM, fixyurdivot said: Perhaps the next big breakthrough will be "transformer" clubs... a single club that can do it all. Steve Divnick has taken care of this for you... https://www.divnickgolf.com/adjustable/ silver & black and fixyurdivot 2 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: My thought on that. if you are struggling with swing speed. Your best option on the top end of the bag is go with Hybrids vs stronger lofted irons. I know it's the case for me. I stop at the 6 iron. There would be no benefit to me to hit a 23 or even 22 degree 5 iron. I'm better off with a 24 degree hybrid in that spot. I've thought about getting the 5i in my set of Bridgestones. However, I also stop at the 6i; it's 24º. Even with my slow swing speed, I get it reasonably up in the air; the nice feature of SGI clubs. My first hybrid is 4H at 22º... little higher ball flight than the 6i though, but it doesn't go much higher than my 17º 2H. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I did something of this sort for my capstone design project in my last year of mechanical engineering, though it was basically just using moveable weights to alter launch characteristics in an iron. Never got to manufacture it though. Steve Divnick has taken care of this for you... https://www.divnickgolf.com/adjustable/Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app HardcoreLooper 1 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook DeLoft Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Last year I was playing with a couple of guys, one a good ball striker playing Titleist AP2's and another with a lower swing speed playing SGI irons with strong lofts. On a par 3, they both hit 8 iron and the guy with the SGI irons made a big deal about hitting the same club as the guy playing the AP2's. I said, "you know the loft on his 8 iron is nearly 2 clubs weaker than the loft on your 8 iron." The shorter guy said "I don't care, we hit the same club." LOL! I do believe stronger lofts are mostly about marketing. It used to be that the lowest lofted iron I could hit well was about 25 degrees. Now it's about 27 degrees and I expect in the next couple of years that will become around 29 degrees. It won't matter if the club is labeled as an 8 iron or a 5 iron, that's the limit of my old fart ability. It really doesn't matter what's stamped on the bottom of the club as long as my gaps are good. Quote 14 of the following: Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 The dissenters will say that with the stronger lofts you often end up with a 43* PW as a result and the next club up is likely a GW at 50 or 52. So they say the 7 to 8 degree difference will leave them a distance gap between those two clubs instead of the 4 to 5 degrees that everyone seems to think is gospel. The problem with that thinking...IMO only, is we have established we are talking about the average weekend casual golfer who doesn't really get into fitting and all the specs That player will not notice or care about a 2 degree gap difference between his older clubs and his newer ones. It's all a bunch of commotion about something that will at most affect 1% to 2% of the players, and those players are already educated enough to know they can do things to offset that difference if it's noticeable to them. Hey Rob, you are talking about me....LOLMy new Wilson D7’s have a 43* PW and my Cobra King Wedges ares 50*/54*/58*. I have been able to adjust for the gap by lightening up on my PW swing or choking up 1/2 inch or so. My PW is now 105-110, GW is 85-95. If I am in between I usually go with the shorter iron and just have a longer putt. So far it’s been working out pretty good. I have considered ordering the D7 GW but it’s not urgent.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpyCobra King F8(10.5*) w/ Mitdubishi Tense ck Blue Regular; 3W & 5W Cobra King F8 w/ Mitsubishi Tense ck Blue Regular shafts; Tour Edge CBX119 22* Hybrid w/Project X Evenflo Regular shaft; Wilson Staff D-7 5-PW w/UST Mamiya Recoil 460 Regular graphite shafts; Cobra King F8 Gw(50*)SW(54*)LW(58*)all w/UST Mamiya Recoil 460 ES regular shafts.Putter: Tommy Armour Impact No. 3; Bag: Cobra Ultralight Cart bag, Peaccoat Blue. sirchunksalot 1 Quote Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 if they didnt make them stronger but did make the ball go higher we would all be losing a lot of distance- it makes sense based on the science. Just takes a bit of getting used to when you would normally play a 6 iron to your fav par 3 and now its a 7 or 8. MaxEntropy 1 Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said: if they didnt make them stronger but did make the ball go higher we would all be losing a lot of distance- it makes sense based on the science. Just takes a bit of getting used to when you would normally play a 6 iron to your fav par 3 and now its a 7 or 8. Everyone ignores the size of the heads compared to decades ago and everything else in the design and are focused on some number in the bottom. Nobody is talking about club lengths being longer to go with the lofts, etc. perseveringgolfer and MaxEntropy 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, perseveringgolfer said: if they didnt make them stronger but did make the ball go higher we would all be losing a lot of distance- it makes sense based on the science. Just takes a bit of getting used to when you would normally play a 6 iron to your fav par 3 and now its a 7 or 8. This simply isn't true from my experience. There was never a more sole weighted club than the late seventies Spalding Executive. It was extremely sole weighted to have synergy with the rock hard Top Flite which was a line drive missile with regular blades. The lofts were almost still 1950s lofts but just a little bit jacked: 20º 2-iron 23º 3-iron 26º 4-iron 30º 5-iron 34º 6-iron 38º 7-iron 42º 8-iron 46º 9-iron 50º pitching wedge and a big gap to the 58º sand wedge. They were as low CG as any club made today, and there was no loss of distance whatsoever. They were howitzers. Players under social security age simply don't have the perspective to see what's happened with loft jacking because they began playing in the middle of it. Its here. There's nothing we can do about it. But don't believe the phony tech reasons, because it's all marketing, not tech. The tech is there for sure, but the sole stampings are cosmetic and marketing inspired. Clubs still play according to their lofts, not their sole numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 11/4/2019 at 9:56 AM, Golfspy_CG2 said: Yes, a lot of that is true. They also mentioned the increased speed from the newer faces and lower lofts are able to maintan the same launch windows as higher lofts. So it's all basically a puzzle and balancing act that they--the engineers spend countless hours working on---It's not just crank this down 2 degrees and lets sell it ...(not saying you were sayng that, just an observation that there is a lot more to designing clubs than just lowering the loft for more distance. ... Other than over 20 years ago when I went from one set of MB's to another set of MB's with the same specs, I have always had to adjust to new irons. Different spin, trajectory and distance. I will never understand the push back against technology improvements and that includes stronger lofts. It is what it is and you either adjust or just don't buy new clubs. ... One small irony is I played "traditional" lofts for most of my early golf career. 48* pw, 44* 9i, 40* 8i, etc. I am about to start play some new Titleist T100-S (thanks o MGS ) and their lofts are exactly the same as my old traditional lofts, just one club difference on the sole. 48* w, 44* pw, 40* 9i, etc. And this will take an adjustment from what I am playing now, as do all new clubs. I am beginning to believe this topic is a classic example of a glass of water being half full or half empty and in the case of a few curmudgeons Who Took My Damn Water? Golfspy_CG2, GaDawg, silver & black and 2 others 4 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, chisag said: I will never understand the push back against technology improvements and that includes stronger lofts. There is no pushback against the technology. None at all that I can see. The pushback is against the cosmetic stamping. They could have today's high tech models exactly as they are, but with the numbers stamped correctly. They choose not to, and you're right, we either go along with it or we play obsolete gear or we don't play at all. That doesn't mean we have to buy the phony explanations from the OEMs, though. I know from personal experience, not mere opinion, that it's all BS. If you took up the game right in the middle of all this jacking, you probably have no reason to care--I understand that. The actual fact remains, however, that it's vanity lofts, pure and simple, not science. The science is there for sure, but independent of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, RetiredBoomer said: There is no pushback against the technology. None at all that I can see. The pushback is against the cosmetic stamping. They could have today's high tech models exactly as they are, but with the numbers stamped correctly. ... Clearly someone took your water. Your argument, if I can even call it that, is you are fine with the clubs technology and how they perform but you won't buy or play new clubs because of the number or letter stamped on the sole? I am sure you don't see just how silly that is, but others here certainly do. MaxEntropy, THEZIPR23 and Golfspy_CG2 2 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, chisag said: ... Clearly someone took your water. Your argument, if I can even call it that, is you are fine with the clubs technology and how they perform but you won't buy or play new clubs because of the number or letter stamped on the sole? I am sure you don't see just how silly that is, but others here certainly do. Chi, I do buy the clubs. I have new clubs that haven't seen green grass yet because of the pandemic. The totally incorrect numbers are stamped on the soles, and I know and understand that I have to live it. It didn't stop me from buying the clubs, and there wasn't a single word in my post that would suggest that it would. Maybe you could read it again. What I did say was that the OEM excuses for it are totally BS, and I only said it because I know for a fact that it's true. You're an actor, Chi. That's great, and art is important. My job required understanding what specific language meant, recognizing BS when I saw it, and I was really, really good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 ... LOL there are no incorrect numbers, there are just numbers. Yes, acting is my main profession but I was also a PGA member, taught for 5 years and written reviews of golf clubs as well as going to the PGA Show every year injury did not prevent me from doing so. I have interviewed CEO's, Marketing and Engineering VPs and I understand it is a combination of distance sells as well as technology has a cause and effect. But in the end it is really very simple, either accept where the equipment game is and enjoy your half filled glass off water and complain on a golf forum about how OEM's took half your glass and now call it a decanter. Potato, Pahtato. Clearly we see this completely differently so I will leave you to enjoy your new incorrectly numbered irons when Covid finally lets us play again. Hit em well! Golfspy_CG2 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, chisag said: ... LOL there are no incorrect numbers, there are just numbers. Yes, acting is my main profession but I was also a PGA member, taught for 5 years and written reviews of golf clubs as well as going to the PGA Show every year injury did not prevent me from doing so. I have interviewed CEO's, Marketing and Engineering VPs and I understand it is a combination of distance sells as well as technology has a cause and effect. But in the end it is really very simple, either accept where the equipment game is and enjoy your half filled glass off water or whine and complain on a golf forum about how OEM's took half your glass and now call it a decanter. Potato, Pahtato. pozzit created a post about "jacked lofts," and I offered my opinions on the subject that "pozzit" introduced. You disagree with my opinions and I disagree with yours. I made my observations with no mention of you, however. You wanted to make a personal thing out of it, and you also attribute whining to me where no whining took place. Perhaps you might subject yourself to more specificity in your remarks rather than saying Potato, Pahtato after insulting me without cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 ... Point taken, I did not mean it personally, just addressing the issue. I apologize and removed a few words. Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 5 hours ago, chisag said: ... Other than over 20 years ago when I went from one set of MB's to another set of MB's with the same specs, I have always had to adjust to new irons. Different spin, trajectory and distance. I will never understand the push back against technology improvements and that includes stronger lofts. It is what it is and you either adjust or just don't buy new clubs. ... One small irony is I played "traditional" lofts for most of my early golf career. 48* pw, 44* 9i, 40* 8i, etc. I am about to start play some new Titleist T100-S (thanks o MGS ) and their lofts are exactly the same as my old traditional lofts, just one club difference on the sole. 48* w, 44* pw, 40* 9i, etc. And this will take an adjustment from what I am playing now, as do all new clubs. I am beginning to believe this topic is a classic example of a glass of water being half full or half empty and in the case of a few curmudgeons Who Took My Damn Water? Very well said! Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 10/17/2019 at 5:49 PM, cnosil said: Why is there no length standards, flex standards, headweight standards, shoe size standard, etc. You can say they lofts are jacked and no one can really provide a good reason why. Like you said, clubs launch higher and travel farther. Marketing is all about distance; most players won't buy clubs that go 10 yards less than their current clubs. Ultimately the number on the bottom of the club is and has always been meaningless; find the clubs that allow you to hit the ball a specific distance. If that is labelled 7, 33*, A, 150 yrd, or something else, does it really matter? Actually the number always meant somethiing eg. my set from 1985 that I still play each club is exactly 10 yards more always was always will be. Now they make these crazy 7 irons that go like a driver almost. I understand by moving weight back and bottom you get more height so they cut back loft to compensate for that, but there has to be a end someting? Real issue is the gapping between clubs seems to be inconsistent and too large eg 15+ years an often 20-30 yards for same type of clubs eg. irons. Quote Jazz woods (Driver & Hybrids), TNT Silver Eagle Irons, PW & SW, Slotline Inertia putter. TopFlite Gammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 11:18 AM, RetiredBoomer said: This simply isn't true from my experience. There was never a more sole weighted club than the late seventies Spalding Executive. It was extremely sole weighted to have synergy with the rock hard Top Flite which was a line drive missile with regular blades. The lofts were almost still 1950s lofts but just a little bit jacked: 20º 2-iron 23º 3-iron 26º 4-iron 30º 5-iron 34º 6-iron 38º 7-iron 42º 8-iron 46º 9-iron 50º pitching wedge and a big gap to the 58º sand wedge. They were as low CG as any club made today, and there was no loss of distance whatsoever. They were howitzers. Players under social security age simply don't have the perspective to see what's happened with loft jacking because they began playing in the middle of it. Its here. There's nothing we can do about it. But don't believe the phony tech reasons, because it's all marketing, not tech. The tech is there for sure, but the sole stampings are cosmetic and marketing inspired. Clubs still play according to their lofts, not their sole numbers. The Spaulding Executive and TopFlite balls were are legendary. Good point. Quote Jazz woods (Driver & Hybrids), TNT Silver Eagle Irons, PW & SW, Slotline Inertia putter. TopFlite Gammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 10/19/2019 at 6:47 PM, BaldnBroke said: We have all watched this happen... I have a set from the 1960s with the loft stamped on each club, the highest numbered iron is an 8-iron and it's 50 degrees and 34" long!! I think it makes more sense for your Pitching Wedge to be used for pitching. I like names of clubs rather than numbers, like niblick and mashie. Always thought that a modern set could be named better... For example, with lofts in brackets: Driver (9) Fairway (15) Hybrid (20) Long iron (24)... Meets the 38/24 rule Strong iron (28) Mid iron (32) Approach iron (36) Short iron (40) Strong Wedge (44) Pitching Wedge (48) Gap Wedge (52) Sand Wedge (56) Lob Wedge (60) Still has 5 wedges... But giving the other clubs names seems to soften it somehow to me? Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk Smart idea Bald. Quote Jazz woods (Driver & Hybrids), TNT Silver Eagle Irons, PW & SW, Slotline Inertia putter. TopFlite Gammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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