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Not sure of the data but the vast majority of golfers ive played with don’t get fit. They buy otr irons and just choose the flex they are used to. The older ones will drop from stiff to senior flex.

for driver, fw, hybrids is the same. They pick a loft, pick a flex and go. For hybrids it’s number for number replacement 

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17 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Not sure of the data but the vast majority of golfers ive played with don’t get fit. They buy otr irons and just choose the flex they are used to. The older ones will drop from stiff to senior flex.

for driver, fw, hybrids is the same. They pick a loft, pick a flex and go. For hybrids it’s number for number replacement 

same here.  I am just about ready to pull the trigger on a new set and I'm debating using the PGA store guys for ANY fitting advice. They are not professionals and know less than most of us here in these forums....i really don't have access to any other place to test out all the irons I want to.....just wondering how much i MAY hurt myself without a real good fitting by a professional

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Just now, Tsecor said:

same here.  I am just about ready to pull the trigger on a new set and I'm debating using the PGA store guys for ANY fitting advice. They are not professionals and know less than most of us here in these forums....i really don't have access to any other place to test out all the irons I want to.....just wondering how much i MAY hurt myself without a real good fitting by a professional

TSecor, if I may ask, when was the last time you went through a fitting and where are you located?

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1 minute ago, Berg Ryman said:

TSecor, if I may ask, when was the last time you went through a fitting and where are you located?

7 years ago. Play the CB 712 by titleist.  I live in NY about 20 min from West Point

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7 years ago. Play the CB 712 by titleist.  I live in NY about 20 min from West Point

Ah, a fellow NYer! I'm guessing making it to White Plains may be out of the question?

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Just now, Berg Ryman said:

Ah, a fellow NYer! I'm guessing making it to White Plains may be out of the question?

not out of the question but i work 10 min from a PGA superstore in NJ.

I went to a fitter in White Plains years ago and met Miura-San at an event they had there. He spoke of making Irons for Tiger Woods and a few others. The people invited treated him like a god. he was an interesting fellow and very intriguing from a craftsman standpoint. His translator only let a few questions be asked but he was there showing off new irons and I almost bought a set but they didn't feel any better or perform any better than the Titleist i ended up with from another fitter

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Just now, Tsecor said:

not out of the question but i work 10 min from a PGA superstore in NJ.

I went to a fitter in White Plains years ago and met Miura-San at an event they had there. He spoke of making Irons for Tiger Woods and a few others. The people invited treated him like a god. he was an interesting fellow and very intriguing from a craftsman standpoint. His translator only let a few questions be asked but he was there showing off new irons and I almost bought a set but they didn't feel any better or perform any better than the Titleist i ended up with from another fitter

the only reason I ask is because the White Plains Club Champion is a top 100 Golf Digest certified fitter, of course, the PGA SS in Paramus, which is where I assume you're discussing, is also a Top 100 fitting center.

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Im not sure how they rate these places as top 100 but the pga ss in paramus has kids working it and others that do not seem knowledgeable.   I would like to try a new fitter so im willing to try the white plains location.    Thanks for the help.   I will definitely check out your recommendation. 

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37 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

same here.  I am just about ready to pull the trigger on a new set and I'm debating using the PGA store guys for ANY fitting advice. They are not professionals and know less than most of us here in these forums....i really don't have access to any other place to test out all the irons I want to.....just wondering how much i MAY hurt myself without a real good fitting by a professional

I would pay for the tour van fitting experience of going to pga ss. For me I know my specs and what works so I rarely get fit for irons. I’ll test some at demo days or when I’m at the range with a couple different shafts to see what ball flight and feel I like.

Most amateurs don’t have a clue about club designs, shafts, launch characteristics and such. All they know is flex and brands. They base their decisions off of what a club looks like and if it’s to big or too small for them lols wise. 
 

the internet/forum golfer could do a self fit and get decent results from that for what their looking for. 

18 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said:

the only reason I ask is because the White Plains Club Champion is a top 100 Golf Digest certified fitter, of course, the PGA SS in Paramus, which is where I assume you're discussing, is also a Top 100 fitting center.

There are 2 type of fittings at pga ss. The general one done by their fitting staff which knowledge and experience may vary from fitter to fitter and they have the tour van experience which is done by a more experienced fitter and sectioned off from the rest of the fitting bays. Lots of times too fitting places are determined by sales numbers and not necessarily how good of a fitting is received.

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I'm sure that the majority of amateur players are never fit (other than whatever the store they buy them in offers).  Personally, I have been custom fit and found it very beneficial for my game.

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51 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

Im not sure how they rate these places as top 100

Probably by sales I'd imagine. If so that's not a good indicator IMO. Kind of makes me think of the Golf Digest Hot List. LOL

51 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Most amateurs don’t have a clue about club designs, shafts, launch characteristics and such.

Kind of like me. Ha! Even though I play custom fit and built irons I really have little interest in shafts, launch, spin, etc. etc. For me it all boils down to play-ability and what I see and feel. I don't necessarily select my irons by looks either. My last fitting ended up with me not buying the irons I thought looked best and initially wanted. I'm glad I had a experienced fitter. We both let the facts/data/results make the selection.

Also, I estimate that perhaps 3/4 or more guys I play with do not play any fitted equipment. When I've asked they'll say, "what do you mean" or... "I don't need any of that stuff."

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19 hours ago, Tsecor said:

Is there any data to show how many sets are "off the rack" standard set up vs fitted sets? Just curious how many consumers walk into a big box store or order on line without getting some kind of fitting.

I'm sure someone has that data but highly suspect the majority still buy "off the rack".  I also suspect that trend is changing as more and more current, new, and returning players get savvy about club fitting.  It's been around a long time, but only more recently in national televised ads.  That said, the dirty little secret is that one only needs to read MGS's Hit Squad and Official Tester Reviews to get the real scoop 🙂

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I would pay for the tour van fitting experience of going to pga ss. For me I know my specs and what works so I rarely get fit for irons. I’ll test some at demo days or when I’m at the range with a couple different shafts to see what ball flight and feel I like.

Most amateurs don’t have a clue about club designs, shafts, launch characteristics and such. All they know is flex and brands. They base their decisions off of what a club looks like and if it’s to big or too small for them lols wise. 
 

the internet/forum golfer could do a self fit and get decent results from that for what their looking for. 

There are 2 type of fittings at pga ss. The general one done by their fitting staff which knowledge and experience may vary from fitter to fitter and they have the tour van experience which is done by a more experienced fitter and sectioned off from the rest of the fitting bays. Lots of times too fitting places are determined by sales numbers and not necessarily how good of a fitting is received.

I wasnt aware they had a pga van experience.   Maybe ill check that out.  

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

I'm sure someone has that data but highly suspect the majority still buy "off the rack".  I also suspect that trend is changing as more and more current, new, and returning players get savvy about club fitting.  It's been around a long time, but only more recently in national televised ads.  That said, the dirty little secret is that one only needs to read MGS's Hit Squad and Official Tester Reviews to get the real scoop 🙂

You are Spot on about that part.  One of the OEM reps told me recently they are seeing doubke digit growth every year in custom orders    as such retailers are carrying less stock.   Most OEM can have a non exotic custom order out the door and in the customers hands in 7-10 days.   Therefore customers are willing to wait to get their specs vs off the rack.  Even if it's just a very small varience from store stock. 

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1 hour ago, PlaidJacket said:

Probably by sales I'd imagine. If so that's not a good indicator IMO. Kind of makes me think of the Golf Digest Hot List. LOL

Kind of like me. Ha! Even though I play custom fit and built irons I really have little interest in shafts, launch, spin, etc. etc. For me it all boils down to play-ability and what I see and feel. I don't necessarily select my irons by looks either. My last fitting ended up with me not buying the irons I thought looked best and initially wanted. I'm glad I had a experienced fitter. We both let the facts/data/results make the selection.

Also, I estimate that perhaps 3/4 or more guys I play with do not play any fitted equipment. When I've asked they'll say, "what do you mean" or... "I don't need any of that stuff."

Yeah many of the guys I pay with in my regular group have zero clue about shafts other than flex and the name on the label. They also the ink they hit the ball high and it’s nowhere near the height the pros or better players hit.

1 hour ago, Tsecor said:

I wasnt aware they had a pga van experience.   Maybe ill check that out.  

https://www.pgatoursuperstore.com/lessons-services-fittings-van/

I did this at the one in Orlando in 2015. 

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I will say that until the last few seasons, most of the guys I know have used off the rack clubs. As they have decided to update the bag, I have managed to get them to spend the time to get properly fit. I can say the results are very positive. In general, the handicaps have come down a bit and the confidence that the clubs are correct for them has gone up.

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I work part time as a fitter. Sure places like club champion may offer lots and lots of options. The problem that I see is that the average golfer (defined as someone that does not break 100) has almost no benefit to getting fit. They are not consistent enough, or good enough for a fitting to even be accurate. 

They do just as well, and save a ton of coin buying off the rack. The only exception being those are are out of the norm tall or short. 

This push to get fit is in my opinion industry driven to sell you on upgrades that most see not benefit from so that they can make huge margins. It is not till you are around at 10 handicap that a fitting really produces any kind of noticeable results. 

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18 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Yeah many of the guys I pay with in my regular group have zero clue about shafts other than flex and the name on the label. They also the ink they hit the ball high and it’s nowhere near the height the pros or better players hit.

I learned this during my fitting this past weekend. I thought I hit the ball very high, and figured I'd be looking at needing a lower launching shaft. The best shaft for me actually hit the ball higher and with more spin, yet carried identical distances. Crazy.

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24 minutes ago, edingc said:

I learned this during my fitting this past weekend. I thought I hit the ball very high, and figured I'd be looking at needing a lower launching shaft. The best shaft for me actually hit the ball higher and with more spin, yet carried identical distances. Crazy.

Yeah it’s something I learned watching pros hit. The problem with too high comes in when there’s to much spin this is when ballooning happens and is bad. 

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